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1.40 A STINKIN' FOOT FOR 14GA SQUARE TUBING Start making it into something this afternoon I guess 84 stinkin' degrees out, 79% humidity, 94 degrees heat index   AND NOT A BREATH OF WIND   It feels like you're a wet floor mop "Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:You'll get over it Samm.  Wouldn't take much to A/C that trailer.  Could give you some relief.  Maybe a few brewskies would work. Best  Bob
Reply:Sambo, warmed up a bit to 54 when I got off work this morning.  Nice rain for most of the night. Haven't seen snow in almost a month here. I'll just hang my head and hum some old Woody Guthrie tune like 'Way down south in the Indian Nation..." while feeling horrible bad for ya'. BTW, what with the less than positive chances for sowing some hay grass you and Kelley ought to be able to get out on the road this summer...maybe head up this way? We'll leave a light on for ya.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Almost forgot...time to weld Sambo.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:there's no project here sam. Just whining about the price of metal and the weather. SO HARD NOT TO QUOTE OFFICE SPACE! "Looks like someon's got a case...."There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Yea, but Sam......."Any day above ground is a good day" now quit whining and go build America Lincoln SA 200Esab Caddy 160Thermal Arc 201TSMiller Dialarc HFI don't like making plans for the day because then the word "premeditated" gets thrown around the courtroom....
Reply:Here's the deal.  I got a gap to fill.  The entrance to a hay storage area.  It's 40 feet wide, and needs to be closed up.  I need it this wide to bring in long trailers and be able to make the turn.The "gate" will be partially moveable like a normal gate, and the rest will be stand-alone panels which can be moved with a loader once a year when I bring in hay.The basic frames are almost complete.Used this deal as an oppurtunity to run as much uphill flux core as possible.  I don't like running flux core uphill, and thought this would be good practice.  This is gasless self shielding wire.   I have a hard time seeing the puddle under the best of conditions when welding with wire on a little machine, I suppose it's an age thing   The arc is just too dim As long as I can get relatively consistent welds time after time I guess it's ok, for me anyways   I find flux core to be somewhat different than 7018.  It is fast freeze, and the puddle won't run down to fill, it has to be controlled right at the face of the puddle.  With 7018 you can allow the puddle to run down to fill, and it's more of a puddle control thing.  You're "dragging" the puddle uphill with stick.  With the flux core you're "stacking" the metal for want of a better word.  Either way...........I DON'T LIKE WIRE "Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I feel for you with that kind of weather, Sam. The humidity here on Sunday was a whopping 4%. Only problem was that the temp hit 103. But it's a DRY heat.
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Reply:You say that's gasless wire? I didn't think you ( not you personally :-) ) could get a good looking bead with that stuff, I stand corrected.....MIke
Reply:Originally Posted by mrmikeyYou say that's gasless wire? I didn't think you ( not you personally :-) ) could get a good looking bead with that stuff, I stand corrected.....MIke
Reply:Spent yesterday digging TWO postholes.  The ground is that hard right now   Pour water in, let it soak in, dig 1-2", repeat till you get down around 3 feet.  Geesh!!@!!!Had time today to cut the pieces for the braces.Made a pattern, and used it to mark all the other pieces (4 in all).I remember someone asking me why I didn't make provisions for bolting the chop saw to the table.  This is why...............I'm able to rotate the saw to almost any position in order to make angle cuts.  It's cumbersome but is ok for repeated cuts.  The setup time is justified by more cuts.  Actually it really isn't too bad, and the results are nice.  The beauty of it is, you can go well past the angle limitations on the chopsaw fence.Four identical pieces.Some tacking done, probably finish weld this section this evening, or not "Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Oh yeah, I remove the bolt on the chopsaw fence that locks the angle, and leave the pivot bolt in.  This way the fence is free to rotate 360 degrees.  This is the way you can exceed the 45 degree limitation if your table is set up this way."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Any plans for the weekend Sam? Kelley could probably use a roadtrip. If nothing else comes along...there's ALWAYS the lathe.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:The ground around my place is rock hard too.  Also quite a few rocks too. I used to dig as you mentioned, water, crowbar and shovel.  Then............One of the best investments i made was to buy a DeWalt electric jackhammer.  Spade bit breaks the ground real good, then when you find a rock, change to chisle or point and break that out too.This is the one i have.http://www.dewalt.com.au/powertools/...info/overview/
Reply:Looks good samm. I recentley almost gave myself a stroke digging through rock to plant 3 pine trees, and my grass was so high last week I was mowing when it was dark and didn't realize till the next day I mowed them down I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Second the electric jackhammer, Sam. Best $300 I've probably ever spent. Got tired of a friend and myself riding on the top of a two-man gasoline powered auger to gain 3/4"-1" each time we put it in the hole after the water/wait cycles.I've got my money out of it and just keep it around for the odd job now.EDIT: Glad we never tied off to that two-man auger as there were places in the yard where you would have to hold on to it for dear life or it would take off to China.RE-EDIT: I take it back Sambo, while the Bosch is nice, the old Bux is better for a lot more work.Last edited by WyoRoy; 06-13-2012 at 07:27 PM.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:I appreciate the suggestions, I never thought about using an electric jackhammer.  COOL..................................................  ..........................................Internet's been down.  Got a bit done since last post.The corner post is complete.I've been having some real issues with welding pipe.  I'm definitely not a pipe welder   It seems that most of my problem was caused by not fitting the pipe correctly.  I was doing it fast and lazy, and leaving a butt load of gaps.  I finally got around to taking time with the fitup, and it seems to be going better.  Being as I'm no good with pipe, what I'm doing is running two verticals, one on either side, then tieing it all together with a weld at the top, and bottom.  I can't seem to get the weld all the way around half the pipe   The changes in rod angle are beyond my skill level.Meanwhile the bulk of the gate and panel are finished, and probably will be finished today."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:The final part of the gate is the hinges.I use DOM tubing (3/4ID, 3/16 wall).  But the tubing comes exactly 3/4ID, and it has to be bored oversize to fit the pin.The mill spindle is centered over the tubing using a rotating indicator.Then the indicator is removed, a boring head installed, and the tubing bored .010 oversize.The hinge is almost done, but no pics.  Probably get around to some pics when I hang it."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Hinge is on, and gate ready to hang The pins, and barrels were welded to flat, then welded to the gate and angle iron.  Doing it this way allows you to align the assembly better.  The flats can simply be welded where the pins line up, usually within a 1/32 or so.  It really simplifies things.I forgot to take pics of the process when welding the barrels to the gate.  It is done using a piece of 3/4" round stock thru the barrels, lining it all up with the stock still in, then welding the flat straps to the gate.  The straps are reinforced with another piece of flat stock wrapping around the backside of the tubing.  Then the pins are clamped to the angle iron, lined up and assured that they rotate freely.Then it's all welded together, and greased (probably the last grease it'll ever see )This design requires that the support post be set absolutely plumb so that the angle can be welded without any adjustment.  I suppose you could smoogie the legs of the angle to accomodate some variance in the post plumb.Anyhooooo.............this allows me to have a precision set of hinges which will last longer, and be easier to swing.  This gate will see a lot of open/close cycles as this area is where the hay is stored prior to feeding."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Lookin good, but $1.40/ft ain't too bad for 14gauge, I just paid $1.50/ft for 16 gauge  did you stick weld that pipe? Doesn't look bad at all. That's how I weld pipe too, lol. I can never move as much as I need to without shaking.anyway cool project, nice job on those hinges http://www.philswelding.com
Reply:The gate r done.  Luckily it did come out level   with no trimming of the angle iron   Have to take about 4" of dirt off the backside of the swing to allow it to open inwards fully, but that's no big deal.  If I'd of mounted the gate to clear the backside it would have been too high when extended to close off the area.  No such thing as level ground This was a really good job for me, it gave me the opurtunity to do a lot of out of position welding.  I purposely did about 95% of the welds either vertical or overhead.  I need the practice.About 99% of the tubing was flux core, and all the pipe welds and gate installation welds were 7018.Next step is to put the non opening section in place, measure the remaining gap, and build the smaller section to fill it.  Almost there "Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Sam, you never could have done it without the help and kind assistance of Kelley...Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:looks good man, stupid question but wouldn't the bore be affected by the welding to the flat stock after? is it practical to weld the tube to the flat stock first, then bore it?miller 330a bp TIGmiller dynasty 200DX TIGmillermatic 185 MIGthermal dynamics cutmaster 101 plasma cuttersnap-on YA5550 plasma cutterhypertherm powermax 30 plasma cutterbaileigh CS225 cold sawetc....
Reply:It's not a stupid question.  I had the same concerns when I first used this method years ago when building my loader, and feeders, and other hinged things.  I thought the heat would distort the bore too much.I used to be able to buy DOM that came presized to .010 over, and I found that at this oversize the welding didn't affect it enough to make it noticeable.  So I've just continued with the practice when I found it worked.  It was really trial and error in the beginning.I would think it wouldn't be suitable for truly precision automotive applications though."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/Sam in post 19  re cornerpost, first pic ... what is the blue thing on the right side of the pic for? is that an engineering device? GOT YAMiller thunderbolt 250Decastar 135ERecovering tool-o-holic ESAB OAI have been interested or involved in Electrical, Fire Alarm, Auto, Marine, Welding, Electronics ETC to name a just a few. So YES you can own too many tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by dumb as a stumpSam in post 19  re cornerpost, first pic ... what is the blue thing on the right side of the pic for? is that an engineering device? GOT YA
Reply:Put the other long panel out to measure the final gap.The mismatch was expected, and it's liveable.  The gate is level, and the panel sits on unlevel ground.  I didn't figure it was really necessary to use higher "feet" on the stationary panels.  The "feet" are treated lumber to keep the steel off the ground.  Another Uranis Inc. innovation So far it seems that the panel is heavy enough to keep the gate in place when it's chained up, but if not, I guess I'll have to sink a pipe in the ground and make a drop rod to hold the gate in high wind.  Oughta find out today, it's supposed to blow as hard as yesterday."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Samm just an idea. what if you put 1 fence to each end of that stand piece and built a fence panel of the stand piece. then have it  zig zag. see samm.doc just a thought  as to windy days as well as critters pushing up to it etc. Attached Filessamm.doc (11.0 KB, 37 views)Miller thunderbolt 250Decastar 135ERecovering tool-o-holic ESAB OAI have been interested or involved in Electrical, Fire Alarm, Auto, Marine, Welding, Electronics ETC to name a just a few. So YES you can own too many tools.