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hi,im an intressed kid that wants to learn about welding,ok i have some questions.witch is stronger? MIG or arc welding? i was going to learn TIG but i dont have anough money to buy one as im 13 and my dad dont want me welding (but hes gone to work for a week and i can efford a mig welder or arc hehe) id take the welder to school but if something went wrong my teacher would get the sack because we can only mig in there.also i know this sound stupid but is there an online guide or can anyone send me some pictures of how to arc ?? i have a rough idea on mig and tig but not arc  thanks alotalso are there any dangers on arcing my dad said i could get a shock from welder that could kill me... so im kinda scared.any help id be super greatfulthanks alot once again-Ryan
Reply:sorry i think i might have put this in the wrong forum if i have please move itsorry about that.-Ryan
Reply:if DAD says NOT YET  ya just might want to hold off on buying one.... and yes  you CAN BE SHOCKED. but hang in there  read books and take a class at a local welding school when of age take your time to learn before you jump in head first  but we are glad to hear that you want to learn how stick around ask questions    ya might learn something here   oh  AND WELCOME
Reply:thanks alot yeah my dad sayed no because he didnt wanna fork out 300 pounds on a tig welder i talked to him a while back and said when you turn 14 then ok, i turned 14 last week so i have some cash.i want to become an engeener or a fabrictor as it looks good fun.so i thought leanring to weld would help when i go to college. i found a cheap welder for £50 and i have some cash its arc (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product...4&r=2032&g=105)or a mig welder (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product...0&r=2029&g=105)so what welding should i look at trying to learn? im going to speak to my teacher asap there arnt any welding schools near me   so i can only realy leanr on here and a bit at schoolthanks alot for your reply-Ryanalso how badly shocked??? im going to talk to my teacher about earthing and all that before i get it i dont wanna not understand all the rules and get killed.
Reply:learn them all in school you will learn  oxy/act, acr stick, mig an ,tig  and wich it the best  is tuff call we could  open a can of worms  with that question  it depends on the job as to which is  best and glad DAD said yes and  getting shocked it does happen and will happen, but i have never died yet i would talk to your teacher or dad as to which welder ..you can weld almost any thing with a mig and the right wire and gas
Reply:yeah i just looked on miller and looked at the basics of welding... so im gonna take up mig plus its the type of weld that my school can teathc without the fear of insurance issues. thanks alot.btw how bad are the shocks??
Reply:they wake me up first thing in the morning,  not bad like from a spark plug, but  all i weld  with any more is with tig,, have thrown my filler rod across the shop
Reply:oh, ok tomorow im going to machine mart to buy a mig welder, also how to you earth? do i put a metal rod into the earth and hook the welder up to it via the jump lead?
Reply:As prop says, best you can do is go to the local welding classes. You´ll learn a lot and get some skill. After that you will have more money saved and you could go buy a nice unit when you know how to handle it . It´s awesome that you start welding at 14. You´ll be a master at a good age if you practice a lot. I started at 16 and I´m 19 now...This forum is the best source of wisdom out there  but to practice you need someone telling you and showing you the basics. Good luck and don´t loose your will to learn My Babies: HF Drill pressHF Pipe Bender3   4.5" Black and Decker angle grindersLincoln Electric PROMIG 175that´s it!
Reply:thanks for feedback
Reply:TIG, TIG, TIG,....Welding is an art and TIG welders are to us as the best paint and brushes would be to Rembrandt. If u are arc welding try this pattern from left to right;  up-left-down-left-up-left-down-left....and so on, start with a 1/4" distance of travel between each directional change then u can either increase or decrease the distance of travel depending upon your personal preference.
Reply:Originally Posted by ByrdWelderTIG, TIG, TIG,....Welding is an art and TIG welders are to us as the best paint and brushes would be to Rembrandt. If u are arc welding try this pattern from left to right;  up-left-down-left-up-left-down-left....and so on, start with a 1/4" distance of travel between each directional change then u can either increase or decrease the distance of travel depending upon your personal preference.
Reply:day I am also right the same gestrat as you. a small weld apparatus. is well for us as your enough experience have elektrodesto join looks then for a mig may or tig weld apparatusMvg niels from belgiemetal is my future
Reply:I know, kids seem to respond better when u talk to them like adults. I agree with u, but i agree with me too. =) Start with the hard stuff. You can get as close to TIG as u want with no spatter and less fumes (knowing how to TIG, it would have been cool to learn  it first. How many 14 year olds can say that!)Last edited by ByrdWelder; 09-14-2006 at 08:13 PM.
Reply:Hi Ryan.If your keen to learn TIG you may want to know this.Many of those who are good tig welders have picked up their basic manipulation ( read hand movements of the torch and electrodes) by using an oxy welder process.The Oxy acetylene welding is a near indentical process in which one substitutes the TIG arc for an Oxy Acetylene flame.Apart from the heat source the wire ,the hand positions and the travel speed are near the same.The idea is that the wire filler is dissolved (melted ) by the heat of the molten  puddle. You dip the filler wire into the the edge of the puddle. Many beginner students try to melt the filler wire rod with the flame heat.Done in that way ,what happens is that the molten metal does not have the opportunity to fuse ( blend ) properly with the parent ( or base) metal.While I am not suggesting you race out and buy an oxy set, there may be opportunity to use and learn on one at school.If you have an opportunity to learn to use the mig, grab that too, knowledge is no weight to bear. Many welders are held back because they are limited to one or two processes. I would encourage you to learn as much as you possibly can. If there is a possibility to talk to experienced welders in your area talk to them .I know that could be difficult as I suspect Kent is semi rural area.Some farmer do a lot of weld repair.When ever you can, ask questions ,lots of them. Everybody will have something to tell you.You can allways get that little bit of info that suits your needs. I have learnt lots from my own students in the manner of special little techniques and procedures for the various processes  that are not written down anywhere in the welding books.Learning is a life long thing ,it should not stop the moment you finish school or colledge.I am quite happy to respond to any questions you have,either on this forum or privately.The moderator can pass on my email address to you if its ok.CheersGrahameAussie welding instructor
Reply:Very well said, cheers to you!