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well i hesitated 30 seconds to long a couple days ago on a pair of LN-25 feeders with flux guns in great shape. the guy wanted $330 for the pair. one looked brand new. he said he bought it for a backup but didn't use it. it included a roll of wire on 1 feeder and 2 extra rolls. i went over to buy a tweco 50# rod oven like new for $50. i was looking at the feeders and the guy said another fellow was showing up to buy them. the guy was about an hour late so the seller told me if i wanted them they were mine. i should have slapped his hand with the cash before the words escaped his mouth but like a fool i went to take another look at them and while doing so the guy called and told him he was running late. so the guy told me that a promise is a mans word but if the guy flaked he would consider them mine. he called later and said the guy showed and took them. at least i got a nice rod heater. i since talked to my lws which sells lincoln and miller and they told me that the LN-25 was to much for my bobcat 225nt to push. they said the new 25 pro will barely run on a 250 amp machine.  I asked about a miller 8vs or 12vs for the bobcat and they recommended one of the smaller lincoln feeders because they are better quality, more robust and most of their buyers with millers prefer the lincoln feeders. so what do you guys say about the red or blue or which you would recommend for a bobcat 225? i myself have no experience with feeders and next to none with flux core. i would rather burn the rod but my boy is pushing for the feeder with flux core. thanks in advance......Jim225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw
Reply:I have 2 LN-25s.  You should have bought them.   ONE sells for more than that used.I can't and won't get into red or blue.  I used the LN-25 for  years.  It makes a nice mig welder.No problems since the late 80s owning 2 of them.DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I've got an LN-25.... I used them at work...the welding shop at the hall has all LN-25 pros.  I have no complaints.  I don't see any reason why you can't run an ln-25 off a bobcat 225.  You just won't be able to burn the larger wire.  I run 5/64 wire in mine, running off a ranger 250.  The feeder is capable of much more...but you don't "have" to push the limits.Lincoln Ranger 250gxtLN-25Victor OA cutting torchMilwaukee mag-drillMilwaukee 6370-21 metal saw
Reply:I run an LN-25 off any of my SA-200s.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:As soon as I can get the Bobcat from Josh, I'm planning to run my Miller Super S32P suitcase off of it. Basically it's an older version of the 8/12VS feeders. I've run it a few times of an XMT304 and been real happy with it. If I had to go new, I'd probably go with the 8VS as I really don't need the bigger spool size for what I do..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by jbmprodsi since talked to my lws which sells lincoln and miller and they told me that the LN-25 was to much for my bobcat 225nt to push. they said the new 25 pro will barely run on a 250 amp machine.
Reply:thanks for the get back guys. this is the reason i posted this because i trust the guys that have been there and done it rather then the guys that sell you what they think you should have. even though the LN-25 wouldn't be able to max out on the bobcat i figured the bobcat would run the feeder at reduced capacity. but like i said i know nothing about a feeder so i couldn't argue the point. from what i have been able to glean online it seems the LN-25 has the strongest reputation for quality and durability. i prefer to buy new but with the economy the way it is i'm seeing a lot of feeders for sale at fairly cheap prices. doubtfully won't find a deal like the one i missed though. i could asked this question on the Miller site but the vast majority of the answers would be smurf colored so i will ask it here. if you guys were looking to buy a new or even a used feeder, what feeder would you be looking at to get the best performance, convenience(full size or compact), necessary/unnecessary features that would work best with the 225 bobcat, yet still be able to step up to a bigger power source? i realize the Ln-25/25 Pro is a good choice but to broaden my search are there others i should not rule out should they come knocking on my door? sorry if this seems a waste of of anyone's effort but i'd hate to waste my $ if what i thought was a deal came along only to find i bought a design flawed pos.225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw
Reply:you could have easily doubled your money and still kept one.  I personally think the Ln-25 pro's are overrated.   The trigger hold is nice at times others its useless.    Unless your going to use the advanced process features in the pro it isn't worth the price premium at all.I have a couple of the miller sp-32's and their big downfall is the cases are shat.   soft plastic that dosent hold up half as well as the harder tougher fiber reinforced cases of the LN'sheck the 300+ amp guns for the LN's are worth atleast $150 used.Last edited by Dualie; 01-03-2012 at 10:19 PM.Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Originally Posted by Dualieyou could have easily doubled your money and still kept one.
Reply:the part about the case on the sp32's is good to know because the problem is my boy is 17 and even though i have tried to hammer equipment respect into his head would probably take the case out quick. thanks Dualie.225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw
Reply:If you want to stay true to Blue for the Bobcat, you can consider the 8VS or 12VS in the super rugged Pelican type cases.  To compare apples to apples, the LN-25 with optional contactor has a 300A @ 60% duty cycle rating whereas the 8/12VS (contactor standard) is rated 330A @ 60% duty cycle.  Used units can often be found for reasonable prices.  Throw in a Bernard Q300 gun and go to town all day long.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:The newer Pelican cased VS feeders from Miller are a lot stronger than the case on my older feeder. I haven't had the opportunity to abuse one, but I've abused a lot of pelican cases over the years even if they didn't have a feeder in side. And they are tough little cases. I think right now I have at least 12 Pelican cases in use for a variety of things to protect them from abuse..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:I remember back in the 1980s when Miller was playing catchup with Lincoln, and the S32S, and S32P came out. The pop rivets on the piano hinge would pull through the plastic case on the S32P in a day or two.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by jbmprodswell i hesitated 30 seconds to long a couple days ago on a pair of LN-25 feeders with flux guns in great shape. the guy wanted $330 for the pair. ......Jim
Reply:All I can say is YOU FORKED UP!!!  I agree with Duane---your salesman, like most salesmen, is blowin smoke up your azzBout 3 years ago I "found" 20 or so brand new LN-25's in an abandoned sea-tainer, all but one of them worked and it just needed a new motor.6 Miller Big Blue 600 Air Paks2 Miller 400D6 Lincoln LN-25's4 Miller Xtreme 12VS2 Miller Dimension 812 4 Climax BW-3000Z bore welders Hypertherm 65 and 85Bug-O Track BugPair of Welpers
Reply:Originally Posted by Stick-man    Next time I catch you snoopin over at tbone's, remind me to break your other rib!This is a toss up decision. They are both top quality, and they both have a great reputation. Structural guys in my area use nothing but Miller power sources and Lincoln LN25's.Case - The older Millers, like my Super S32P, had a flimsy case. It's not on any job sites other than mine, so it held up just fine. The LN25's case is very durable. However, now that Miller uses the Pelican cases, I think they get the point on that issue. I remember a video, I think it was here, that showed some guys in a parking lot with the LN25 and the 12VS. The Miller won the destructive test.I look for used Millers because I already have the drive rolls. But if I could get an LN25 (or two) for a great price, (like $300.00) it would be a no brainer!So, if you need one, pick the next LN25, 8VS or 12VS, that you find at a good price. You can't go wrong with ANY of these. And congrats on the 50# oven! What brand did you get?Oh and as far as suitcase feeders, they are the ONLY way to go for me. I can't see me ever purchasing an all in one unit, like a Millermatic, other than a Miller Passport. The portability is just too important, even in a shop scenerio. You can put them in a dump trailer, on top of heavy equipment, etc. As much lead you have, is as far as you can go from the power source.
Reply:Originally Posted by ExpatWelderAll I can say is YOU FORKED UP!!!  I agree with Duane---your salesman, like most salesmen, is blowin smoke up your azzBout 3 years ago I "found" 20 or so brand new LN-25's in an abandoned sea-tainer, all but one of them worked and it just needed a new motor.
Reply:Anyone know about the LN-15? the roll cage might make it tougher for my kid to screw it up.225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw
Reply:I don't know anything about the LN-15, but maybe look into the LN-23P. I had my LN-22 fall about 60-feet one day, never missed a beat! http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...roduct=K316L-1Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI don't know anything about the LN-15, but maybe look into the LN-23P. I had my LN-22 fall about 60-feet one day, never missed a beat! http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...roduct=K316L-1
Reply:I worked only one job that had LN-23s, I don't know the difference with the “P”. I don't remember a whole lot about them. The ones we used had a toggle switch in the gun, you flipped the switch for a different setting. The engine drives had CV boxes as well. We were running 5/64th NR-232.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by jbmprodswell i hesitated 30 seconds to long a couple days ago on a pair of LN-25 feeders with flux guns in great shape. the guy wanted $330
Reply:Originally Posted by jbmprodsyeah i was wondering when you were going to rub it in Expat. i'm still waiting for the 9100 you promised all us guys. but that's ok. hey Tbone, fire up the truck, grab Sticky and DSW. i'll be along shortly. i just got to find my back brace for rib support. don't forget the .50 DSW. we going Safarian.
Reply:Check out the ESAB 300avs feeder too.  I prefer it to the ln-25 I used to own.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawCheck out the ESAB 300avs feeder too.  I prefer it to the ln-25 I used to own.Originally Posted by ExpatWelderLOL---just pay the shipping and I will send you the one remaining 9100XX, it has NIB headgear but the rest of it is, um.....lets just say "needs some work"On a serious note, I stumbled on to a sea-tainer with a butt load of PowCon gear in it, looks quite old but ya never know, they were dandy machines.  There is also a heap of pipe bevelers and a weld test coupon bender, gonna have to go "shopping" some night soon!!
Reply:Probably cheaper to have him send you the Conex box with all the Powcon stuff in it. Sell the stuff off to cover the shipping and still have money left over..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by jbmprods...i will let you know the next time i sneak over to Tbones to see if he has one up for grabs so you can be sure to stay away and not catch me.
Reply:Originally Posted by tbone550How did I miss this????  Ah, well.  Between you and Sticky I don't have as much time to be trolling the 'net, because I have to keep looking out my back window to check on the shop!  At least DSW just makes fun from afar - I haven't seen hide nor hair of him around.  If you do make it into my shop while my back is turned, I wouldn't bother with the RC-12 that's hiding on a cart - instead, take the SA-200 that's all together and looks good - I only have about $700 invested in it and it has a blown engine.  The one that's in a thousand pieces but is slowly coming back together....well, don't bother that one.  I just totaled up what I've got in it right now and it's approaching $2,500.  You knuckleheads wouldn't know how to put it back together anyway!
Reply:No, I'm still waiting for Josh to give me a call to come pick up the Bobcat I'm getting from him. Figure I'll just make one trip to Va rather than several since money is tight right now and fuel isn't cheap.I do appreciate the compliment however. Always thought it was better to use guile and cunning rather than brute force for most things. .No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:you think the airlines would qualify a powcon as carry on luggage?    I love those little buggers.   If i was to happen to know someone sending a load back from Ghana of other products.  what would several of them be worth to you?Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Originally Posted by Dualieyou think the airlines would qualify a powcon as carry on luggage?    I love those little buggers.   If i was to happen to know someone sending a load back from Ghana of other products.  what would several of them be worth to you?
Reply:the way the fools at the gates are they would probably have you cuffed and stuffed before before they read past the POW to see the CON225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw