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Reply:It's going to be tough to do a quick change out of that valve.
Reply:Here's where a good carbon arc torch will come in handy! Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I guess a pair of 6'' SS 150# flanges, bolts, and gaskets must be big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Reply:been a pipe welder all my life never even thought of doing it that way
Reply:Originally Posted by michaelfbeen a pipe welder all my life never even thought of doing it that way
Reply:Notice that it looks like the other side of the valve is in the same condition.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldertomNotice that it looks like the other side of the valve is in the same condition.
Reply:Oh I thought all those holes were to make the valve lighter lmfao.
Reply:You know, this wouldn't have happened if the pipefitter would have done his job right.
Reply:The holes are without bolts gaskets, and flanged cause they had to aim their golf clubs. LolSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Hey but look at it this way, they didn't have to worry about whether the the bolt holes were going to line up. .No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Not the only one either.  The one behind it looks to be done the same way.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWHey but look at it this way, they didn't have to worry about whether the the bolt holes were going to line up.
Reply:That's called a "maintenance saving valve". If it fails, you need a welder to swap it out instead of a maintenance guy, saving him doing the maintenance.As a mechanic I must say that's brilliant!
Reply:Originally Posted by farmallThat's called a "maintenance saving valve". If it fails, you need a welder to swap it out instead of a maintenance guy, saving him doing the maintenance.As a mechanic I must say that's brilliant!
Reply:The holes are without bolts gaskets.
Reply:I'm sure the duct tape by duanes arrow is holding something high pressure or expensive. It is quick change though whatever it is.Arcon Workhorse 300MSPowcon 400SMTPowcon SM400 x 2Powcon SM3001968 SA200 Redface1978 SA250 DieselMiller Super 32P FeederPre 1927 American 14" High Duty LatheK&T Milwaukee 2H Horizontal MillBryan
Reply:Looks like it could be heat trace.  Pretty typical to be simply taped in place prior to installation of the insulation.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:weldertom  It's kind of like pulling a trailer without a hitch.duaneb55 / Good eyes / #13.It's only a 150# line - JB may have of worked.Fortunately, this is real welding, examine the bead.If the top of the photo is up - the weld bead is a TIG weave - vertical-down . . . ?I believe this was shop welded, in a positioner, and installed.  This would explain the superior bead profile.I have never seen, or imagined a joint like this - but, I would hire the guy who thought of it. OpusLast edited by OPUS FERRO; 12-16-2013 at 11:17 PM.Reason: punc: d's  ~  D's
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Reply:I figured the flanges were for mounting accessories, like cell phone holders, GPS devices, earings, carabiners, security cameras, etc.Miller Dynasty 200 DXMiller CP-300 with 30A feederHypertherm Powermax 900Oxy-fuel w/Harris torchesScotchman Glide-in bandsawMonarch 10EE latheEmi-Mec Autoturn latheDeckel FP2NC milling machinePro-Tools 105 Bender
Reply:You left out multiple cup holders for holding a 6 pack of cold beer. .No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by handtpipelineSaves on buying wrenches too...
Reply:Is this a new pipe fitting method for building US Navy ships???  The sequestering is hitting us hard, but is this for real????What and where was this photo taken?   I am sort of thinking that if you had a chemical process for "nasty $hit" (chemical weapons), pipe flanges might not be your friend.  Just thinking out loud....The one in the back behind duaneb55's arrow has been changed out, see the metal covered rubber sleeve with hose clamps on each end. Who needs a welder for a valve replacement.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Just a thought.... but maybe it was planned that way. There might just be a couple of Dresser couplings on each side and not shown in the pic. ( at least I'm hoping so for the sake of the guy who designed it )
Reply:I'll venture to guess that this setup is for doing a hydro test.....temporary lines hooked up to fill vessel with water and then maybe pressurized.  Nothing fancy when it'll just be cut apart and reused somewhere else.
Reply:I see they have duct tape in stock. No problem.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:WHAT?? You guys never done anything to Govt specsDoing the best I can with what I got
Reply:regular 150Lb carbon flanges are over $150 bucks each.  I couldn't imagine how much the 316L versions are.  prob saved a couple grand doing it this wayVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Could be that the installer was thinking,if this is stainless steel,that replacement would only involve replacing the stem and gate. My experience has been with gate valves ,that 90% of the time failure is with the stem and/or the gate.Ken Hood
Reply:They solder valves into copper lines all the time and lots of the old mills had valves welded into the steam lines. Is the problem that they are not supposed to weld to a valve that has a flange???Mr. HE
Reply:Originally Posted by hddnisThey solder valves into copper lines all the time and lots of the old mills had valves welded into the steam lines. Is the problem that they are not supposed to weld to a valve that has a flange???Mr. HE
Reply:I've seen a lot of stuff like that when I used to do inspections on pipelines, in refineries and chemical plants.  I guess it is job security for welders and fitters!"All of this and some of that's the only way to skin the cat!"
Reply:can this really fly? i don't have piping experience save for minor repairs, if you were an inspector or job super would you let this pass??i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by TimmyTIGThey welded the pipe to the gasket face. Sure, they have weld in valves, but that ain't one. First time I've seen a 6" socket weld valve.
Reply:Cheap fast and easy is what that is! Guy would have had to weld flanges on anyhow so why waste the gaskets, bolts, and time?
Reply:Originally Posted by docweldercan this really fly? i don't have piping experience save for minor repairs, if you were an inspector or job super would you let this pass??
Reply:[QUOTE=TimmyTIG;3431921]It all depends on what kind of code you're welding to. ASME 9, B31.3 etc. would never allow that. If you have a code that just says make it hold water, then it's fine.[/QUOTE  i work exclusively to the if it don't leak it's good code. i'm going to keep this trick in my back pocket. consider it stolen and filed.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Not to be a smarty, but its actually the engineering design that determines what gets welded or bolted and to what code, etc. Even if the whole project is B31.3, a chief engineer can spec this kind of situation at his discretion.