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OK, so I boned it AGAIN and left the gas bottle on on my welder. Do they make guns for the Hobart Handler 210 that have an internal valve to prevent losing all your gas if you forget to turn off the tank? Also,what do you guys do for a shop shutdown procedure list? what do you check every time to make sure it's off. even if you didn't use it?There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Not that I always remember to do it in this order but I shut the gas off BEFORE turning the welder off.  Someone else here mentioned once that's their procedure as well.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:End of the day everyday. I have an order, 1st, tanks, even if I KNOW I didnt use that machine.2nd, (and at the same time) the machine power, again even if I KNOW it is off. 3rd, unplug radio and any extension cords on the way to the machine shop on the other side of the wall.4th, mill DRO and kill power at breaker5th, lathe power switch and kill power at the breaker for it and the welders and plasma on the other side. (same box)lastly, lights on the way out the door.It took longer to type this than it takes me to shut down the shop If you cant fix it with a hammer, it must be an electrical problem."Boy, everyone starts with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is empty."-Grandad circa 1990ish
Reply:Remember to turn your bottle valve all the way open too. They will leak if not fully opened.
Reply:Hang your hood on the cylinder valve.When you go to weld turn it on grab your hood and weld,when your done turn it off and hang up your hood.
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1Remember to turn your bottle valve all the way open too. They will leak if not fully opened.
Reply:They say 'pain causes change'. But pain aside, because my poor memory lets me forget just how painful it is to leave the valves open, I always do a bang up job checking for leaks when installing a new bottle. Inert and harmless or not, a little leak is like dribbling dollars on the ground. If you do a leak check on each new install it at least minimizes the loses when you do forget."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:For Oxy/Acet watch this Victor Video, I have used it and your employees should watch.http://www.weldingfix.com/Safety.htmlTwo things on your mig gas, shut done the tank at the end of the day, gas pressure should remain unless you have a leak, if you have a leak find it with some soapy water when the line has pressure.  Leaking mig or tig gas hose will aspirate air and contaminate your welds.There is 1800 to 2400 psi in most HP cylinders, use regulator portectors, and make sure your cyl are secured to a cart or a wall.I could go on, these are some basics.
Reply:It's all about developing good habits. Figure out the procedure that works for you, then make it into a habit, ALL THE TIME. If I know I'm not going weld or cut in the next 15 min the tanks are shut off. Just keep in mind how much that tank of gas cost and it'll soon be a habit.Been there, done that. Sandy also handed out some sound advice.                                              MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:.....and close main air line valve on compressor tankand turn off power to compressor.Saw a small shop come back from long weekend-air hose blown, compressor's burnt out, motor's closeto shot--NO AIR, NO COMPRESSOR, and one HELL of a power bill.Blackbird
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelson.....and close main air line valve on compressor tankand turn off power to compressor.Saw a small shop come back from long weekend-air hose blown, compressor's burnt out, motor's closeto shot--NO AIR, NO COMPRESSOR, and one HELL of a power bill.
Reply:I unplug any power tools, turn off all bottles, make sure welder, plasma, cnc table, and computer are off, shut off air dryer, close main valve at compressor tank, drain separator, and shut off power to compressor.Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk
Reply:I just have my personal shop and a MM210 but when I put a new tank on I check for leaks and fix anything I find.  My son is notorious for leaving the tank on and running it out. It took me a while to get it perfect but I do not have leaks and never even bother to turn the tank off. I leave it on all the time, even if I don't plan on being out there for a week or more.
Reply:I unplug and roll up power cords air hoses, torch hoses, and welding leads.  turn off bottles, turn off machines.  replace electrodes in oven or tubes, pull wire and store (personal stuff).  put up all tools, shovel drops, sweep, then blow with blower (then roll up the power again and put away blower).At one shop we had a parking place for every machine and an assigned rack for all rollup type cords, slings, chain, etc.  at another shop is was leave it where it lays and it was always a real mess.  Both have their benefits, but I much rather take the time to roll up and clean up especially in my own shop/garage although at the moment it isn't swept up and blown clean.  I have slag and grinding dust from the last project and some tools laying out.  but every cord, hose, and lead are always put up and bottles turned off.  Also wire stored and electrodes put away.  those things cost too much to let ruin.
Reply:I'll check argon tanks anytime I walk past them practically. As for my OAW tanks, they're much less of a nuisance and i can take a look at the gauges and see that things are right.  Since after I purge my hoses I close the valves on the torch handle again.If I am doing a lot of TIG welding, fitting up and jigging or know I'm going to take a few minutes to move things around or fiddle with what I am doing without welding.  I will shut the valve on the tank.  I've found that the gas solenoid does a ****ty job of holding the gas in.  they need to make regs with some kind of a check valve. Just turning the valve off manually here and there seems to have saved a lot of gas.  Think about it, if you are welding all day, it's about the same as falling asleep with the valve open and finding out you are dry the next day.
Reply:I have found that the flow gauge type regulators seem to leak much more than the type with the floating ball. I think they have a much higher line pressure and any leaks are compounded by the high pressure and lose a lot more gas. If you get a big puff of gas when the solenoid opens you've got excessive line pressure. Depending on how much you're losing to leakage, it may be worthwhile to invest in a separate regulator and flowmeter so you can adjust the pressure down to the lowest necessary level to minimize the losses.Also, installing a 1/4 turn ball valve on the regulator outlet would make shutting off the gas much quicker than cranking down the valve on the bottle everyday.Ian TannerKawasaki KX450 and many other fine tools
Reply:At shut down even if the days project is not done we double check all tank valves, wrap up all cords & leads, put away any tools, unplug all welders & kill breakers, sweep up & blow down shop & double check the shop later in the evening, seems like grinding sparks are worse for starting those smoldering fires than welding sparks.In regards to tank valves inert gases wide open, fuel gases 1 1/2 turns.
Reply:Originally Posted by Stick-manCorrect, but NOT on fuel cylinders.
Reply:Relax bandsaw blade.Compressor off.Drain water from compressor.All gas bottles – O/A, propane, argon, etc – off.Welders off, unplugged (in case of lightning/voltage spikes) and breakers to welder circuits off.Firewatch for 30 min after last hot operation is finished.
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelsonSaw a small shop come back from long weekend-air hose blown, compressor's burnt out, motor's closeto shot--NO AIR, NO COMPRESSOR, and one HELL of a power bill.
Reply:good idea with the 1/4 turn ball valve on the low pressure side for occasional shut off while welding.  Anyone try that?
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Not that I always remember to do it in this order but I shut the gas off BEFORE turning the welder off.  Someone else here mentioned once that's their procedure as well.
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelson.....and close main air line valve on compressor tankand turn off power to compressor.Saw a small shop come back from long weekend-air hose blown, compressor's burnt out, motor's closeto shot--NO AIR, NO COMPRESSOR, and one HELL of a power bill.
Reply:i can't believe nobody said shut the coffee pot off.  i also close all internal doors, such as office and bathroom doors and double check roll up doors even if they haven't been opened.225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw