Do my welds look okay?

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I just need some re assurance, I'm really critical and get stressed about perfection. I usually weld stick at work but have ran mig a few times. My buddy let me borrow his Mig welder to weld in a "sports cage" not "roll cage" difference being mine isn't meant for an inspector to say its absolutely perfect. I just want re assurance that this "should" hold up in a roll over and be safer than my factory jeep cage. Im mainly concerned about the 2x4 cross member that is 3/16s thick, there was a gap that was about a half inch thick that i closed and than ran a reenforcement layer over. I just want some opinions. Im still going to clean them up, but this is what i have to show you guys Attached Images
Reply:that bottom pic is my biggest concern, and yes the paint was grinded, the bottom pic was where i had a half inch gap to fill, keep in mind there was no porosity or undercut
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4estthat bottom pic is my biggest concern, and yes the paint was grinded, the bottom pic was where i had a half inch gap to fill, keep in mind there was no porosity or undercut
Reply:yeah i let my buddy cut it and he messed it up, ugh so i had a gap
Reply:Looks like you've made your jeep more dangerous than before.  Odds are in a crash that contraption will come apart.  Being a few inches from your head youd be grateful to survive.Syncrowave 300Maxtron 450, S-52E, 30A
Reply:man ... you got some big birds around.. covering 1/2 gap is no easy task.. what you feed them?--------------------------------------------------------------www.becmotors.nlyup, I quit welding.. joined welder anonymous
Reply:At Donoharm:  Those may be Mylormoore birds.  They are actually not a very big bird.  Legend has it that they eat only a few seeds daily but can then chit a mile or more.  They typically were thought to only roost above clean cars but I think they can be found elsewhere.
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4estyeah i let my buddy cut it and he messed it up, ugh so i had a gap
Reply:I see cold lap, also adding more "reinforcement" does not always do more for you. In some case extra reinforcement can be detrimental. I think you should leave that type of work to someone who knows what they are doing.Miller Maxstar 200 SDPiperliner #10 Gold
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4estI'm really critical and get stressed about perfection.
Reply:it really is that bad? so you say hack it out and start over? or could i grind them down and re weld?
Reply:Personally I would have slugged it before trying to fill that big of gap.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:yeah if i could go back in time i would lol. i mean is there any way i can test this? I'm over exaggerating and a half an inch, probably about half that
Reply:Still even a 1/4" gap is too much..
Reply:1/4-inch gap is very doable, especially with a Mig welder. I'd scrap it, just for the looks.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I will try to not sound overly critcal. You said you normally use a stick welder, but did this with a mig?  Is this how your stick welding looks?You want to know if there is a way to test the result because you are unsure of your welds.  If you are unsure or your own welds, then so am I.  You should cut it out and redo it.Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:i used mig because i don't have a stick machine and my buddy has a mig machine, i mean I've passed x ray butt tests with mig and stick processes as well as flux core, however i didn't use a ceramic backing or permanent backing in this case. I used .023 mig wire with shielding gas for these welds, i mean worst case scenario, i can cut the middle out and re weld it with less of a gap and put a similar bead to what i did on top, Ive only been welding a year, but like i said I weld at a shipyard, they just don't train us on weld strength and what not, its pretty much, here go weld and pass the test
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4est... I'm over exaggerating and a half an inch, probably about half that
Reply:lol it unbolts fine and yeah it was about a half an inch, i filled it and just butt welded the reenforcement too big obviously, I could always order a new 2x4 for 30 bucks and re cut it and then weld it, not a big deal i just would rather not obviously
Reply:i mean how do the top welds look?
Reply:what if i grinded it down flush to sound metal and then welded a 5/16th bead over it? i just want to find the best solution, i appreciate the help and criticism as well. obviously i don't want this crushing my head if my jeep does flip, I'm just wondering if i re weld it with less of a gap why that would make that scenario less likely?
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4esti mean how do the top welds look?
Reply:i mean would grinding everything sound and then re welding help? I pretty much just washed everything to make the puddle big enough to weld. I understand it doesn't look awesome, but what makes it look ****ty?  What defects do you see in it?
Reply:should i grind it down flush?
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4estshould i grind it down flush?Originally Posted by Steven4esti used mig because i don't have a stick machine and my buddy has a mig machine, i mean I've passed x ray butt tests with mig and stick processes as well as flux core, however i didn't use a ceramic backing or permanent backing in this case. I used .023 mig wire with shielding gas for these welds, i mean worst case scenario, i can cut the middle out and re weld it with less of a gap and put a similar bead to what i did on top, Ive only been welding a year, but like i said I weld at a shipyard, they just don't train us on weld strength and what not, its pretty much, here go weld and pass the test
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4estshould i grind it down flush?
Reply:Shipyard welder, Really ???REAL TRUCKS DON'T HAVE SPARK PLUGS
Reply:Unless you are not confident in your ability to lay down structurally sound welds you shouldn't be welding something like this..Miller Maxstar 200 SDPiperliner #10 Gold
Reply:I think you need to roll test it . Put a crash test dummy and remote roll it. Then we'll see.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerweldAt Donoharm:  Those may be Mylormoore birds.  They are actually not a very big bird.  Legend has it that they eat only a few seeds daily but can then chit a mile or more.  They typically were thought to only roost above clean cars but I think they can be found elsewhere.
Reply:Ha!Seriously; what's your goal in all this? Is it to make your Jeep "awesome" or to serve some purpose?Syncrowave 300Maxtron 450, S-52E, 30A
Reply:was trying to strengthen the ****ty stock roll bar lol guess ill cut it out and stick weld it or big it
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4estwas trying to strengthen the ****ty stock roll bar lol guess ill cut it out and stick weld it or big it
Reply:It does not look like you used enough heat to penetrate and get good adhesion of both parts. I would grind it all off then practice on a couple scrap pieces. Then show us. We can see if your doing better that way and give more help if needed. Like the Eskimo said in the dead of night turn the heat up dammit!Would I ride in that the way it is?  Nope!
Reply:its too critical for you to take an opinion on the net from someone who may  or may not be right.get an eight pound hammer and hit it as many times as you can., and see if it breaks..scientific testing..
Reply:Destructive testing on the end product? Yeah that'll work!  Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:8lb hammer didn't budge it, I think a lot of you scared the hell out of me, gonna buy a tig welder and re do it this weekend, ill post those results
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadits too critical for you to take an opinion on the net from someone who may  or may not be right.get an eight pound hammer and hit it as many times as you can., and see if it breaks..scientific testing..
Reply:Lol I didn't really take a hammer to it haha
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4est8lb hammer didn't budge it, I think a lot of you scared the hell out of me, gonna buy a tig welder and re do it this weekend, ill post those results
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Maybe another few hours at this rate........
Reply:Originally Posted by Steven4esti mean would grinding everything sound and then re welding help? I pretty much just washed everything to make the puddle big enough to weld. I understand it doesn't look awesome, but what makes it look ****ty?  What defects do you see in it?
Reply:The steel pieces need to fit tight, that's where the strength comes from. Welding any gap shut isn't strong enough to hold in a roll over.I wouldn't trust it anyway, JMOMiller 252Miller Bobcat 225Lincoln MigPak 1801959 Hyster forkliftHarris OA torch
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Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeTheyre all jealous, your a natural
Reply:Originally Posted by joshuabardwellListen, friend, from one argumentative n00b to another: this is the point where you shut up and listen to the folks who are trying to help you. I know, I know. You want to argue. I'm the same. That's how I know what you need to do here. What you're doing doesn't sound to you like it's arguing, but it is. The way you're going, you're never going to learn anything. You're just going to keep making whatever mediocre to ****ty welds you're currently making for the rest of your life.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabMy opinion?Like dog $hit. Just being honest.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveIf this was a competition - you'd be in the top three for sure
Reply:Originally Posted by joshuabardwellHey, look, at least I'm trying here!