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From this......to this......to this......in 2 hours and 20 minutes.Sorry I took so long, I had to stop and talk with 2 customers during the build.6'-0" long x 1'-2" wide x 4'-0" tall.1-1/2" x 11 gauge sq. tube and 3/8" x 1-1/2" flat bar.Brian LeonardAppalachian Ironworks L.L.C.434 Long Branch Rd, Marshall, NC 28753828 649 9966828 702 [email protected]
Reply:That looks really nice - but wouldn't you want some gussets, even if they are just 6" long?Hobart LX235Victor 250 Oxy-Acetylene Rig (welding and cutting)Bobcat 773F-350, 1999, 4x4, 16' 10K# trailerOutdoor Wood Burner - 10 cords/year
Reply:i'd be concerned that someone would wedge some wood in there and where the verticals sit on top of the base it would want to tear out the top of the tubing..id of maybe goneto 1/4 thick right there..
Reply:I burn about 10 cords a year - we go through a little bit of wood.  It is funny how stuff gets wedged in and how the weight adds up much faster than we realize.  I'd be willing to bet that the leverage on the top few rows of wood against those uprights is going to torque things noticeably.Hobart LX235Victor 250 Oxy-Acetylene Rig (welding and cutting)Bobcat 773F-350, 1999, 4x4, 16' 10K# trailerOutdoor Wood Burner - 10 cords/year
Reply:I appreciate the concern but this is about the dozen'th I've built and so far none have bent.Brian LeonardAppalachian Ironworks L.L.C.434 Long Branch Rd, Marshall, NC 28753828 649 9966828 702 [email protected]
Reply:If you do ever get worried about it bending, extend the bottoms out past the sides and run a gusset there(outside the rack), it will not be in compression (best) , but in tension, but better than nothing? Good work!
Reply:1/8" box & 3/8" bar, that bad boy will last forever.Nice work!Semper FiJesus may have been a Carpenter, but his dad was a Millwright" A grinder and a can of paint, will make a welder what he aint' "I've done so much, with so little, for so long, that now I can do anything with nothing!
Reply:Very nice job dude!! Now, if I might ask, what do you charge for these? [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Ken,correct me if I'm wrong, but if the force is being applied to the opposite side of a folcrom from a gusset, wont the gusset then be in compression, not tension? as the force is being directed toward the gusset, and not away from it, as the case would be if the force was being applied to the same side of the folcrom as the gusset.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:When I stack my wood for storage I make a column of wood about 4' high at both ends and it holds the 6' of wood stacked between them fine. I don't think there is as much pressure as it would appear to be on the ends.Millermatic 200Hobart Handler 120Victor O/A & Ramco BandsawLincoln 225 ACSnapOn AD HoodMiller XMT304/22AHypertherm Powermax 1650 G3Lincoln Idealarc DC600 w/Extreme 12 VSMiller Digital Elite "Joker"
Reply:I think the concern is that people will force wood into the rack with the mentality that "it's metal it'll hold". Basically forcing the two sides outwords. But most people that use wood alot know that that is not the way to stack wood. The air needs to be able to move through it in order for the wood to dry properly. simply stacking the wood stabily without forcing the wood together will allow for this air movement.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:How in Gods green earth did you cut, measure, weld, AND grind all that in 2hrs?
Reply:some of you people on here seriously over think these miniscule projects, its a firewood rack, it's not bouncing down the road at 70mph.  The **** rack you buy from the northern tool or whoever is probably 18 gauge at best.   One nice thing it looks like the builder did was run the upright legs the whole way to the floor and the bottom of the rack is welded to the legs' sides, which is nice and strong and saves a lot of time opposed to if he had instead welded feet on each corner separate of the frame.
Reply:Originally Posted by jontheturboguyHow in Gods green earth did you cut, measure, weld, AND grind all that in 2hrs?
Reply:Originally Posted by RaptorDunerWhen I stack my wood for storage I make a column of wood about 4' high at both ends and it holds the 6' of wood stacked between them fine. I don't think there is as much pressure as it would appear to be on the ends.
Reply:Nice work as usual.As far as it being strong enough.....I built one out of 1.5" 11 gauge angle. 8' wide 14" deep, 4' tall. Bottom is a ladder frame with 5 cross braces, sides are 3 sided with 1 brace above the bottom that go to the ground with the bottom frame inside. 6 feet, 2 on each end obviously, and 2 center. I've had it full, and have had no problems with it bending, bowing, folding itself up like a paper airplane, or anything else. I use logs that fit inside the angle on the ends, and fill in the rest. I'm sure yours will be 10 times as strong.Please ignore the mess, I didn't have a chance to clean before taking the picture. Attached ImagesMy welder:Century 180 Wire feed welder.
Reply:Something else now I think I need. Great build.We are on our way to being farmers! Our site is always under construction so check back often for updates.  http://www.philosophyfarmstyle.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by KENLUDE97 .....extend the bottoms out past the sides and run a gusset there(outside the rack), it will not be in compression (best) , but in tension, but better than nothing?.....
Reply:Originally Posted by cd19some of you people on here seriously over think these miniscule projects, its a firewood rack, it's not bouncing down the road at 70mph.  The **** rack you buy from the northern tool or whoever is probably 18 gauge at best.   One nice thing it looks like the builder did was run the upright legs the whole way to the floor and the bottom of the rack is welded to the legs' sides, which is nice and strong and saves a lot of time opposed to if he had instead welded feet on each corner separate of the frame.
Reply:Y'all are killin' me. I'd hate to see some of you armchair engineers build something even remotely complex. It'd take a month of Sundays just to get off the drawing table to the layout table. That might be fine, even needed, depending on the project but this is not one of those.I am not speculating based on what I think may or may not happen. I am making a statement based on the evidence of a dozen, built sold and used over a period of 10 years with no failures, fractures, torquing, bending, or twisting. Trust me, when you start building and selling this stuff in the same small town, like I have for over 12 years, folks are not shy if there's a problem with your work. And you'll see those folks everywhere so there's an opportunity for them to complain if they want to.Although I do believe the paint has gotten beat up on some of them, but I didn't come up with the formula for the paint maybe you'ns could get some chemical engineering practice and come up with a better formula for me. Wait, don't waste your time I'll just get them powder-coated.You want to spend countless days and excessive amounts of material using Autocad and Sketchup and come up with your own "this is the worlds best firewood rack in the world" you go right ahead. But if you're trying to actually make a living and walk the fine line between production, quality and profit you've already blown it. Time is money and you're only going to get so much, of either, for a simple project like this.Brian LeonardAppalachian Ironworks L.L.C.434 Long Branch Rd, Marshall, NC 28753828 649 9966828 702 [email protected]
Reply:App,I feel it's time to point out a few things. 1) you posted the pictures on here for recognision of your work/design. This inherantly means that the other members of this forum are going to chime in on what they like or don't like about the project. 2) People are inclined to make suggestions "this is how I would do it differently". It is the basis of a forum of this type. 3) These suggestions are not very time consuming. "a bar across the top" "a gusset" "longer legs". Yes they are un nessicary and thus make them impracticle as a use of time. However, as far as the look of a finished product, if it looks to someone who has a general knowledge of a structure's strength(though maybe not how to stack wood). that it may fail in a cirtain way. Than that person has a valid right to make a suggestion.4) Most of the people on this forum may build the projects they see on this forum. but very few will try to use the projects to make money. The ones that will, will know or figure out, that the extra work and materials are not worth it. and the ones that aren't doing it for profit, and just want something for their own use, well they can make any changes they want to make it look they way they think it should. It's about being proud of the finish product that is in their house/yard/cabin, and how that product looks to them.5) and probably the most important of all. They are just suggestions, and you are welcome to use or ignore them as you will. don't take it personally.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Brian, what do you have against the open discussing of the factors involved and the thinking process which gets people to one design or another ?    People are not born with any of this knowledge...and hearing the various sides of the project parameters may help lots of people get their brains oriented in a safer and more productive manner.     PS, I am not trying to make a living doing this stuff.... and learning to use Sketchup or things like that... or the programs to run a CNC plasma cutting table.... are part of my ' use it or lose it '  brain fitness program....    If you do not want your stuff discussed... then why don't you just make the stuff... sell it .....and not post it to a forum where ALL LEVELS of mechanical and welding experience are collected together ?   How are people supposed to learn to do bigger projects if those YOU consider straightforward are not to be discussed ?OH.. I see ThorsHammer beat me to it... well put....Last edited by GBM; 09-16-2011 at 11:47 AM.Reason: saw other post...Weldandpower Lincoln 225 AC,DC with Briggs 16hp gas engine.WW2 era Miller TIG.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerApp,I feel it's time to point out a few things. 1) you posted the pictures on here for recognision of your work/design. This inherantly means that the other members of this forum are going to chime in on what they like or don't like about the project. 2) People are inclined to make suggestions "this is how I would do it differently". It is the basis of a forum of this type. 3) These suggestions are not very time consuming. "a bar across the top" "a gusset" "longer legs". Yes they are un nessicary and thus make them impracticle as a use of time. However, as far as the look of a finished product, if it looks to someone who has a general knowledge of a structure's strength(though maybe not how to stack wood). that it may fail in a cirtain way. Than that person has a valid right to make a suggestion.4) Most of the people on this forum may build the projects they see on this forum. but very few will try to use the projects to make money. The ones that will, will know or figure out, that the extra work and materials are not worth it. and the ones that aren't doing it for profit, and just want something for their own use, well they can make any changes they want to make it look they way they think it should. It's about being proud of the finish product that is in their house/yard/cabin, and how that product looks to them.5) and probably the most important of all. They are just suggestions, and you are welcome to use or ignore them as you will. don't take it personally.
Reply:Brian, that happens to everyone once in a while... welcome back ... LOLWeldandpower Lincoln 225 AC,DC with Briggs 16hp gas engine.WW2 era Miller TIG.
Reply:Originally Posted by GBMBrian, what do you have against the open discussing of the factors involved and the thinking process which gets people to one design or another ?    People are not born with any of this knowledge...and hearing the various sides of the project parameters may help lots of people get their brains oriented in a safer and more productive manner.     PS, I am not trying to make a living doing this stuff.... and learning to use Sketchup or things like that... or the programs to run a CNC plasma cutting table.... are part of my ' use it or lose it '  brain fitness program....    If you do not want your stuff discussed... then why don't you just make the stuff... sell it .....and not post it to a forum where ALL LEVELS of mechanical and welding experience are collected together ?   How are people supposed to learn to do bigger projects if those YOU consider straightforward are not to be discussed ?That last sentence from ThorsHammer is important.... do not take it personally.... I suppose we could avoid this if we did not allow humans to post... ONLY BOTS allowed to post in the future....Weldandpower Lincoln 225 AC,DC with Briggs 16hp gas engine.WW2 era Miller TIG.
Reply:or we could all just man up and not be so sensitive.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:I think we all need a hug.Millermatic 200Hobart Handler 120Victor O/A & Ramco BandsawLincoln 225 ACSnapOn AD HoodMiller XMT304/22AHypertherm Powermax 1650 G3Lincoln Idealarc DC600 w/Extreme 12 VSMiller Digital Elite "Joker"
Reply:No matter what you do, someone else seems to know better and is quick to let you know it.   Virtually every project posted here gets numerous suggestions on "how to make it better".I'm surprised someone didn't suggest using gas logs as a design change.You do nice work.........No suggestions added
Reply:Originally Posted by joedirt1966I'm surprised someone didn't suggest using gas logs as a design change....
Reply:Hahahahaha!   That was good!
Reply:Originally Posted by jontheturboguyHow in Gods green earth did you cut, measure, weld, AND grind all that in 2hrs?
Reply:the right tools, and jigs would make it easy to cut and fit in two hours. Stops on a miter/chop saw make it really easy to do production runs quickly. If I need 10 pieces the same length, I clamp a stop the proper length away from the blade. insert the material to be cut until it contacts the block, Cut material, remove cut piece, repeat.end up with 10 pieces the length every time (assuming your stop is clamped propery).so if you've got a cut list, setting your stop only takes a minimal amount of time.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:wow.i have commented before on some of yer stuff..i think you do   real nice work....i wont comment on it no more..
Reply:Looks good Brian.  You always do great work.  Don't let the "Wanters" get to ya.
Reply:Originally Posted by GBMT. Boone Pickens just called.....and suggested exactly that !!!
Reply:I keep my own running list of things that can only be purchased at Home Depot, Lowes or Harbor Freight and never be safely built or repaired at home or even in a pro-shop .  Now I'm going to have to add firewood racks to the list right above utility trailers (it's an alphabetical list).  "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Great rack Brian.I think for you, 2 hours is totally doable because you have experience in production building. Makes a HUGE difference as apposed to the weekend warrior. ( not meant as a slander in any way). I do production work too. Experience lets you get better at doing things faster because you don't have to think of how to do something, you just grab jigs and go. I think someone here alluded to the reason for the flame up. When you build for profit/business/livelihood, you don't want to *****-foot around with super engineering something that doesn't require it. If you have enough experience, you get pretty good at eye-ball "engineering". However,for those that are having fun on the weekend, the time spent figuring out stuff is part of the enjoyment. Having discussions on here regarding superfluous design details is also part of the fun. Me and a couple guys used to sit in a coffee shop and talk for hours about bike designs and ridiculous like details. We were bike junkies. Everyone else thought we were nuts. Some stuff I enjoy trying to figure-out and plan ridiculously. Other stuff, I just want done asap!So the seemingly arduous conversations that occur in some posts need to be let to run their course. Those that know the answer, can offer it up and let it be taken in time or not. No harm done.200amp Air Liquide MIG, Hypertherm Plasma, Harris torches, Optrel helmet, Makita angle grinders, Pre-China Delta chop saw and belt sander, Miller leathers, shop made jigs etc, North- welders backpack.
Reply:Well said Bert... I enjoy both parts, design and build. Brian the rack looks great and I sure do appreciate work that can both be done well and quickly. I aspire to that (after I work out all the bugs on paper  ) But seriously, jigs and stops do make production work so much faster - very much the same in woodworking where I have far more experience. Thanks for the post and pic!
Reply:The secret to both the build time and the quality is contained in in the OP's post here.The number built suggests both the build time (charge) and quality suit the market.Another great job. Originally Posted by app-ironworksllcI appreciate the concern but this is about the dozen'th I've built and so far none have bent.
Reply:hey brian im sorry i pissed you off..lets go get a bear and roll a fatty and get on with things...
Reply:Originally Posted by chopnhackWell said Bert... I enjoy both parts, design and build. Brian the rack looks great and I sure do appreciate work that can both be done well and quickly. I aspire to that (after I work out all the bugs on paper  ) But seriously, jigs and stops do make production work so much faster - very much the same in woodworking where I have far more experience. Thanks for the post and pic!
Reply:Sounds like an efficient setup!
Reply:Bert that does sound like a nice set up. (Although I hate chop saws, don't even own one, but that's me. I think it comes from 6 years of having only an abrasive chop saw for all work at one shop I used to work at.)Here's mine. I've been wanting to get some of that stick on tape measure but haven't gotten around to it yet.Even though certain length cuts can fall through the roller table I like it since it makes handling heavy stuff easier.The tables are all made from scrap parts found lying around and one day when i come across more rollers or complete tables it'll get a re-do. The set ups with the close spaced rollers are the s***.My only other complaint it that I don't have enough room in the shop to bring the whole set up inside so the infeed table sits out side the bay door. Come winter I'll cut an access door in the bay door so I won't have to open it to cut.Big drops go under the roller, small drops go next to the saw and scrap goes into the green barrel. If a drop is 8' or longer it goes back on the steel rack.Brian LeonardAppalachian Ironworks L.L.C.434 Long Branch Rd, Marshall, NC 28753828 649 9966828 702 [email protected]
Reply:Very nice! Seriously! That is plenty strong. I made some "bookends" for my wood pile out of 1" square tubing.Basically a "L" shaped piece that sits under the firewood. Works like a charm. Even with the wood stacked tight the uprights sit at a perfect 90 degrees. The wood pile is about 20' long 5' wide and 6' high. My ends are not even close to as strong as yours and i have much more weight. I plan on adding some cedar pickets to match the fence. 99% of the weight is on the ground or stand. Very little is forced out horizontally. Adding gussets or any more support would only add more time, materials and a higher selling price for your customers. If you are at all worried about it set your uprights "in" a couple degrees. Don't think its needed though. Your setup is just right and more than strong enough. Nice job. Attached ImagesLast edited by moose13; 09-20-2011 at 12:14 PM.
Reply:That is nice.We are on our way to being farmers! Our site is always under construction so check back often for updates.  http://www.philosophyfarmstyle.com/
Reply:Many people swear by this method.  Attached Images
Reply:Originally Posted by moose13Many people swear by this method.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerThat is because they don't have a welder. That method does work in a pinch, but is a pain in the @$$ if you've got twisted wood, or wood that isn't cut evenly. Don't get me wrong, it can be done with any wood, but it's a lot easier to just be able to through all the wood in, going to same direction.
Reply:Now that's some heavy-duty table you got there Brian! Nice! I like your adjustable fence too. with the Mine's sort of a smaller version with the vice grip. I got a feeling that you handle much larger pieces of material than I and the rollers would be a help with that. My regular stock is 1/8" to 3/4 solid and 1/2" to 3", .063, and various angle iron. When I have cut some heftier stick, I found that the grit on the solid in and out tables acts as little bearings, kinda like shuffle board, and the heavy stuff almost floats sometimes. One thing with a solid surface is, like any flat level surface in a shop, it becomes a place to put stuff. You probably don't have that problem. 200amp Air Liquide MIG, Hypertherm Plasma, Harris torches, Optrel helmet, Makita angle grinders, Pre-China Delta chop saw and belt sander, Miller leathers, shop made jigs etc, North- welders backpack.