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Hey guys. Was wondering if I could get some insight on a little part time work I may pick up. Guy has aluminum wheels. Wants me to fill in the original lug pattern with plugs and weld them in. I'm planning on preheating them to around 350°f.  I'm using a lincoln squarewave 175. %100 argon. Pure 3/32 tungsten. My question is this... With my preheating and cleaning properly. Is this doable? The well doesn't have to be a crazy penetrate. Just enough to hold the plug in solid. And be penetrated deep enough so when the weld is milled off its still stationary. Thoughts, suggestions, give up while I'm ahead? Thanks in advance guysSent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:So, is this just for 'art,' or is he planning to cut a new lug hole pattern?Sorry...I cannot help with the welding issues, just curious about the project.Kev.Kevin / Machine_Punk from The Aerodrome Studio - Lincoln PowerMIG 210 MP - Meco N Midget w/custom welding station - Vintage Victor 100Current Projects: The Aerodrome Studio
Reply:first we need to know why they are getting filled in ? why is the weld getting milled off ? is this for art or going back on a car?
Reply:The weld will get milled flush to the wheel again, not cut into the wheel at all. Then yes a new lug pattern will be drilled into the wheel. Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Run away...Aluminum loses about 42% of the base metal strength after welding. Unless you are going to re-temper the entire wheel, the liability would scare me away. YMMVMiller Dynasty 200DXMiller 252 Miller 250xMiller Syncrowave 250Miller AEAD200 LegendMiller 375 Xtreme plasmaLincoln WeldPak 100Victor O/A
Reply:Let's say their is no liability. Just Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Drop the wheel and run away quickly.  My only advice is DON'T DO IT.  Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should.  I wouldn't touch a job like that without a full welding quality department and a lot of destructive testing of sample parts.Kev.Kevin / Machine_Punk from The Aerodrome Studio - Lincoln PowerMIG 210 MP - Meco N Midget w/custom welding station - Vintage Victor 100Current Projects: The Aerodrome Studio
Reply:Your machine doesn't have the balls to penetrate into the aluminum well. I assume the new holes would be located near or on the plugs, I wouldn't trust plugs with shallow welds to hold with the kind of forces it needs to handle... Also it looks to be cast aluminum, you may have trouble with porosity. Add all that up and bad things could happen.  There is always liability.Last edited by SquirmyPug; 11-27-2013 at 12:51 AM.Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:Ok. I may just return them. Gotta find some part time work to pay the bills while in school. Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:I have said it before. There are just SOME projects you do NOT announce to the world you are doing.  You just DONT. You say there is no liability. Ok. Lets just say (since you didnt) that this goes on a derby car for your buddy. Why anyone would use aluminum wheels on a derby car is beyond me, but lets just say.  After the derby the car is toast it goes to the junkers. Along comes 16 year old innocent Billy and needs a wheel for his car. He curbed one bad and daddy wont buy him a new one. Billy buys the wheel, put it on and CRASHES THROUGH A SCHOOL BUS!!! full of nuns, children, and puppies. They were on the way to put on a show at the local old folks home.Now the lawyers are out for blood. ANY blood. The wheel modification is discovered. It is tracked back to the junkyard. The guy who runs the yard keep impeccable records. "No sir. That wheel was like that when we got it. Here is the name and address and drivers licenses of the fella that brought it in."   Cops show up at your buds house. Your bud (being the stand up guy he is) "Uh no, officer. I didnt do it." "My good friend who is an excellent welder did."On to your house.You deny it (like anyone would) Then the private eye that the church hired pulls out his print offs (time and date stamped) of THIS! thread here on weldingweb. "Well is this you? This was posted from YOUR ISP right?"Sh!t.You just became "the_guy" who is calling his lawyer.Of course all of this is just circumstantial. Larp is not psychic.If you cant fix it with a hammer, it must be an electrical problem."Boy, everyone starts with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is empty."-Grandad circa 1990ish
Reply:Very well put larp. Thank you.Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Just a couple of alarming things I see. First it is a casting. A weld is going to be half as strong as original at best without proper heat treat. Second, even if it was not a casting, the bevels on the plug are far from deep enough.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Originally Posted by larpheadI have said it before. There are just SOME projects you do NOT announce to the world you are doing.  You just DONT. You say there is no liability. Ok. Lets just say (since you didnt) that this goes on a derby car for your buddy. Why anyone would use aluminum wheels on a derby car is beyond me, but lets just say.  After the derby the car is toast it goes to the junkers. Along comes 16 year old innocent Billy and needs a wheel for his car. He curbed one bad and daddy wont buy him a new one. Billy buys the wheel, put it on and CRASHES THROUGH A SCHOOL BUS!!! full of nuns, children, and puppies. They were on the way to put on a show at the local old folks home.Now the lawyers are out for blood. ANY blood. The wheel modification is discovered. It is tracked back to the junkyard. The guy who runs the yard keep impeccable records. "No sir. That wheel was like that when we got it. Here is the name and address and drivers licenses of the fella that brought it in."   Cops show up at your buds house. Your bud (being the stand up guy he is) "Uh no, officer. I didnt do it." "My good friend who is an excellent welder did."On to your house.You deny it (like anyone would) Then the private eye that the church hired pulls out his print offs (time and date stamped) of THIS! thread here on weldingweb. "Well is this you? This was posted from YOUR ISP right?"Sh!t.You just became "the_guy" who is calling his lawyer.Of course all of this is just circumstantial. Larp is not psychic.
Reply:Don't touch it.Even I say NO to these.Good thing you at least had the common sense to even ask.......zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:there are plenty of shops out there doing this.   don't come here for welding advice, you come here for legal advice and in a lot of cases the legal advice and the welding advice are on an equal footing if you get my drift.   lollook around and steer clear of the tortaphobic types.
Reply:Originally Posted by ncountylinethere are plenty of shops out there doing this.   don't come here for welding advice, you come here for legal advice and in a lot of cases the legal advice and the welding advice are on an equal footing if you get my drift.   lollook around and steer clear of the tortaphobic types.
Reply:I just want to know if they are some kind of expensive wheel?tackleexperts.comwww.necessityjigs.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/mach...dingequipment/
Reply:Originally Posted by brucerI just want to know if they are some kind of expensive wheel?
Reply:Haha. Yes.... Very expensive. Most of the wheels he does are fully forged etc. These are a little less high grade. But still expensive none the less.Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:"I just want to know if they are some kind of expensive wheel?"   best question on thread.MD, aren't you a teacher?"there are plenty of shops out there doing this."did i make any calls about the OP's abilities?  no, why would i, i don't know him.   i simply pointed out that there are shops that do this work.   it's up to him to investigate the possibilities. did i make a blanket comment on all of the welding advice given on this site?  no.(you) don't come here for welding advice, you come here for legal advice and in a lot of cases the legal advice and the welding advice are on an equal footing if you get my drift. lolMD, did you read the posts in the thread?  if so are you unable to recognize sarcasm when you see it, i am guessing that either you didn't or can't.Last edited by ncountyline; 11-27-2013 at 11:34 AM.
Reply:ncountyline - sounds like you would like to argue, I'll pass.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDavencountyline - sounds like you would like to argue, I'll pass.
Reply:Originally Posted by larpheadI have said it before. There are just SOME projects you do NOT announce to the world you are doing.  You just DONT. You say there is no liability. Ok. Lets just say (since you didnt) that this goes on a derby car for your buddy. Why anyone would use aluminum wheels on a derby car is beyond me, but lets just say.  After the derby the car is toast it goes to the junkers. Along comes 16 year old innocent Billy and needs a wheel for his car. He curbed one bad and daddy wont buy him a new one. Billy buys the wheel, put it on and CRASHES THROUGH A SCHOOL BUS!!! full of nuns, children, and puppies. They were on the way to put on a show at the local old folks home.Now the lawyers are out for blood. ANY blood. The wheel modification is discovered. It is tracked back to the junkyard. The guy who runs the yard keep impeccable records. "No sir. That wheel was like that when we got it. Here is the name and address and drivers licenses of the fella that brought it in."   Cops show up at your buds house. Your bud (being the stand up guy he is) "Uh no, officer. I didnt do it." "My good friend who is an excellent welder did."On to your house.You deny it (like anyone would) Then the private eye that the church hired pulls out his print offs (time and date stamped) of THIS! thread here on weldingweb. "Well is this you? This was posted from YOUR ISP right?"Sh!t.You just became "the_guy" who is calling his lawyer.Of course all of this is just circumstantial. Larp is not psychic.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKmudPretty sure they are.... "Made in Italy" cast on them..... How many Italian wheel manufacturers are out there?
Reply:Those weren't forged. But still expensive. Most of my wheels consist of hre, work's, BBS, and ccw. Iv never had to fill and drill them though. Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing TapatalkOff topic, I definitely would not wanna arm wrestle you without a sidearm! If I was as big as you I would be a superhero! I'm a short sh!t, always wanted to be big! Dam! Ok back on topic, just had to get that out of me! I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeOff topic, I definitely would not wanna arm wrestle you without a sidearm! If I was as big as you I would be a superhero! I'm a short sh!t, always wanted to be big! Dam! Ok back on topic, just had to get that out of me!
Reply:Haha definitely wasn't expecting that mike. Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by the_guyHaha definitely wasn't expecting that mike. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
Reply:I'm not that big anyways.... Only 6'5" 352lbs Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Did I mention your very handsome! Your like two of me! That's it, i'm putting you on my friend list ASAP!  I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Haha ok sir. Greatly appreciated Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by the_guyI'm not that big anyways.... Only 6'5" 352lbs
Reply:Use to have a guy work for me, he played ball for the St Louis Cardinals in the 60s. He is 6'-8” tall, 280-lbs. For months he kept saying he was going to the gym to get back in shape. One day he did, I asked him how much he could curl, he wouldn't tell me with anybody around because he was ashamed. Later in the shift he came up to me and said if I promised not to say anything to anybody he would tell me. I said OK, 300-lbs! Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeOff topic, I definitely would not wanna arm wrestle you without a sidearm! If I was as big as you I would be a superhero! I'm a short sh!t, always wanted to be big! Dam! Ok back on topic, just had to get that out of me!
Reply:Yea. I lift and all the good stuff. LolSent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPUse to have a guy work for me, he played ball for the St Louis Cardinals in the 60s. He is 6'-8” tall, 280-lbs. For months he kept saying he was going to the gym to get back in shape. One day he did, I asked him how much he could curl, he wouldn't tell me with anybody around because he was ashamed. Later in the shift he came up to me and said if I promised not to say anything to anybody he would tell me. I said OK, 300-lbs!
Reply:Aye man brother. That sounds just like me lol.... Kinda weird lolSent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Mike you live dangerously!First time I worked with this guy, I went to get like a 65-ton shackle, it was a chore for me to carry it with both hands. He wanted to carry it for me, I said no I got it. He kept banging me in the chest with his huge meat hook, so I let him have the shackle, he carried it like his lunch box with one hand!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPMike you live dangerously!First time I worked with this guy, I went to get like a 65-ton shackle, it was a chore for me to carry it with both hands. He wanted to carry it for me, I said no I got it. He kept banging me in the chest with his huge meat hook, so I let him have the shackle, he carried it like his lunch box with one hand!
Reply:LarpheadI'm using your line in science class next week. I will give you credit the first two times then its mine."nuns, children, and puppies".Dave ReberWadsworth Ohio
Reply:Originally Posted by ReebsLarpheadI'm using your line in science class next week. I will give you credit the first two times then its mine."nuns, children, and puppies".
Reply:Originally Posted by larpheadI just seen that the OP is a big dude.
Reply:Haha no pissing contest guys. I can tell y'all already. Out of a lot of forums im on... (Car enthusiast) this has got to be my favorite now.Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by the_guyOut of a lot of forums im on... (Car enthusiast) this has got to be my favorite now.
Reply:Originally Posted by the_guyHaha no pissing contest guys. I can tell y'all already. Out of a lot of forums im on... (Car enthusiast) this has got to be my favorite now.Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
Reply:Back in my days at the International Harvester truck shop we had a "new guy" on our shift that was very similar "the guy" in physical stature.One day at work he called me over to his bay and said "This transmission is about to fall off of this jack.  When I pick this transmission up I want you to move the transmission jack over to the left a little bit." I asked him how he was pick the trans up because I did not see one of our portable engine hoists around and there was no crane in that bay.  He just replied "When I pick up the transmission, move the jack over about 3 inches, OK?"  Then he did a sort of squat and got ahold of that transmission and lifted it up.I moved the jack and he set the trans down.  He said "Thanks, I just couldn't lift the trans and move with it too."  Transmission weighed about 675 pounds or so.  From that day forward we were all super nice to "Mr. Mickey".
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPYeah stick around, a lot of good guys here. I learn something everyday. Another good thing about here is the moderators, they keep things under control. Zap rules with an iron fist, but sometimes that's a good thing!
Reply:Sounds good to me. Zap can you pm me please sir. Iv got a question.Sent from my Nexus 4 using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by the_guySounds good to me. Zap can you pm me please sir. Iv got a question.Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk