Have you ever Performed Welding Services, & the Company has never paid?

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Has anyone ever experienced this - You perform Welding Services for someone or some company, whether you are a Rig Welder, sub contractor by hand, or even welding gates for a farmer, and you submit your invoice as "this is what you owe me" and the person or company who owes you Money, essentially aren't in much of a hurry to pay you for your services. I have a friend, a Fellow Rig welder who was called in for an emergency shutdown to fix a couple of welds in a boiler; inconel piping; he supplied the filler & gasses. 8 days he was there; the job was finished, the company was then able to carry on with their business. He gave them his invoice, 8 days at $140/hr not sure how many hours he worked in the day, but he is yet to recieve a single payment from the company. Anyways, has anyone else experienced something such as not being paid for welding services? I think the stories would be rather interesting - Even what actions you took to get paid.You know, When I was searching google to find out what others have done in the very same situation, I found one story where a man had installed "mirrors" in a workout Gym - you know those big mirrors that the body builders stand infront of and watch how they are working out to make sure they have good form & technique? Anyways, the man was not being paid for his services, so he went out to his truck, grabbed a big chain & padlock, and wrapped it around the front doors & locked the place up. He got his money!46’ sae30047’ sa200 w/Wisconsin VF451’ shorthood56’ shorthood56’ shorthood68’ redface69 redface07’ ranger 305G13’ sae300Inconel/Hastelloy – SS – Duplex – Chrome/Carbon Tig – F3Downhand – STT/RMD – F3F4 – B Pressure
Reply:They have no  choice with me, one way or another they will pay   I'm a fair person, more than fair, but somewhere in the deal I let it be known, all kiddin aside, DONT FCK WITH ME!I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:One more good reason to have a Contractors License. The entire procedure is laid out for a situation like this.Lincoln SA200's... at least 15 - 20. They come and go. Growing partial to the "Short Hoods" in my old age. Last count on Short Hoods was 13 in possession.
Reply:The bigger the company, the longer it takes to get paid. Large companies have "Buyers" that might not even be in the same state. They won't pay anything without an invoice. He needs to make sure the person at the job site turned the invoice in to their finance department and get a point of contact and phone number. It's usually not a case of they don't want to pay it's just so difficult for them to do so.
Reply:Not getting paid is common and the sad thing is that you really can't just go throw some chains on their door.It is a civil matter not criminal so the police can not help collect money owed but they sure can lock you up for padlocking someone's business. The police have no idea if they owe you money.It's a good story though.He can try small claims court, each state has their own limit on what you can collect though.As Rdop mentioned.. How long has it been since he turned in his invoice? Bigger companies usually have a payment cycle, you miss one and you get rolled in to the next one.Last edited by Broccoli1; 10-07-2012 at 05:58 PM.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:This story about not getting paid is a "Textbook Example" of why you need a contractors license.  No License, no lien plus you are in trouble for contracting without a license.I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:If your in business, sooner or later it's going to happen, contractors license or not.
Reply:Welcome to the wonderful world of owning your own business and working for yourself...I'll agree than many large companies have certain payment schedules and many are very slow. 90 days out is not at all uncommon. I talked a few years back with one of the guys at a big construction firm in Philly that subcontracts snow removal from the city. Payment time is in excess of 6 months! The city has zero budget for snow removal for the year and the contractors have to float the money until the city does it's budget for the next year and then allots money for "overages" like snow removal. The sum that company had out on the street for that year exceeded 10 mill! I've also seen any number of mid size companies ( usually builders) who will try to sucker you in with small partial payments to get guys to keep working for them. In the end the guy working just ends up with a bigger unpaid bill in the end when he finally gets smart and quits.I've also seen any number of cheapskates out there who want to play "lets make a deal" as soon as you turn in the final bill. Then there are all sorts of excuses why they don't want to pay the agreed upon price and they want to keep trying to stretch things out. Most times they know it will cost you more to try and force them to pay and in the end even if you "win" you still loose... Even if the court finds in your favor, they can still declare bankruptcy and try to dodge paying again, or simply not pay and make you take them back to court again.I almost never do any work without at least getting materials covered up front with a deposit and make sure everything is documented in writing ( especially payment terms) so there can be as few questions and disputes later as possible. It's not always possible, but it helps..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by nadogailThis story about not getting paid is a "Textbook Example" of why you need a contractors license.  No License, no lien plus you are in trouble for contracting without a license.
Reply:Depending on which state the work was performed in the contractor or even subcontractor have certain rights and a lot of these don't require a contractors license."Liberalism is a mental disorder" Dr. Savage
Reply:Final payments, payment cycles, draws, late fees and when you place your lien should be discussed before the contract is signed.Contractor license is not always required for industrial work.If a person/business does not pay you, makes no attempt to pay you and ignores your letters, it is a criminal matter.  It will be a lot of work to get the police to do anything and they will tell you 'it's a civil matter', but it is fraud and false pretense.You will also need to do a civil suit.Cheers.  Tom
Reply:Always, always, always, get a P.O. or have them sign a work order, and get deposits on material.  I don't work with a contractor's license because I have a brick and mortar location, so I that's what I do. The bigger the company, the smaller the chance you won't get paid, but the longer you wait to get paid. The layers of red tape is incredible.Over time you can solidify your reputation, and in the coming years and skilled labor shortage, you will have the upper hand.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:I always add a disclaimer on the bottom of the invoice stating that all parts and materials remain my property until payment is made.I once returned to a job where I hadn't been paid, setup the gouger and began to remove the steel. I've never seen somebody write a cheque so fast...On big jobs get a progress payment, or half or 2/3 up front to cover you if things go sour. Working for free sucks but losing money is worse.
Reply:I went 27 years with out a hit. Then I got shorted $9412.40. That is what I call the price of an education because I learned and learned well. The next time a company took too long, I filed a mechanics lien for four times as much as they owed and sent them a letter telling them as much. Pay now and pay what you owe. Pay when the lien becomes a problem and pay four times as much. They payed right then.
Reply:On a side note- A mate of mine runs a small asphalt company. He does private jobs like driveways and car parks. He empties a drum of diesel on the tar if he doesn't get paid.
Reply:Have you considers that the company he did work for is net30 meaning he will recieve his payment 30 days after he completed his repairs one shop i do work for used this.lincoln square wave tig 175blue point mb140 mig
Reply:My day job is maintenance for a large company, our headquarters is 3 states away. While I have zero control over the billing/payment side, this is what I have learned from observing for the past 15 years- Always pay attention the net payment terms! There is a certain amount, I believe around 5k, that can be paid in full, immediately. Larger amounts go through the bean counters at the corporate offices, to be paid in either net 30(uncommon), net 60(fairly common), net 90, or net 180. I heard of a mom & pop outfit that didn't pay attention, got hit with net 180, was ready to close up because of it, was able to renogiate terms, but that is rare. The shorter payment terms require negotions and discounts for the "quick" payments.  Corporations want to hang on to their money as long as possible! Tell your friend not to be shy about calling to check the status of his invoice, it may very well be sitting on someones desk to shift costs to the next month/quarter.
Reply:What most people here do:1. Provide written Statement of Work to customer, including Terms & Conditions (which includes YOUR invoicing and payment terms, in scope work and also Exclusions - what you will NOT DO. If you do not get this signed, you are subject to the customer's payment terms which can be anything between 7 and 90 days. Very bad for your cash flow).2. Customer provides written purchase order and signed Statement of Work to YOU.3. Then and ONLY THEN, start the work.4. Upon completion of work, demand signed Customer Acceptance of work (while still on site), send this along with invoice to customer, referencing purchase order number and payment terms.If the customer then refuse to pay, there is a VERY strong case for the Office of Fair Trading and it usually only takes a threat of getting them involved to obtain payment.Anyone who cuts corners here, risk not getting paid.Last edited by Llundberg; 10-08-2012 at 12:16 AM.
Reply:I spoke with my friend again tonight, I passed on this information from these many very helpful replies.He is going to speak with a few other Welders that he knows to see what they've done in such situation. Just get your helper to grab the guys arms, and YOU "the Welder" punch him in the stomach! Left fist, right fist, left fist, right fist.. 46’ sae30047’ sa200 w/Wisconsin VF451’ shorthood56’ shorthood56’ shorthood68’ redface69 redface07’ ranger 305G13’ sae300Inconel/Hastelloy – SS – Duplex – Chrome/Carbon Tig – F3Downhand – STT/RMD – F3F4 – B Pressure
Reply:My buddies a landscape architect.  When he doesn't get paid after repeated legal attempts and requests, he writes "Phuck You" and the price they owed him on the front lawn in roundup.  It takes 2 wks to kill the grass, then the homeowner re-seeds.  The new grass is never the same shade, so it's there forever.  Just a funny way he does it.  Owning a small business, I pride myself on paying bills in a timely fashion.  The bills get paid before I take my check.  That being said, it's too busy to pay a bill when it's handed to you ASAP.   It goes in a pile with a hundred others and gets paid biweekly or weekly.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Most large companies can take from 30-60 days from the time an invoice is submitted till it gets paid. At least thats how it works in the construction side of things. Bills get sent out at the end of the month and arent paid till the end of the next month.
Reply:A guy worked for when i was a kid framed several houses for a company and the job super stole the money and hauled butt Mike called the company he did the work for and they told tough and they had there own problemsBut they had contacted other contractors to finish the housescompany's should know that contractors talk to each otherSo he went to the job site with a chainsaw one night not a house frame was standing the next day before sunup He did get paid after a long lawsuit against the company by all the contractors that did that job The bad thing is you loose money because of legal fees and he had to cover the wages for the framing crews So being a lic contractor has only some advantagesBacked my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1Not getting paid is common and the sad thing is that you really can't just go throw some chains on their door.It is a civil matter not criminal so the police can not help collect money owed but they sure can lock you up for padlocking someone's business. The police have no idea if they owe you money.It's a good story though.He can try small claims court, each state has their own limit on what you can collect though.As Rdop mentioned.. How long has it been since he turned in his invoice? Bigger companies usually have a payment cycle, you miss one and you get rolled in to the next one.
Reply:Around here our small claims court sucks and circuit cout sucks even more for collecting money. Even with contracts and leins I still have been stiffed out of more than $30K The big one filed bankrupt and the smaller ones were just not collectable. Try marking up your prices with discounts for Net 60, Net 30 with your original price being Net 15 and even more off for COD and more for CASH!!!. You will be amazed how many, even big companies go for discounts,Miller 180,Esab 300I TIG Lincoln Stick [1950's} Victor Torches, Dewalt chop saw, Enco 9x48 Mill,  48x60 home shop with Gantry crane and Pit.
Reply:I like to treat people how i'd like to be treated and i'll always trust someone until they give me a reason not to, i did a couple of weeks work for a firm a few years back and their cheque came back from the bank unpaid, took me nearly 6 months to get my money Now i have rules, New customers half up front and rest upon completion, i think in the current economic climate this is the norm, if they don't agree then the job don't get done and i've not wasted my time.Its a sad case of affairs now but you need to treat every new customer as if they won't pay you and ensure you get the initial payment upfront.Get a call to do a welding job not too long ago.  Needed it done ASAP, the other contractor could not make it for 3-4 weeks.Started within a few days, sorted out price and payment.  Did the job, no payment.Made a couple of phone calls and was a big muck around.Rocked up to the job with my 9" and was about to cut MY welds out.Payment came real quick.
Reply:I kinda like the way them boys Down Under take care of buisness. Kinda sounds like the Old West. The chains, Roundup and diesel on the asphalt made me laugh. I also like the attitude of , "If I werent already me, I wouldnt Frock with me" but in the USA, we are dealing with people who use lawyers to win the lotterey. If your not licensed and didnt illegally contract the job, you should be able to file a suit with the labor board and Better Buisness Beaureu.  If you are licensed, then you can file a lien. I think everey US state has their own version of the CRS California Revised Statutes. It is some boring but useful  literature that xplains how liens (among other stuf) work in your state. Typically, you send out a friendly pre lien notice when materials are dropped and or work performed. This should be sent certified mail. When your final invoice is sent and payment not received in reasonable time then you file a lien. The key is, send your pre lien and lien notices certified mail. It gets their attention and is documented if further action is needed for payment.I did some work for a lawyer. He paid the material cash since it had one of his offices listed for the material drop. When he didnt want to pay me, I threatend to send a complaint to the Better Buisness Buereu and a copy  to the lawyers board. His assistant told me to do what I gotta do. I waited and a couple days later received partial payment. I was supposed to get $500/day and worked 1 and a half days for a total $750. He sent me $570. I cashed the check and moved on. The problem with a lawyer is he has friends on both sides of the law like crack heads and maniac cops.  Its also sad to say, Ive had problems with evangelists. They have been the worst.
Reply:I did some work for a lawyer. He paid the material cash since it had one of his offices listed for the material drop. When he didnt want to pay me, I threatend to send a complaint to the Better Buisness Buereu and a copy to the lawyers board. His assistant told me to do what I gotta do. I waited and a couple days later received partial payment. I was supposed to get $500/day and worked 1 and a half days for a total $750. He sent me $570. I cashed the check and moved on. The problem with a lawyer is he has friends on both sides of the law like crack heads and maniac cops. Its also sad to say, Ive had problems with evangelists. They have been the worst."Dealing with lawyers is easy so long as you strike first and stay after it.  They are governed by a code of professional conduct, start with a bar complaint, then you have a leg up when he starts any litigation against you, and you claim it's harassment.  You don't want to walk away from money because it's too much work to fight for it.  It's also just a bad Way to do business.  When you do have to go to court for your money, don't dwell on the dicission if it dosen't go your way, it dosen't help productivity stewing.Cheers. Tom
Reply:TEC, you dont know this lawyer, he owns a large construction company that does work on a much larger capacity than me. I found out after the fact. He also owned a strip club, is a slum lord and uses his building to house X-convicts in a part of town that caters to hookers, crack heads and meth addicts. Also, he knows the judges and has alot more leverage within the law than I care to. The $180 I walked away from was a learning xperiance and not worth fighting with a lawyer. The threat of calling the BBB did throw a wrench in his plan to pay nothing tho I never wrote the letter. On the other hand, not all lawyers are this evil and greedy.
Reply:I have been banged a few times, wright it off as a loss at the end of the year if it is not to big, and let all the other guys know that said contractor is scum. It does not take long for guys to spread word that that or those guys are cash only or just don't work for them. In the old days you could go take a torch to the job, "repossess" their equipment, show up at their house at 2am, now it is easier to bury them with paper and call your lawyer.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:I had a guy not pay for some work (not welding work) and after a year I called him and told him I was being audited by the I.R.S. and that they wanted a list of people that owed me money. It wasn't the truth but I wanted to motivate him.  I then asked him if he really wanted to be included on that list. I had a check by the end of that week.
Reply:Good one.  Way to go.  Sometimes, people must be put in their proper places the hard way.  Glad he got the money.  I hope your friend will, too.
Reply:I knew a mason who would put a piece of glass in between a course of chimney block and flu as he went. If he was paid in full for the foundation and chimney he would drop a rock down and that was that. If not they had smoke damage.
Reply:Originally Posted by thejonn2524I knew a mason who would put a piece of glass in between a course of chimney block and flu as he went. If he was paid in full for the foundation and chimney he would drop a rock down and that was that. If not they had smoke damage.
Reply:I have kinda a funny little story - Was hired for a company as a "Rig Welder" making "Rig Welder Rate" Was supposed to go out to the field, but they asked if I could do two shop welds for Qualifiers. So, I did the 2 pipe roll Welds, after orientation then went home as they needed to be Xrayed. Came back next day in the shop there because they needed this huge "Inch" push to meet this deadline, and they had all these inches on the floor that they needed to be welded up. The foreman said that he's gonna try to keep me in the shop there for as long as he can. (Still working in the shop, making Rig Welders rate)Anyways, so finally 3 weeks later, when I licked up all the sauce and the other welders were standing around twiddling their thumbs and talking - which was very typical at that place; Surprised they even produced - Anyways, the foreman came up to me when the deadline was met and said "Oh, we screwed up on your rate! we want to keep you in the shop here but we're going to take away your rig welders rate and just lower you simply to shop wages." and he asked me "So, are you going to stick around here? or what are you thinking? and he was telling me about how others would quit over such a thing. That wanted to go back on the contract I signed - Quite honestly, if you hire a Rig Welder, I'm pretty certain that atleast the proper people hiring the guy would know how much he's being paid - I don't think he'd be hired as a rig welder making "shop employee wage??!" So I told him that I would be quitting over this and finding another place to work - because quite frankly, for Rig Rate - you are paying for my work ethic. You are paying for a guy that welds right through coffee breaks and is all go go go, welding without a single failure; all pipe is square & level, and if theirs nothing to weld, I take over the fitting table and either clean up all the fittings for every table, or start fitting up pieces cause the apprentices are just too slow and don't have the work ethic to work without stopping to talk to each other. I one time took a full hour and went to each fitting station in the shop there in the early morning, and cleaned and prepped every fitting that they had on the floor - these clowns were using a buffing wheel to clean the paint, tar & rust off the inside of the pipe, and I come in with a worn down 1/4" disk cleaning the whole pipe just like the most strict production shops, and some apprentice whose never worked any other job tells me not to grind the inside of the pipe, only to buff the weld area because its only standard size pipe! So he said "Well, i'll call and say that we may lose you - I'll see what he will say about the rate" Didn't get an answer by end of that day, so I said that I'll come in tomorrow and we'll straighten all this out. So, I show up the next day, and I see that they have a new Welder there to run one of the Companys' welding trucks, and they have 1 of the welders who was using one of the COmpany welding Trucks brought in the shop there because out on site, he had nothing to do, and that "Electrician Welder at best" who holds the stinger like its a club and burns his gloves all the time, felt that he was "too good" to pull wrenches on site there. So he's in the shop there suddenly that morning too! So where are you going to put all these guys?So the foreman was saying that the highest they'll go is $60/hr in the shop since they're taking my rig rate away from me because now I'm too be kept in the shop there - HOnestly, if I was welding for that, I would literally stop 5 minutes before every coffee break, twiddle my thumbs, then leave early for break and then extend my break times an extra 10 minutes - just like every single other worker there! Stop welding mid-root pass to go and join in on one of the conversation groups that are going on amongst the young crew. Then the foreman was saying that the person he was talking to was suggesting to drop me all the way down to "employee" wage in the shop there. Now, It dawned on me that "this company DOES NOT hire rig welders" they hire Welders to Run Company Welding Trucks - and the "OFFER" of me going to site with my Welding Truck was not even a consideration for them - Because the Company only has their "Company Welding Trucks" onsite with their company logo on the side. They hired me as a "Rig Welder" at Rig Rate, to have me weld in a shop to help meet a deadline, the want to cut my pay so that I would quit on my own accord without them having to get rid of me. since the big time Deadline was met, they decided to propose the idea of dropping my wages - all the way down to $32 bucks an hour! "Thanks for helping us make our tight Deadline! we couldn't make it without you! go away now!"46’ sae30047’ sa200 w/Wisconsin VF451’ shorthood56’ shorthood56’ shorthood68’ redface69 redface07’ ranger 305G13’ sae300Inconel/Hastelloy – SS – Duplex – Chrome/Carbon Tig – F3Downhand – STT/RMD – F3F4 – B Pressure
Reply:My motto?"People who own expensive equipment should not pi$$ off people who own cutting torches!"
Reply:Thorton, when they need you, you are a hero! When they don't need you, you are a no good rotten sum of a beach! That's life as a weldor I guess.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by ThortonI have kinda a funny little story - Was hired for a company as a "Rig Welder" making "Rig Welder Rate" Was supposed to go out to the field, but they asked if I could do two shop welds for Qualifiers. So, I did the 2 pipe roll Welds, after orientation then went home as they needed to be Xrayed. Came back next day in the shop there because they needed this huge "Inch" push to meet this deadline, and they had all these inches on the floor that they needed to be welded up. The foreman said that he's gonna try to keep me in the shop there for as long as he can. (Still working in the shop, making Rig Welders rate)Anyways, so finally 3 weeks later, when I licked up all the sauce and the other welders were standing around twiddling their thumbs and talking - which was very typical at that place; Surprised they even produced - Anyways, the foreman came up to me when the deadline was met and said "Oh, we screwed up on your rate! we want to keep you in the shop here but we're going to take away your rig welders rate and just lower you simply to shop wages." and he asked me "So, are you going to stick around here? or what are you thinking? and he was telling me about how others would quit over such a thing. That wanted to go back on the contract I signed - Quite honestly, if you hire a Rig Welder, I'm pretty certain that atleast the proper people hiring the guy would know how much he's being paid - I don't think he'd be hired as a rig welder making "shop employee wage??!" So I told him that I would be quitting over this and finding another place to work - because quite frankly, for Rig Rate - you are paying for my work ethic. You are paying for a guy that welds right through coffee breaks and is all go go go, welding without a single failure; all pipe is square & level, and if theirs nothing to weld, I take over the fitting table and either clean up all the fittings for every table, or start fitting up pieces cause the apprentices are just too slow and don't have the work ethic to work without stopping to talk to each other. I one time took a full hour and went to each fitting station in the shop there in the early morning, and cleaned and prepped every fitting that they had on the floor - these clowns were using a buffing wheel to clean the paint, tar & rust off the inside of the pipe, and I come in with a worn down 1/4" disk cleaning the whole pipe just like the most strict production shops, and some apprentice whose never worked any other job tells me not to grind the inside of the pipe, only to buff the weld area because its only standard size pipe! So he said "Well, i'll call and say that we may lose you - I'll see what he will say about the rate" Didn't get an answer by end of that day, so I said that I'll come in tomorrow and we'll straighten all this out. So, I show up the next day, and I see that they have a new Welder there to run one of the Companys' welding trucks, and they have 1 of the welders who was using one of the COmpany welding Trucks brought in the shop there because out on site, he had nothing to do, and that "Electrician Welder at best" who holds the stinger like its a club and burns his gloves all the time, felt that he was "too good" to pull wrenches on site there. So he's in the shop there suddenly that morning too! So where are you going to put all these guys?So the foreman was saying that the highest they'll go is $60/hr in the shop since they're taking my rig rate away from me because now I'm too be kept in the shop there - HOnestly, if I was welding for that, I would literally stop 5 minutes before every coffee break, twiddle my thumbs, then leave early for break and then extend my break times an extra 10 minutes - just like every single other worker there! Stop welding mid-root pass to go and join in on one of the conversation groups that are going on amongst the young crew. Then the foreman was saying that the person he was talking to was suggesting to drop me all the way down to "employee" wage in the shop there. Now, It dawned on me that "this company DOES NOT hire rig welders" they hire Welders to Run Company Welding Trucks - and the "OFFER" of me going to site with my Welding Truck was not even a consideration for them - Because the Company only has their "Company Welding Trucks" onsite with their company logo on the side. They hired me as a "Rig Welder" at Rig Rate, to have me weld in a shop to help meet a deadline, the want to cut my pay so that I would quit on my own accord without them having to get rid of me. since the big time Deadline was met, they decided to propose the idea of dropping my wages - all the way down to $32 bucks an hour! "Thanks for helping us make our tight Deadline! we couldn't make it without you! go away now!"
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPThorton, when they need you, you are a hero! When they don't need you, you are a no good rotten sum of a beach! That's life as a weldor I guess.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThortonI used to hear that from other welders - I can safely say now, I have experienced that.