140 Miller or 140Linclon C, 110v ?

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Greetings:Why on either one?  Pass on the tig testimonials please.The work being done is small, auto-body and motorcycle. I definitely want the variable settings on the infinite adjustment feature.Is there a significant difference in the quality of the components in the machines that use110 and 220 volt (ie Miller 211)? The more details the better as I buy quality stuff.thanksH2Last edited by How2; 03-30-2010 at 09:21 PM.
Reply:The Lincoln machines you see at Home Depot have plastic parts in critical areas around the drive motor where the wire is feed into the gun. They are even on the Lincoln website under "for retail" branding. I'd stay away from these machines as they are a cheaper version. To my knowledge, Miller has no such "retail" offering.Aside from that, its your choice between Lincoln and Miller in the 140 machines. Ive been using the 135 and now a 140 in a daily basis for 5 years. Great little machines.Hope this helps.joel
Reply:I really want tha Miller too...........i'm really really studying these 2 little machines.........i'm to tha conclusion the Red machine can do everythang the blue can , but Not Vice Versa.        thermal arc 252i  -  millermatic 350P -   miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs  -   Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:I've owned both so I'll offer my opinions for what they are worth . The Lincoln Power Mig 140C has a MUCH better drive system in it compared to the retail "T" versions available at Home Depot  and such . Aluminum and gear driven rollers vs plastic . Simple as that .The "C" version also has the continuous voltage control vs taps which is also very nice .Compared to the Miller , I much preferred the Miller . The machines are very similar as far as quality goes , but , in my experience , the Miller has a better drive system . No , it's not gear driven , but , the rollers are about twice the size as those used in the Lincoln and are held in place with a much better system ( spring loaded tool less keyway vs a VERY small Allen head screw ) . The screw kept falling out on my Lincoln and I had to Locktite it in place . The motor drive shaft was not perfectly true on the Lincoln either . The drive roller would wobble . I thought it was likely just the unit I had but on subsequent trips to the LWS , the display Lincolns had the same wobbly drive roll . Not a huge deal . but , it is what it is . The Miller had no such issues .As far as arc goes , again very similar , but , I preferred the Miller . The harder I pushed the Lincoln , the more "ragged" the arc got . The Miller was much more consistent .I am not a MIller fanboy . I've owned them all and like them all but if it were my money I'd go with the Miller .Now , if I had to buy one machine and live with it , I'd go to the 180amp , 230 volt Miller so fast it would not even be funny ( MM211 is even better ) . There is a HUGE step up in performance with no loss in bottom end performance . The gap between the Miller 180 A/S and the Lincoln Power Mig 180C was actually larger than the 140amp machines .Again , I've owned them all and these are just my opinions .Last edited by Tigster200; 03-31-2010 at 11:26 AM.Miller MM252 with Q300Hypertherm PM1000Everlast Powertig 200DXMiller Syncrowave 200
Reply:Miller 140 and the Lincoln PowerMig 140c are about equal- pick a color.Since you mentioned 240v machines that is really where you want to put your money unless there is just no way you can get 240v- I lived in an Apt. and only had access to 120v so it was a Lincoln 135 Plus for me at the time.Save up a couple more $ and get the MM211 Hobart handler 187 or a Lincoln PowerMig 180CA lot more machine but not a lot more money.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
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Reply:I been hanging around a couple  industrial sellers exclusively for welding equipment. So far this is what I've heard.Lincoln 140 C.According to one shop,parts from China, assembled in Mexico. The electrical parts are potted and can withstand being left outside for an extended time in crummy weather. The board area is in a tunnel with the fan blowing through it. The solenoid is metal. Taking the small ( passive follow?) roller wheel off I found the insert that holds it in place, is plastic. Cheezy, flimsy, dodgy stuff. The feed wheel is gear driven with a saw tooth groove for wire to lace into. The mounting plate for the wire feed is plastic, not neoprene. The flow chart for selecting metal/feed/ect. is in cuneiform, dinky font  for us older eyes. A clasp over plate screws over the feed system, looks the business.One shop said he hated the Lincoln rep and found parts were hard to come by, for the new machine. Another shop claimed the 140C was completely redesigned using an upgraded technology for the "chip". The second shop had  and used the Miller. He said he definitely preferred Lincoln. OTD is $680.Miller 140 Auto set.According to one source the unit is assembled in the US. Origin of country for the parts is not known (likely China). Internally, the solenoid is plastic. The board is raised by wood dowels and the internal electrical parts sit on a tray with a fan at the rear.  Electric parts are NOT potted. So there is no dedicated direction for the fan air flow. The design is "traditional" with the exception of the Auto Set feature.The roller drive section is mounted to  a plastic back plate. The feed wheel has 2 dedicated grooves for specific wire size.  The tracking wheel diameter is at least 2 and a half times the size of the Lincoln.The locking system for the rolling pin is all metal with a locking pin and spring. Looks like it was done right.   This drive is not gear driven nor are the wire feed grooves saw toothed. The flow chart for settings is easy to read, very old fart friendly. Cost is about the same for the  Red and Blue boy.Miller 211According to one shop the parts are identical to the 140 except for the addition for 220V gizmos. Cost  is $1020 OTD. Ebay is $980 OTD, no shipping $. So there is about a $300 spread for the 220 unit. The 220 option sounds kinda tasty but not sure about the cost.I am bummed with the plastic parts in both machines and with the Mexico issue! The sales guy would NOT let me take apart the machines to see how well things look ( hafta say I don't blame him). I guess the $ .02 question is: Which are the crucial parts?If any one has pictures of the guts of these things, that would be a good place to make a decision. Quality is easy to spot. I am not interested in the name or tradition of either machine. Things are not they way they use to be. Your knowledge would be helpfulthanksH2.