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I was called out to weld a bottling line today.  They had a new machine and I questioned how they got it unloaded because I knew the capability of their forklift and he showed me this: Attached ImagesCommon sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Whats in it? Sand or Dirt or something?
Reply:There is a board sticking out of where you can attach a hitch to support all the water in it.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:counterweight is counterweight.   we used to have an old towmotor with an extra 8" of steel plates stacked on the rear.   worked like a champ added a couple thousand pounds capacityVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:once we had a 12000 pound piece of precast that hadda be set and the crane was over the chart. used a d8 for a counterweight, had to buy the operators two cases each..piece got set just fine..
Reply:Yeah, counterweight is counterweight, but there is only so much put on a machine for a reason!!  All machines are built with an extra amount of capacity or redundancy built into them for a reason . SAFETY!!!!If that capacity is exceeded the result is FAILURE!  When that happens people get hurt or killed and property gets destroyed.  Few, if any, know what that amount is.  The chart on a crane gives a safe load at a certain boom angle. Do you know what the allowable amount of deflection is for that boom and do you know how to figure vector quantities? Resultant forces? Static and dynamic loads?   Do you know what the Law of Interaction states?There are many, many variables that go into computing the SAFE WORKING LOAD LIMITS of machinery.  Only a fool or an idiot puts his/her safety and that of others in jeopardy to get a job done without the proper equipment.  As a matter of fact, if you do and failure is a result, you will get to be familiar with them, especially if a death or bodily injury or property damage is involved. People, USE YOUR HEADS!  Don't do something stupid!  Work safely today, you'll be glad tomorrow.  Safety is free, use it generously.  Committed to safety. Those safety slogans are more than a sticker to put on a hardhat or welding hood!  Follow them and the life you save may be your own.One more thing.  If you are on a job site and pull a stupid stunt like that and it involves me or one of my buddies being put at risk, well you just put yourself at risk!Last edited by Bob the Welder; 01-12-2011 at 04:52 AM."The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government."  Teddy RooseveltAmerican by birth, Union by choice!  Boilermakers # 60America is a Union.
Reply:People do some really dumb **** with forktrucks.The last place that I worked at had a big giant fork truck that was trying to lift a granite-clad panel that was a bit too heavy.  The boss herded everyone onto the back of this thing to keep the wheels on the ground.  (8 morons..)  I just laughed, got out my cellphone out & said "I'll call 911 for you once the thing flips over".   A ton of human stupid..They got lucky & it stayed on it's wheels.Buy American, or don't whine when you end up on the bread line.
Reply:the owner of the crane i'm referring to was the operator. his son ran the d8 .  he  knew the crane , and where the real limits were. he was not an idiot or a fool. you sound like a shop steward i used to know, bobthewelder..
Reply:I worked for a company who was notorious for doing similar things.  We did that on an old Taylor Big Red, did not have an enclosed cab.  Maintenance guy was working on the overhead crane, standing in a basket, lifted up as high as it would go.  One chain broke, another chain broke, about cut him in half.  Slammed to the ground so hard he bounced out of the basket.  He was dead before he hit the ground.   The lift had been abused so much it broke under a light load.  If something good can happen from something bad...OSHA came in and fined the company for every safety violation, 2 or 300,000.  The OSHA inspector was getting a bonus from the owner, and to say the least it was a dangerous place to work.  Company instituted a safety policy, regularly inspected all equipment, got rid of all the taped up leads, welding machines (440) would be standing in water if we had a hard rain fixed that, drug policy, it was a dangerous place to work.  Accidents still happen but its a much safer place.  Sad it takes someone getting killed to make the work place safe.I still cringe if I see a fork lift being overloaded.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadthe owner of the crane i'm referring to was the operator. his son ran the d8 .  he  knew the crane , and where the real limits were. he was not an idiot or a fool. you sound like a shop steward i used to know, bobthewelder..
Reply:Wow Brainfarth last time I saw something like that done to a forklift it added days of work to my farm shop fixing the broken forklift. The added weight they lifted blew out the cylinder packings and orings, and broke the lift mechanics.    Was a very costly move for them but very profitable for meCo-Own CNC shop:Miller :1251 plasma cutter, MaxStar 700 TIG/Stick, & XMT 456 Multiprocess Welder.&  2 Hypertherm HPR260's Plasma CutterSorry I had a bad stroke but now I am back.
Reply:Ok so i have a Bobcat i own it can lift 3500lbs but if i add all the counter weights to the back that i buy from the dealer who gets them from the manufacture so i can lift 4500lbs does that mean i did it unsafe? If it could lift that much from the factory why not make the back end a little heavier from the get go. I bet you can buy an add on piece from the manufacturer of that forklift that adds weight to it all.Millermatic DVIMillermatic 251Older buzz box Cheap 120 welder
Reply:By weldbead;the owner of the crane i'm referring to was the operator. his son ran the d8 . he knew the crane , and where the real limits were. he was not an idiot or a fool.you sound like a shop steward i used to know, bobthewelder..
Reply:if the factory sells additional counter weight, be it forklift, bobcat, crane or whatever, ask the factory how much total counter weight can be on that particular machine. i'm sure they'll be happy to give you that info 'cause when lives are lost they don't want their legal a$$ hanging in the breeze.                                             mikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Sorry, I pushed the wrong button! This is a continuation of my above post.I have seen the results of equipment that has been pushed beyond its limits!  It is NOT a pretty sight!  If you are very lucky, there is no blood! Sure, sometimes machinery is forced to do more than it is designed for. Designed being the key word.  When it's done with full knowledge, that's when stupidity and/or criminal neglect come into play. I'm am glad to see that you got lucky and are still alive and well enough to repeat this story.  I just wish that you had picked up enough wisdom along the way to see the stupidity involved in it.My hat is off to the shop steward that I remind you of.  We need more like him!Oh, by the way. The fact that the idiot and the fool sold out for two cases apiece just reinforces the fact."The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government."  Teddy RooseveltAmerican by birth, Union by choice!  Boilermakers # 60America is a Union.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadthe owner of the crane i'm referring to was the operator. his son ran the d8 .  he  knew the crane , and where the real limits were. he was not an idiot or a fool. you sound like a shop steward i used to know, bobthewelder..
Reply:By landman;Ok so i have a Bobcat i own it can lift 3500lbs but if i add all the counter weights to the back that i buy from the dealer who gets them from the manufacture so i can lift 4500lbs does that mean i did it unsafe? If it could lift that much from the factory why not make the back end a little heavier from the get go. I bet you can buy an add on piece from the manufacturer of that forklift that adds weight to it all.
Reply:I work for a forklift manufacturer. I am sharing this picture with everyone tomorrow.
Reply:"The winner of the 2011 Darwin award, was a California man who worked for a local bottling company... He was involved with a bizzare forklift operation"I can see it now...Im no expert, but i wouldn't want to work around anyone who did this type of thing. Within the limits of the machine or not, it looks like a just plain stupid thing to do.[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:overloading a small machine like this looks harmless, but the chain of events that follow a machine failure are almost always fatal or at the very least, disabling. ralph
Reply:The things that are done with forklifts. Not the place to work. Attached ImagesLast edited by Quick; 01-12-2011 at 08:09 PM.Reason: wrong pic
Reply:That's one way to get the job done.
Reply:I've seen and heard of a number of accidents involving Forklifts, but most of them have been because someone wasn't paying attention or was Screwing around.  I've seen few that were because the things were over-loaded...  The tolerance of many of the Fork-Lifts are very 'understated' and they can take incredible additional 'stresses'.  Having said that, I've seen UNBELIEVABLE neglect when it comes to these things and I think that's the 'real' reason why they fail.Worst accident I ever saw (after the incident) was a guy who just wasn't paying attention and maybe driving a bit too fast.  As he was rounding the corner at a Far End of the Warehouse (300,000 Sq. Ft. Grocery Supply Hub..) he accidentally knocked the footing out of a MASSIVE shelving unit and was killed Instantly when 'thousands' of 'Soup Cans' rained down on top of him...  Horribly Gory too as he was 'literally' squished to 'pieces'.... Not a nice way to go.Miller Diversion 165120 amp Buzz BoxVictor Oxy/Ace Oxy/LPGSmith "Little" Oxy/LPGHypertherm Powermax 30Lot's of Misc. tools n' crap....
Reply:I have see number of things surrounding me during my duty time..I am very familiar with these things and love these things very much..Los Angeles Fitness Trainer
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadthe owner of the crane i'm referring to was the operator. his son ran the d8 .  he  knew the crane , and where the real limits were. he was not an idiot or a fool. you sound like a shop steward i used to know, bobthewelder..I was on a movie standby years ago for the movie Training Day ... I watched them tip over a 15 ton crane with a multi million dollar camera on it.   not to mention it crashed through several apartments.   fortunately there were no injuries but the execs were there in a hurry handing out compensation checks to the apartment residents.   being this was in south central LA, the victims happily took the cash and signed the waivers not to sue.      when they resumed shooting they had a 60 ton crane for the same job.  That was operator error plain and simple.   If you know its going to exceed the working limits u got to refuse to do it and tell the director he needs to get a bigger crane... that accident cost the production company about 6 million in equipment, compensation and lost filming time..Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Its never nice when accidents happen, and when they happen to folks you know, you never forget 'em either.  I know of a guy got blown 15 feet in the air when adding air to a heavy truck tire, split ring came off.  He landed bad, broke his spinal cord.  He'll never, ever walk again.  He was 19 or 20 at the time, just starting off a new family.Another incident involved heavy equipment recovery operations.  Weird deal. involving vibration and wet sand.  (Wet sand has different angle of repose than does dry sand...)  1" nylon line stretched to beyond the max, snapped in two, took the kid's entire face off.  Off and gone forever.  I never did hear if they were able to restore partial vision.. As far as I know he is permanently blinded.both of those incidents affect my current thoughts even though the accidents occurred decades ago... Please lets just be careful out there.
Reply:Ive seen equipment left idling on unstable surfaces nearly sink out of site when the wet stuff they're on starts to move. Saw a tractor once left running in a wet field, when the guy came back out to it all that you could see was the top of the seat and the hood. Had a crew nearly lose a D8 and 2 excavators over a lunch hour when they left them running in a muskeg swamp. Took over a week to extract the equipment
Reply:Used to work at a shop doing structural fab - big trusses etc.  The parking lot was tiny so people parked all over the yard and the forklift drivers were expected to navigate around all these cars, in a dirt yard.We were using 15 and 25 ton hysters sometimes two or three of them to a beam (72 foot long W18X670) carried high enough to go OVER all the cars, the office, other parked lifts etc.There is no sound quite like the sound of 50 thousand pounds falling from 20+ foot up in the air and thankfully hitting dirt.  ~it was about then I turned in my walking papers and made some calls to osha.When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives.
Reply:Originally Posted by QuickThe things that are done with forklifts. Not the place to work.
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Reply:Do they make those Garbage Bins in hot pink?Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadthe owner of the crane i'm referring to was the operator. his son ran the d8 .  he  knew the crane , and where the real limits were. he was not an idiot or a fool. you sound like a shop steward i used to know, bobthewelder..
Reply:Originally Posted by landmanOk so i have a Bobcat i own it can lift 3500lbs but if i add all the counter weights to the back that i buy from the dealer who gets them from the manufacture so i can lift 4500lbs does that mean i did it unsafe? If it could lift that much from the factory why not make the back end a little heavier from the get go. I bet you can buy an add on piece from the manufacturer of that forklift that adds weight to it all.
Reply:There is a fine line between drastic times calling for drastic measures and being stuipid. Yes I have driven a loader with the back wheels off the ground to move something but you keep the load low and everyone out of the way. Will I work under a unsupported load that is close to the limit no way. Local guys bought a crane decided to change a tire on planter with it being it was there. Decided to lift end of planter with crane without outriggers out When they were done they had to fix tire planter and crane after tipping it onto planter. Common sense goes a long way. Too many people dont have that wheather it was traded for brass balls or just misplaced.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer