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Finally finished and got paid today But up until now, I had built lamps and picture frames for friends as gifts. Anyways I kinda stumbled this opportunity and had absolutely no idea what I was getting into. Kind of a big job to start on, but I wasn't going to pass on it. and I couldn't have asked for better clients. Since it was my first job, I had absolutely idea of how long it would actually take (~6 months of weekends and days off from my real job) and how much I should have charged for it. If you tell me what you would have charged to build it, I'll tell you what I did it for. hint: <$10/hr There is about 80 feet of railing and 45 of fence. I rolled all the rings on a HF ring roller cobbled together with a gear motor http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=44566The handrail is 2.5x9/16 solid, all of the rings are 1/4 in cold rolled round. The frames are 3/16x1 angle, 9/16 pickts, and most everything else is 2x14ga sq tube. All powdercoated and bolted together onsite. If you see something and think to yourself "that guy has no idea what he is doing", you're probably right, but let me know. I'd like to learn something. Attached ImagesLast edited by zora; 12-05-2010 at 02:00 AM.Reason: grammarars sine scientia nihil est
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Reply:looks like you did a good job to me. Now what's with the boxes on top of the little wall?My name's not Jim....
Reply:MAN!! that design is 10 kinds of cool i might have to copy that somewhere if you dont mind.looks real nice. very professional. great job.
Reply:Very nice design. I like it.
Reply:Boy, for a first payed project, you got some brass ones on ya! Beauty design. Your client got the steal of a life time and I hope they know it!Nicely done!200amp Air Liquide MIG, Hypertherm Plasma, Harris torches, Optrel helmet, Makita angle grinders, Pre-China Delta chop saw and belt sander, Miller leathers, shop made jigs etc, North- welders backpack.
Reply:very very nicein fotos 2 and 4.. where the 1/4" is welded to 1/4"..how did you weldit? im experimenting with that myself now..
Reply:Originally Posted by larpheadMAN!! that design is 10 kinds of cool i might have to copy that somewhere if you dont mind.looks real nice. very professional. great job.
Reply:If you see something and think to yourself "that guy has no idea what he is doing",
Reply:Whats the short pc on top of the house for? Is that a 3rd story deck or just for looks?
Reply:Congratulations a very nice looking job. You may not have made a lot of money per hour, however your reputation with this work will definitly rise. My guess is that you'll have more people at your door shortly looking for your skills. Again very nice work.Harold MulderMiller 211 AutosetHTP 201 Invertig with water coolerHardinge Cataract Quick Change Lathe
Reply:Your being way too humble, beautiful design, nice installation. That job will open many doors for you. I think you found your calling. Good luck .
Reply:As others have said; great job!Might be your first "real" job, but I'd wager that it won't be your last.
Reply:Very nice work! That's a sweet design!Buy American, or don't whine when you end up on the bread line.
Reply:Very nice...but now that you've got the learning curve out of the way you'll have to raise you're rates.
Reply:Wowwweeeee!I love the work, it's very visually pleasing!Was all the bending done on the HF roller?
Reply:Nice job!Is this the tool you were talknig about? I have been thinking of picking u pone of these for small rings.http://www.harborfreight.com/gear-dr...ler-36790.htmlYa gotta spend money to make money!
Reply:I thought it was this one?http://www.harborfreight.com/tubing-roller-99736.html
Reply:I'll add in my congrats on a very well done job! Your attention to details shows very clearly as well as you talent at design. I'd take a ton of picts from several angles on various days and lighting conditions for you to save in your scrap book to show to future clients. A project with this sort of detail and skill at execution will sell more jobs. If you are good friends with the clients, an inexpensive professional looking sign out front for a while would also help you get some work possibly. Also be sure to get some nice business cards made up, maybe with that rail pattern or that gate as a ghost image and give some to the client to give out if anyone asks. (I'm envious, I'd love to have a great graphic idea like that to use on my cards)Be sure and take the time to sit down soon and make a note of all the materials you needed, consumables used, time needed, material costs, any working drawings showing dimensions (so you don't have to run out and remeasure if someone else want that same thing 3 years from now), photos, detail photos of tricky areas, color used and brand (should you have to make say a matching piece for the back later or repair a damaged section in a few years if say a tree hits it) and so on and keep it in a file for reference. Usually it's the small things that you forget that adds up and kills you. I'm working on an estimate right now and looking at over $500 in "misc" items all under $10, most less than $5. All that adds up FAST and kills the profit in a project. Those couple of cans of paint, that brush, those anchor screws all add up quick and you forget those sorts of things in 3 or 4 years... Luckily for me I'm doing a very similar job right now, and I can use the numbers for time and materials to get a better handle on how to bid the next one and avoid some of the costs I'm eating in this one.Hopefully some of the guys here who do fences will either post up or PM you an idea what they'd charge for something this nice just to give you a base line to compare what something of this quality should go for. This is a big money job for this level of quality and looks..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:That's a pretty high level of awesomeness. I really like the creative use of those rings. I saw your thread on the power roller. That's pretty awesome, too.I'm going to get one of those rollers the next time it's on sale. Is it all that hard to use manually? Not as hard as the tubing roller I hope.Congratulations on such nice work.
Reply:Absolutely AWESOME! Congratulations on completing a fantastic job. Great design that just flows well and looks great. Customer (and you) should be VERY pleased.I missed your roller threads before and must say your "upgrades" are rather ingenious too. I take it you don't go for fastening anything dowm permanently though judging from an extensive use of clamps and vise-grips. MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by welderShaneNice job!Is this the tool you were talknig about? I have been thinking of picking u pone of these for small rings.http://www.harborfreight.com/gear-dr...ler-36790.html
Reply:Originally Posted by Boostinjdmlooks like you did a good job to me. Now what's with the boxes on top of the little wall?
Reply:Thanks for all the kind words, you guys are sweet. Originally Posted by larpheadMAN!! that design is 10 kinds of cool i might have to copy that somewhere if you dont mind.Very nice, looks like some stuff we have done in capital hill DC. Again VERY NICEYou have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else. Albert Einstein
Reply:I couldn't have asked for better clients
Reply:Next time charge by the ft. I will PM you what we/going rate here, typically charge to do something like that. Again looks good!You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else. Albert Einstein
Reply:You have done some fine work there Zora..You should be proud of yourself....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Pretty extensive undertaking for a 1st time. One of those "make it or break it" deals on one jog. You did great."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:That's never gonna be called a copycat! Outstanding job.Like jreynolds said, most sell by the foot, and when you have a lot of handwork in the design it goes up fast. The ornamental iron guys in the Peoria area sell panels made with rebar (cheapest option) in the $50.00 per foor range, and I think you have to paint it (or not).Matt
Reply:1 word from me. Inspiring!Lincoln Precision TIG 225Hobart Handler 175
Reply:Just a couple more pictures, The panels look pretty cool when stacked back to back. I am waiting for an opportunity to make something like that. Also I learned lots about warping, and straightening. It is unbelievable how easy those fence panels warp. Even with minimal beads and clamped to the max. Is there an easier way? I did learn how to use my rosebud though Attached ImagesLast edited by zora; 12-05-2010 at 01:23 PM.Reason: grammarars sine scientia nihil est
Reply:now I see why people say clamps and more clamps
Reply:Excellent work!If this is your 1st time out, you'll do fine.I hear you about not liking fastening to brick or stone or tile, it's always a pita.Someone said in their area $50/lin. ft is the going rate for plain ol' plain ol' rails.Same here, and let me state that this project is anything but plain ol'A Josh said if you're curious about what I'd charge pm me.Another note. It sounds like this is something you're going to try to make a living at, no?If it is, don't overlook learning about the business side of things. That's what usually gives folks trouble, not the work. (Especially if you have a knack for it, and it seems you do.)Brian LeonardAppalachian Ironworks L.L.C.434 Long Branch Rd, Marshall, NC 28753828 649 9966828 702 [email protected]
Reply:Brian, I'd hope you'd chime in on this. A lot of your stuff you have posted up was what first came to mind when I saw Zora's work..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by app-ironworksllcdon't overlook learning about the business side of things. That's what usually gives folks trouble, not the work.
Reply:Wow, not your regular ornamental iron work.You definitely have an artiistic talent as well as welding skills.Start a portfolio to show your next customer and raise your prices (x10)"The reason we are here is that we are not all there"SA 200Idealarc TM 300 300MM 200MM 25130a SpoolgunPrecision Tig 375Invertec V350 ProSC-32 CS 12 Wire FeederOxweld/Purox O/AArcAirHypertherm Powermax 85LN25
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadin fotos 2 and 4.. where the 1/4" is welded to 1/4"..how did you weldit? im experimenting with that myself now..
Reply:Awesome job zora!!http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:Nice work. Looks well planned. You were definitely up for he challenge. Check the rail after a few rains to see if it is rusting. Then touch up any spots. It will also, let you know good you powder coater is and what to watch out for in the future.
Reply:Originally Posted by zoraIt's all mig but I don't think that I understand what you are asking? But Here is a picture of the back side.
Reply:Friggin hell!! That is A LOT of clamps!! lol They go for $100 a piece for the StrongHands that he has there. Damn, clamps cost more than the job haha. Nice work btw!
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Reply:Originally Posted by DSWHe's having issues butting the 1/4" round stock together and getting pretty welds with his small machine. He's asking how you did the small rods where they meet.
Reply:Originally Posted by zoraSorry. Lots of grinding. I'll look for some pictures.
Reply:Very nice Zora . I wish I had the artistic talent to even imagine the looks of that fence, and then the patients to build it!!!!!"Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Nice. Interesting design.As a 'business', you'd go broke at that rate. At $10/hr billed gross, than take out taxes and insurance and such, you would be at around $5/hr or so.And + 1 on all those 'little' things in the job. Thay can add up PDQ. Some paint, some bolts, some washers, some grinding wheels, some flap disks, etc, etc and it can add up fast. The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Man, that is an awesome railing. Nice work!!Millermatic 135Syncrowave 250
Reply:Excellent job! I don't know what else to say.....I'm speechless...... you deserve it!!!My toys:Mobile Set Up Miller Bobcat 225NT Oxy Acetylene cutting set up Red D Arc 12VS wire feeder Spoolmate 3035 spoolgun Scratch Start TIG DCMiller Elite auto hood |
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