new to welding and i need 6010 advice

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I bought a Lincoln AC/DC 125/225 "buzzbox" welder a few weeks ago. I've been running 6010 and 7018 beads on scrap steel plate. I think I have the machine set right but when I try to run 6010 vertical up i'm having a hard time. Should I do the inverted T technique or just keep nice tight side to sides as I run uphill? I am having better luck with the 7018 uphill than the 6010.I have pics of some beads I ran in the flat position.
Reply:here are 2 plates joined together at a right angle and I welded in the flat position. I used a 6010 root bead, 2 7018 stringer beads, and a 7018 weave on top . I am still getting used to watching both the puddle and where i'm going so sometimes I don't make perfectly straight beads. id appreciate any comments and criticism
Reply:Actually they're not to bad. Some of them look a little cold, or you could speed up your travel speed some. The last two, are you doing a figure eight motion?Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I tried some whip and pause with 6010 5p and this is what I came out with...here are some pics of 6010 uphill on plate... still having some problems
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPActually they're not to bad. Some of them look a little cold, or you could speed up your travel speed some. The last two, are you doing a figure eight motion?
Reply:Some of them look really good! It's hard for anybody to make a weld look good on a flat plate. Do some fillets, lap joints, or groove welds. Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:thanks CEP I appreciate the encouragement. i'll definitely start trying some different kinds of joints to become more familiar with how to weld in different positions. I just started a few weeks ago but im addicted to burning rods and I wish I would've started years ago. Ive tried pipe before but its pretty difficult. One day ill get my pipe welds looking like yours and pass that 6g certification!  ill keep posting the different things I try so ya can lmk what im doing right or wrong
Reply:Other than a few pipe tests, few structural pipe braces, and a whole lot of hand rail, I never welded much pipe. UA members get bent out of shape when other unions weld pipe! Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:the reason why you can not weld  so good with 6010 because it is a flietweld electrode .you better can welding with 7018 this is suitable for welding bottom upwards .E6010 Type of Covering : High cellulose sodium , Type of current dcep
Reply:Your doing great, 6010 is a fast freeze rod, don't listen to the guy above me. Sounds like he's reading the MSDS for a hot dog. If you look back at your pics, when you had a straight edge to follow you killed it! But then you started to drift around after that but still not that bad. Whip and pause and being spot on accurate just comes with practice and seems your well on your way to nailing it down!I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeYour doing great, 6010 is a fast freeze rod, don't listen to the guy above me. Sounds like he's reading the MSDS for a hot dog. If you look back at your pics, when you had a straight edge to follow you killed it! But then you started to drift around after that but still not that bad. Whip and pause and being spot on accurate just comes with practice and seems your well on your way to nailing it down!
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60Mister sorry but what are you talking about , these electrodes are used in pipeline for welding from top to bottom .
Reply:When you weld with such electrodes then you should use high power (ampere )
Reply:To make a welder qualification you 're not going to weld cellulose and basic electrode for welding a test piece becaus this is not correct
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60To make a welder qualification you 're not going to weld cellulose and basic electrode for welding a test piece becaus this is not correct
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60To make a welder qualification you 're not going to weld cellulose and basic electrode for welding a test piece becaus this is not correct
Reply:The reason that you are having trouble with 6010 uphill is that it is primarily used downhill. There is good reason for it, it works very well downhill. Work on that first and when you have that down, then try going uphill with it. It is a fairly rare event to have to test uphill, on plate,with 6010, uphill. Not saying it isn't, or can't be done, just saying it is not common. So unless you are prepping for a very specific test, then learn how to use the rod in the position that it excels in.
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60To make a welder qualification you 're not going to weld cellulose and basic electrode for welding a test piece becaus this is not correct
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingI have a few funny papers that were 6010 specific, both AWS and ASME
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerThe reason that you are having trouble with 6010 uphill is that it is primarily used downhill. There is good reason for it, it works very well downhill. Work on that first and when you have that down, then try going uphill with it. It is a fairly rare event to have to test uphill, on plate,with 6010, uphill. Not saying it isn't, or can't be done, just saying it is not common. So unless you are prepping for a very specific test, then learn how to use the rod in the position that it excels in.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPNo you don't! Didn't you read his posts? It's not correct!
Reply:weldermike thanks man I try to practice whenever I can. 6010 def can be run uphill I see guys do it all the time on pipe. I think 6010 can be run up and down, where 7018 only runs up. appreciatethe encouragement weldermike. people don't know how hard it is to weld until they try it. some of the welds I see guys make should be considered a form of artwork theyre so good
Reply:@TozziWelding ,your certificates valid for the upward and downward welding , so you're a super welder . Last edited by denlow60; 09-30-2013 at 08:07 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerThe reason that you are having trouble with 6010 uphill is that it is primarily used downhill. There is good reason for it, it works very well downhill. Work on that first and when you have that down, then try going uphill with it. It is a fairly rare event to have to test uphill, on plate,with 6010, uphill. Not saying it isn't, or can't be done, just saying it is not common. So unless you are prepping for a very specific test, then learn how to use the rod in the position that it excels in.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPNo you don't! Didn't you read his posts? It's not correct!Originally Posted by denlow60@CEP ,You may lach , but do you have knowledge to use the electrode
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60@CEP ,You may lach , but do you have knowledge to use the electrodeE 6010 is one of the weakest electrode : yield strength is 48 ksp / 330 MPa .
Reply:Originally Posted by joshuabardwellKids these days. No respect. I'm thinking of how Bugs used to say, "He don't know me very well, do he?"Good thing I only test stuff in PSI, then. It'll hold 47,000 of those!
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPWell lets put it this way. I fed my family a many year burning rod / wire. So I guess you could say I fooled a lot of companies, for a lot of years. Making a good income with this trade is all I cared about.
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60330 MPa is 49.311 PSI
Reply:Denlow, how old are you if you don't mind me asking. And if even if you do mind I really don't give a sh!t If you plan on spending a lot of time here like most of us do, your coming across in a bad way. There's a lot of seasoned talent here and it would benefit you too just listen sometimes. Not one person here knows everything about welding, and what we love about it, is after years of lifetimes everybody still learns something almost everyday. So relax and enjoy and stop fighting. Trying to sound smart is making you look stupid.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60I 'm happy for you that you 've done this , but do not take me for a ride .because you do not know me and you do not know what I'm doing
Reply:Originally Posted by joshuabardwellWell, I don't know much, but Mr. Google disagrees with you:https://www.google.com/search?q=330+...hrome&ie=UTF-8Me? I'm nobody. But CEP, there? The guy you're trying to "educate" on 6010, and how welding is done in the real world? He earned a living as a welder his whole life, and now that he's retired, he spends a lot of time here on WW and elsewhere helping folks like me become better welders. He sure as heck doesn't need me to stick up for him, but since you asked... that's who I was referring to in the quote. If you had been on this forum for more than five minutes, and had been paying any attention, you would know who you were talking to. Next you'll be telling Zap what coin to include in his photos.
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60So CEP has the right to belittle someone , that's what I want to know .
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeDenlow, how old are you if you don't mind me asking. And if even if you do mind I really don't give a sh!t If you plan on spending a lot of time here like most of us do, your coming across in a bad way. There's a lot of seasoned talent here and it would benefit you too just listen sometimes. Not one person here knows everything about welding, and what we love about it, is after years of lifetimes everybody still learns something almost everyday. So relax and enjoy and stop fighting. Trying to sound smart is making you look stupid.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeNot one person here knows everything about welding, and what we love about it, is after years of lifetimes everybody still learns something almost everyday.
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugI know it all
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeHow much does my head weigh?
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPug12 LBS..Unless you are light headed, or wearing a welding hood
Reply:Not sure where this 49,000 pound tensil strength number came from. Back in my school days a 6010 rod was rated at 60 ksi tensile strength (60,000 psi). Which is not quite twice the strength of A-36 mild hot rolled steel. So, weak rod, well weaker than 7018, but still a bit more hefty than what you normally welds.  I never said it wasn't done, just that it was easier to weld 6010 downhill, so why bust your butt learning uphill first. Get downhill down, then if you want practice uphill. It might behoove you to find a QWP (qualified welding procedure) and see what that tells you about gap, root land, etc. I can't recall ever using 6010 uphill, as the procedure I was welding to said 6010 downhill, and 7018 up, so that is what I did. Now I pretty much use 7018 for nearly everything, except repairs on rusty crap, and welding on pipe corrals.  Denlow, you are pretty new here. Take it easy. relax and do a little reading, then spend some time with your responses. work on a little better grammar, and spelling, as that seems to cause a bit of confusion in your response. Read your posts before hitting the send button and they might make a little more sense.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerNot sure where this 49,000 pound tensil strength number came from. Back in my school days a 6010 rod was rated at 60 ksi tensile strength (60,000 psi). Which is not quite twice the strength of A-36 mild hot rolled steel. So, weak rod, well weaker than 7018, but still a bit more hefty than what you normally welds.  I never said it wasn't done, just that it was easier to weld 6010 downhill, so why bust your butt learning uphill first. Get downhill down, then if you want practice uphill. It might behoove you to find a QWP (qualified welding procedure) and see what that tells you about gap, root land, etc. I can't recall ever using 6010 uphill, as the procedure I was welding to said 6010 downhill, and 7018 up, so that is what I did. Now I pretty much use 7018 for nearly everything, except repairs on rusty crap, and welding on pipe corrals.  Denlow, you are pretty new here. Take it easy. relax and do a little reading, then spend some time with your responses. work on a little better grammar, and spelling, as that seems to cause a bit of confusion in your response. Read your posts before hitting the send button and they might make a little more sense.
Reply:Uphill with 6010 root and finish out with 7018 has been a basic PIPE weld test of years !!!!!!!!!!!!   I even had a plate test with 6010 uphill. The old days, 40 years ago all the pipe welding we did was with 6010  UPHILL . Downhillers were usually travel hands from a southern state who were awesome welders. Some even had all their teeth !
Reply:Some electrode codesAWS A5.1 A5.1M -2012.pdf
Reply:Holy $hit, look what I found in my archives, an old funny paper that says I am certified to weld pipe with 6010 to ASME section IX standards........I must have killed thousands of children and unicorns when all the piping I put in with this company let go because 6010 is NFG.......Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:John that is obliviously a forgery! Because I read somewhere on the Internet that you can not run 6010 vertically up hill, and 6010 is no good! We all know if it's on the Internet it has to be true!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Hah! It clearly says E6010 without 7018. Poinit made.Everlast PA160-STH... and that's about it!
Reply:Tanks
Reply:Originally Posted by denlow60Tanks
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Reply:And this one is free