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well i finally got around to getting one, money fopr me has been extremely limited so i bought the cheapest one possible while also trying to buy a good one, that will last me many years. i bought a lincoln 225 volt stick welder. i was so excited to bring it home and strike my first arc with it. after opening it i found that the power cord was a larger 3- prong plug, which we do not have in the house. my dad thought of making a pigtail and hook it up to the generator which has a 4 prong plug-in. so upon making the pigtail he said he wasn't sure how to do it since there were three wires an d4 places to put wires in. where do i go from here, i have noone to help me and i need to get this done to fix my trucks exhaust. thanks, sloan
Reply:Its 230 Volt plug. It will not work in any 120V Wall plug in. If you have a dryer at home its a 230V. If you dont have any others of those a home , you will need to wire up something. If the electrical panel is in the garage that would be easy.I think you can buy adapters that change it from the 3 to a 4 prong. I may be wrong.Last edited by Bikespot; 02-09-2009 at 10:19 PM.
Reply:Is there not any paperwork with it? I would expect that all to be explained in the manual.If you check the model plate, it will tell you that the unit requires 220v AC power, probably 35 to 45 amps. If you have a dryer which has a 220v 30 amp outlet, you could use a plug which fits that but would not be able to run the welder at full capacity without opening the circuit breaker.The 4 conductor outlet on the generator likely has both 110v and 220v available, plus a ground. Does the outlet have a number on it so we can identify positively how the wires need to be hooked up?
Reply:The MIDDLE flat prong in the four-prong receptacles is the neutral, and the one that you do not need. You can make an adapter with a NEMA 6-50R on one end, for your welder to plug into, and a proper 4-wire plug on the other side, just don't hook anything to the middle flat prong. Connect the ground to the ground, and it doesn't matter what order the two hots are connected.If a dryer, it's a NEMA 14-30, if an electric range, it's a NEMA 14-50. Large generators like on Miller and Lincoln engine driven welders usually have a NEMA 14-50 as well.
Reply:Your 120/240v generator plug's 4 poles are HOT 120v, HOT 120v, GROUND, NEUTRAL. For 240v 3-wire operation only, wire your plug to connect to both hots and the ground. Leave the nuetral disconnected. Post up the NEMA number on the generator receptacle and one of us can look up the wiring for it.On the welder, hots are typically black and red and the ground is green.If you have a 220v 3-wire dryer outlet, wire your plug with one hot on each side (flat blades) and the ground in the middle (round or u-shaped prong). 3-wire dryer outlets are sometimes NEMA 6-30R, so you would need a NEMA 6-30P plug to match it. 220v welder plugs are usually NEMA 6-50P, so to make an adaptor you would need a NEMA 6-50R receptacle on one end of your adaptor cable and a NEMA 6-30P plug on the other end to go into the dryer outlet. The NEMA number should be on the dryer receptacle. Record that number and take it with you to the store so you get the right plug for it.Or, you can skip making the adaptor cable and just remove the 6-50P plug from the welder and replace it with a 6-30P to match the dryer outlet.Last edited by DesertRider33; 02-09-2009 at 10:50 PM.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
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Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33... 3-wire dryer outlets are sometimes NEMA 6-30R...
Reply:If you are inexperienced with using a welder, and you bought this welder new and only plan on using a welder on thinner metals like exhaust pipe and such, I would suggest you take it back to where you got it and see if you can trade it for a 110 volt wire feed welder and a roll of flux core wire!That welder you have would be capable of welding exhaust pipe with say a 6013 rod and set on its lowest amp setting, but starting out the gate with it, once you do manage to get it powered up, it will take a bit of practice to get to where you could make passable welds!With a 110 volt wire feeder, you wouldn't need to worry about special wiring, you can plug it into any standard house plug, and its much easier to learn to make passable welds with, I could point you to a few good short videos on the web that would get you going in no time!But, as I stated above, it is totally possible to do what you are trying to do with this welder!I have had 2 Lincoln tomb stone welders, and both had a plug that was just like the plug on an electric stove/range rated for 50 amp, so if you have an electric range in your house, you could plug it into the same receptacle as long as the plug is the same!#1. If you don't like what I wrote, or if it offends you, then don't read it!#2. I am living life the way I see fit, if you don't like the way I'M living, tough sh**!
Reply:The dryer outlet is probably a 30amp outlet.The welder draws 50amps, if it's a "crackerbox" "tombstone" LincolnYou'll have to bite the bullet and wire up a 50amp outlet near where you plan to use the welder.It's not the end of the world, just a temporary setback. Don't give up on the welder though, they're good welders"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Trying to run a Lincoln 'tombstone' AC225 stick welder off of a generator requires a minimum of a 15,000 watt generator (because of the design of the welder and the big transformer inside the welder). http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowl...generators.aspWelding exhaust pipe with an AC225 stick welder would be challenging. Not impossible with practice and the right electrode selection and the amperage dial turned pretty much all the way down, but still challenging to do. Those machines are useful and pretty durable and all, but they are usually not a first-choice machine for working on thin gauge-thickness pipe/sheetmetal.The already mentioned wiring advice and advice on machine selection is spot on. The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammThe dryer outlet is probably a 30amp outlet.The welder draws 50amps, if it's a "crackerbox" "tombstone" LincolnYou'll have to bite the bullet and wire up a 50amp outlet near where you plan to use the welder...
Reply:I have made many of these it cost about $50 around here. I made one for my 175 HD at home its a little more but its also 30 ft long so I can reach outside. I dont think mama wants me welding in the laundry room. It is on a 30 amp breaker but I havent had any problems yet. Before long I will install a plug but this is just temporary. Attached ImagesI carry guns because cops are too heavy. .. ..-. -.-- --- ..- - .... .. -. -.- .... .- .-. -.. . -. --- ..- --. .... -.-- --- ..- -.-. .- -. ..-. .. --. ..- .-. . .- -. -.-- - .... .. -. --. --- ..- -
Reply:Why a NEMA 10-30R on that adapter?
Reply:One style for the genset- but as mentioned you need a big generator.What size is your genset? Attached ImagesLast edited by Broccoli1; 02-10-2009 at 04:05 PM.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by MAC702Why a NEMA 10-30R on that adapter?
Reply:Originally Posted by MAC702Why a NEMA 10-30R on that adapter?
Reply:This was to show him what he can build not what parts he needs. I see why you asked thanks.I carry guns because cops are too heavy. .. ..-. -.-- --- ..- - .... .. -. -.- .... .- .-. -.. . -. --- ..- --. .... -.-- --- ..- -.-. .- -. ..-. .. --. ..- .-. . .- -. -.-- - .... .. -. --. --- ..- -
Reply:Originally Posted by ed maci bought this
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammThe dryer outlet is probably a 30amp outlet.The welder draws 50amps, if it's a "crackerbox" "tombstone" LincolnYou'll have to bite the bullet and wire up a 50amp outlet near where you plan to use the welder.
Reply:Note to folks:The AC225 (aka tombstone, aka buzzbox) is supposed to go on a 50 amp circuit.The mentioned 175 MIG machine would probably be happy and just fine on a 30 amp circuit if not maxing out the machine, although the manual says to use a 40 amp breaker/fuse and #8 AWG copper wire (#10 AWG copper on the ground).But that big-ole (relatively inefficient) transformer on the tombstone has a big current draw. That's why the manual says it needs a 50 amp circuit (even though because of the duty-cycle and such it could be on 10 gauge wire if the wire length is 100 ft or less).It's in the manual(s). Note also that a home-built extension-cord/adapter with a connector box may or may not be OSHA-compliant (for commercial/industrial use). http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...ONS&p_id=20709 The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by captdave2612Because this one is used to run my air compressor off my Ranger 250 GXT. ....
Reply:Originally Posted by NiteskyMy sparkler claims to draw 50A. I tried a 30 but it always popped. Have never tripped a 40A breaker and it has been run flat out more than once. farmersamm is right.
Reply:I guess it's all a matter of built up heat in the breaker.I weld off an outdoor breaker box. Ambient(fancy) temp can be 104, but the heat inside the box can be somewhere around 120+ in the sun. Add to that the current draw from the welder, and ya got some serious heat.I started out with an old Federal box with a 30amp breaker, and that damn thing tripped every time I used the welder for any extended period. I finally got rid of it, and upgraded to a 50amp box when I had to weld a built up box beam. I literally ran non stop except for flipping the beam over to get to the other diagonal side(distortion prevention). I think I was running 1/8 rod at around 120-135amps.I suppose that a lighter breaker will "work", but if the input/output tag on the machine says 50amps, it's probably a good idea to run it on a 50amp circuit. Smaller wire in a 30amp circuit can cause the transformer to heat up faster, and possibly shorten the life. Another thing to be very careful about is the duty cycle on a tombstone. The duty cycle is up to you to adhere to. These machines are not thermally protected. You can exceed the duty cycle, the machine will still weld, but you could smoke it if you don't watch out.I believe that 100% duty cycle is at around 75amps AC. You get to runnin' 1/8 rod, and it can be possible to exceed the duty cycle at higher amps if you don't watch what you're doin'.Another thing. Don't turn the machine off between welds, if you're welding a lot, the fan cools the transformer."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:AND IF ALL ELSE FAILS, GROUND THE DAMN THING TO NEUTRALjust kidding"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I just had to open my piehole on another electrical thingFeel free to EDIT"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/dont forget about RV adapers thay are cheepthey are hi quality and will work with welders and gen.fluxthis i got that from cyberweld $70.00 i use it allthe time Attached ImagesLast edited by ed mac; 02-10-2009 at 07:27 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersamm...Smaller wire in a 30amp circuit can cause the transformer to heat up faster, and possibly shorten the life. ....
Reply:Originally Posted by FluxThisNICE!I need one of the for my TrailBlazer, where did you buy that and roughly how much was it?Thanks,Jason
Reply:Here's the one that's for the 175. If i have to crank the 175 up to high I just use the ranger any way. Attached ImagesLast edited by captdave2612; 02-11-2009 at 09:23 AM.I carry guns because cops are too heavy. .. ..-. -.-- --- ..- - .... .. -. -.- .... .- .-. -.. . -. --- ..- --. .... -.-- --- ..- -.-. .- -. ..-. .. --. ..- .-. . .- -. -.-- - .... .. -. --. --- ..- -
Reply:Originally Posted by MAC702Please explain that one to me. Don't worry about going over my head. I'm an electrician by trade.A 30A dryer circuit is typically #10 copper wire. A 50A welder circuit is very often #10 copper wire. The only difference is the overcurrent protection device since one is designed as a continuous 30A load and the other is designed as an intermittent up-to-50A load.I'm not saying a 50A circuit isn't better. I merely pointed out that a LOT of these machines in the home garage setting are run on 30A circuits with no problems because the guy in the garage usually isn't building a bridge.If someone is wiring a new circuit for a welder, yeah, give it a 50A breaker. But if you already have a dryer receptacle and need to weld something (I think this thread mentioned exhaust?) there's no reason not to just use the dryer receptacle if convenient.
Reply:Samm,You have mostly correct bits-n-pieces of info there, but you are mixing up the apples and oranges and bananas and getting fruit salad. Yes, large current through a small wire means heat.Yes, you can ruin a motor over time by using too small of a feed.They are related, but not quite the same thing.The problem with too small of a wire is two-fold. If the wire is really-really too small, it could heat up and melt (the insulation usually) and start a fire.And the second thing about too small of a wire is that the too-small wire causes a VOLTAGE DROP from the wall outlet (or other 'supply' point) to the tool/motor/whatever plugged into the other end. That means that instead of 120V or 230V getting to the device like it was designed for, maybe only 105V or 200V is getting to the device. And too low of a voltage to a motor means that the motor doesn't work right. Too low of a voltage to some other devices (like a transformer-based welder, fer instance), means that since the voltage is lower then the device draws even more current to try and get the desired power input/output.The voltage drop in the wire is a function of the wire size (and type, because those influence the resistance of the wire) and the current flow (current times resistance or I x R). And the heating of the wire is caused by the current flow and the wire's resistance (current squared times resistance or I^2 x R). Related, but not quite the same thing.And duty cycle is based on the heat build-up of the device (and the wiring). The 'off' time is a chance for the item(s) to cool off. The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:So............................... will it ruin the welder over time?I HATE THIS ELECTRICAL STUFF!!!!!!!!!!"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:You have mostly correct bits-n-pieces of info there, but you are mixing up the apples and oranges and bananas and getting fruit salad.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammSo............................... will it ruin the welder over time?...
Reply:Ok. I see what you're sayin'Oldiron2-- rooty tooty fresh and froooooootyPUBLIC NOTICE: Do not, under any circumstances, let me near anything remotely connected with electricity. I will probably burn your house down"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Rooty tooty fresh and fruity makes me think of Dennys, which makes me think of food, which makes me think I might just drive into town and pick up a gut bomb at Mickey D'sfood food food food food food.............................................. ................."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
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Reply:Samm, don't you have any chickens or ducks or tree squirrels or Hamburger/sirloin-on-the-hoof at your place? I thought farms were supposed to be mostly self-sufficient. You do have a garden, don't you? Did you know that old water heaters make good raised planters for lettuce and such? They can be used either vertically or horizontally. With gas ones, the center tube needs to be removed and with electric, the elements; the holes for those need to be welded shut, which is why this comment is allowed here.
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Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammSo............................... will it ruin the welder over time?I HATE THIS ELECTRICAL STUFF!!!!!!!!!!
Reply:Hey Farmer!Do like I do!Wire it, run your tools for a spell, stop and check everything, if nothing is getting hot or catching on fire, I figure I'm good to go. #1. If you don't like what I wrote, or if it offends you, then don't read it!#2. I am living life the way I see fit, if you don't like the way I'M living, tough sh**!
Reply:I usually get into trouble talkin' about it, but I've learned a lot from it tooI found out that I had wired all my breaker boxes wrong on one particular thread. It was a looooong conversation"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
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