Tank ownership papers?

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Hi I just got my tanks, 80cf (argon,C25) and while looking at some older threads I keep see mention of paperwork?  I got a receipt for the tanks from the place I bought them but that's it, and when I took to them to airgas today he exchanged them but all I got was another receipt for the fill. It didn't cross my mind till tonight but what keeps them from thinking they are there tanks later on? I'm sure this is a stupid question but after all I am a Noob and its been bugging me."Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine"However "lack of planning on my part may constitute an emergency on yours"
Reply:not in michigan any ways all the tanks my dad and i have we owne i have never had any one question itChuckASME Pressure Vessel welder
Reply:here, where I live , in the world famous "Napa valley" (California) (wine country"  you'll need bill of sale ,if they have a sleeve around the neck of the bottle with a company name on it . all MY bottles (i own) are called "slick sleeves" . the band around the neck has  NO   name on it . then i can exchange them with any dealer , without showing ownership .
Reply:Thanks!  I always thought a tank is a tank as long as the test is current there's no problem, but reading some posts got me second guessing myself.Another quick question, does it hurt to transport tanks(without gages) laying down?"Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine"However "lack of planning on my part may constitute an emergency on yours"
Reply:Another quick question, does it hurt to transport tanks(without gages) laying down?
Reply:the reason that you do NOT USE acetylene ,lying down -horizontally- is that if you do, acetone will come out  & maybe (probably) cause an explosion! We don't NEED that  ! after an acetylene cylinder has been horizontal, do not use it soon , i don't know the exact time it requires for safe use .
Reply:another thought on cylinders :  the "slick sleeve " cylinders are called  COC's.   that designates them as  "customer owned cylinders"
Reply:the ones we get from northeast airgas have bar codes on them..you in all reality "rent" them  ...zap!
Reply:you in all reality "rent" them
Reply:Originally Posted by Roy Hodges i don't know the exact time it requires for safe use .
Reply:Thanks for raising that question.  I bought my O2 and argon tanks many decades ago and was always nervous about the issue.  I have always gotten exchanges rather than refilling my tank 'cause that's the way they do it here.  I have asked different gas dealers several time, but never have gotten a clear answer.  One said they always know and another commented that certain company IDs are always ownership tanks, but it's still not clear to me.I just looked at my O2 and argon tanks.  Sure enough, the O2 tank has an unmarked neck ring.  But the Argon tank is embossed with, "PROPERTY OF AIR REDUCTION, INC."  Now you got me nervous, again.The only time I rented a tank was for helium.  I forgot about it for a year or two, then finally noticed it in the corner and took it in, nervous about what they would charge.  They had no record of it, but took it back with no charge.  I probably lost a deposit on the deal.  (Wish I'd just asked for a refill instead of walking in with a guilty look.)One thing that I am concerned about is what happens when you receive an older tank, nearing hydrotest time, in exchange for a newer tank?  Do you get stuck or do the dealers absorb the cost as part of doing business?  I've actually never been trapped that way, but still wonder.awrightLast edited by awright; 04-08-2006 at 03:52 PM.
Reply:I asked that last question on the test cause my new ones are good for 10 yrs and he said they don't charge for the test so.But ya one of the tanks I got has air gas on and the other doesnt, I gave 2 new ones? I think I will call so  I dont worry!  Another thing the pure argon I got was the same size as the tank I took down but the c25 was shorter, It says 80 on it but why the diff? I would have just let them fill mine but it would take about a week he said to get them back and I have to drive 45 min to get them to begin with"Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine"However "lack of planning on my part may constitute an emergency on yours"
Reply:The 125CF oxygen cylinder we have has a ring with a name on it, can't remember exactly what it says but I think it says AIRCO or AIRGAS. My Grandpaw has a receipt for the one he bought back in the early 70's and when a bottle runs out I just exchange it when I need to, and get a receipt for the new bottle. When I actually started using Grandpaw's welding stuff again, the oxygen tank that he had was probably sitting around for 10 years, it was pretty rusty and was half full. The propane tank still had a lot of gas in it, but when the oxygen tank ran out I took it and exchanged it. The guy at the welding supply center knew my Dad and he knew that he hadn't brought a tank in for a long time, but he just took it, rolled out a full one, I paid for it and got the receipt and that was it. I know it had to have been past the hydrotest date too, that's every 3 years right?RD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck1966 Lincoln SA200 Continental F162 1942 Lincoln SA200 Hercules IXB-51991 Lincoln LN25
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterthe ones we get from northeast airgas have bar codes on them..you in all reality "rent" them  ...zap!
Reply:One thing that I am concerned about is what happens when you receive an older tank, nearing hydrotest time, in exchange for a newer tank? Do you get stuck or do the dealers absorb the cost as part of doing business? I've actually never been trapped that way, but still wonder.
Reply:My school was getting rid of some tanks and let me take my pick before the truck came.  I spent a lot of time finding the nicest tanks.  Most of them had been going to sea for 20 or 30 years and were in pretty rough shape.  I don't know of any ship that carries its spare cyilnders inside, out of the weather.  I finally found one, took it in to get filled, and they gave me an old rusty one off the lot.  I was kind of sad after all of my effort, but I wasn't going to complain because they gave me a 10% student discount.As for the hydrotest, the one I picked was near its date.  I heard they charged $25 for a hydro, but I wasn't charged.The other thing that took my by suprise was the way they handled the cylinders.  You always hear all of these horror stories about tanks coming apart of valves popping off so I was being very carful with my new tanks.  I brought them to the shop, the guy hopped in my truck, and just dropped the cylinder to the ground.  There were a bunch of crescents in the asphault from the other cylinders they had dropped.  I guess shattering cylinders isn't a problem.  Maybe it was at some point, though.  My school has a bunch of argon cylinders from the early 40's that have "shatterproof" stamped near the cert dates.Last edited by 76GMC1500; 04-10-2006 at 04:03 AM.
Reply:I have airgas bottles too, that I own. The counter guy explained to me that they use two different size bottle with those that are privately owned being one size. So they alway know that they are privately owned. as far as legal ownership, that they dont care. as long as somebody paying to have refilled. So if somebody stole my bottles from my shop, there is nothing I can do about it.
Reply:two different size bottle with those that are privately owned being one size.
Reply:heya guys....sorry been away awhile.5 hrs of school a day 8 hrs of work and 2+ traveling leave little to no downtime.....not sure how txredneck does it lol....dallas traffic sucks most places caution between 45 min and 2 hrs for safe use of acetelyne after it has been laying on its side...military regs call for a minimum of 8 hrs.a lot of companies dont care about their regulators and gear(or i should say daily output is more important to em).after laying down some of the acetelene escapes from the acetone that it is stored in....can result in sucking acetone into regulators hoses and torch...thereby doing damage and deteriating hoses let alone the possible boom factor.ya also have the distinct prob of their being to much free acetelyne in the top of ur tank.That being said its up to u how soon u use ur tank after it being horizontal..just please dont use while it is lying on its side.Our job is dangerous enough without taking unneccesary risks!!!later