Miller MM211 or Hobart210 MVP ?

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Building dock ramps 3/16 wall aluminum sq tube, dragging TIG torch and peddle around I think will be a pain. Time to pull the trigger (pun intended) on MIG unit and spool gun.I like the idea of a portable unit 115/230V and know that you are limited on the 115v but I think that I would be ok with that in a pinch.For my needs I'm looking at that Hobart 210MVP w/spool runner 100, or the Miller MM211 w/spoolmate 100.I'm leaning towards the Hobart seems to have a little better duty cycle w/spool gun, and the Miller auto set I question because it seems that I have heard some negative reviews. Note sure about the warranty on the Miller, but seems to be good on the Hobart.I've hand no complaints on my miller 250 Syncrowave DXI need to do some thing in the next day or two any input would be greatly appreciated.Thanks,Karl
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Reply:Originally Posted by badvetteBuilding dock ramps 3/16 wall aluminum sq tube, dragging TIG torch and peddle around I think will be a pain. Time to pull the trigger (pun intended) on MIG unit and spool gun.I like the idea of a portable unit 115/230V and know that you are limited on the 115v but I think that I would be ok with that in a pinch.For my needs I'm looking at that Hobart 210MVP w/spool runner 100, or the Miller MM211 w/spoolmate 100.I'm leaning towards the Hobart seems to have a little better duty cycle w/spool gun, and the Miller auto set I question because it seems that I have heard some negative reviews. Note sure about the warranty on the Miller, but seems to be good on the Hobart.I've hand no complaints on my miller 250 Syncrowave DXI need to do some thing in the next day or two any input would be greatly appreciated.Thanks,Karl
Reply:[QUOTE=Tunnelvision;852701]I will add this:Miller makes and owns Hobart./QUOTE]So when did this happen?Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Originally Posted by TunnelvisionI will add this:Miller makes and owns Hobart.Either machine/Spool gun will run 4043 but will not successfully run 5356 either .030 or .035.I have the 211 and bought the spoolmate for a small job because my 350P/XR pro went down, I had to use 5356 because that's what the customer required.It did not work at all, called Miller and the tech said that the combo was never designed for 5356 because of the melting point of the alloy, he said we would need 220-230 amps for the .030, which we won't get and the spoolgun is only rated for 160 amps, Miller has now put a note in their new catalog stating this.Dan
Reply:i have a miller 211. Great Machine!Ya gotta spend money to make money!
Reply:I own a 211 great machine.Yakdung
Reply:[quote=Brand X;852801] Originally Posted by TunnelvisionI will add this:Miller makes and owns Hobart./QUOTE]So when did this happen?
Reply:I don't think it's actually true that Miller 'makes' Hobarts.  Both companies are owned by Illinois Tool Works.  There are some peripheral Miller parts used in Hobarts, but I believed each company manufactures its machines in separate facilities and has its own management and the like.I've owned (and liked) both.Jack OlsenMy garage website
Reply:Originally Posted by Jack OlsenI don't think it's actually true that Miller 'makes' Hobarts.  Both companies are owned by Illinois Tool Works.  There are some peripheral Miller parts used in Hobarts, but I believed each company manufactures its machines in separate facilities and has its own management and the like.I've owned (and liked) both.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcThis is gonna pizz off lots, but here it goes anyways.......  Hobarts are for those that can't really afford a Miller.    It's akin to one that doesn't want to pay full price for Heineken in bottles, so they settle for Coors in a can.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcThis is gonna pizz off lots, but here it goes anyways.......  Hobarts are for those that can't really afford a Miller.    It's akin to one that doesn't want to pay full price for Heineken in bottles, so they settle for Coors in a can.
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Reply:[QUOTE=Jack Olsen;855941]I don't think it's actually true that Miller 'makes' Hobarts.  Both companies are owned by Illinois Tool Works.  There are some peripheral Miller parts used in Hobarts, but I believed each company manufactures its machines in separate facilities and has its own management and the like.Nice to know someone understands that... Miller owns Hobart, like Hobart owns Miller. Been that way since the Sale to ITW. 210 is made in Troy, Ohio the last time I checked. I believe the Hobart engineers are some of the best in the world at making tapped voltage machines.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:To me the Auto Set is a marketing gimmick for the newer welder.  I've only used it once on a machine and personally I just set the machine manually for the way I prefer to weld. I don't believe from what I remember that it will work for alum, so you would be setting manually anyways.I honestly haven't looked close enough at the Hobart to form any opinion on it in detail vs the MM211. In general Hobart units usually are slightly under or equal to their Miller counter parts. I don't think I've seen one of the ITW Hobart Handlers that's actually "better" in output to a comparable Miller. Not that I'm knocking Hobarts, I think they are usually a good deal for the money. It's just that it seams Miller usually has the slightly better unit for some reason, and I'm guessing it's a deliberate marketing plan. Originally Posted by badvetteI like the idea of a portable unit 115/230V and know that you are limited on the 115v but I think that I would be ok with that in a pinch.
Reply:Originally Posted by badvetteYou got to kidding, were only talking about $100 difference between the 2. Like I said before my TIG machine is Miller 250 DX syncrowave and had an older Miller 180 arc machine for years- no complaints. Obviously I like Miller products, just afraid the auto-set might be something else to cause problems. I might add nobody has addressed this issue,good or bad.From the looks of your equipment doesn't look like you are a big Miller proponent.
Reply:Originally Posted by badvette... just afraid the auto-set might be something else to cause problems. I might add nobody has addressed this issue,good or bad...
Reply:I agree with the auto-set being somewhat of a gimmick, however if you have never ever pulled the trigger, have no idea what to look for, it would get the novice started, hey we all started somewhere!Miller 350 LX TigrunnerMiller 350P w/XR-ProMiller 211 AutosetMiller Spot WelderLincoln 140Hypertherm Powermax45 plasmaBridgeport millAtlas 12X40 latheBewo cold sawWilton 7x12 horiz. band sawUnihydro 42 ton Iron worker
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWTo me the Auto Set is a marketing gimmick for the newer welder.  I've only used it once on a machine and personally I just set the machine manually for the way I prefer to weld. I don't believe from what I remember that it will work for alum, so you would be setting manually anyways.I honestly haven't looked close enough at the Hobart to form any opinion on it in detail vs the MM211. In general Hobart units usually are slightly under or equal to their Miller counter parts. I don't think I've seen one of the ITW Hobart Handlers that's actually "better" in output to a comparable Miller. Not that I'm knocking Hobarts, I think they are usually a good deal for the money. It's just that it seams Miller usually has the slightly better unit for some reason, and I'm guessing it's a deliberate marketing plan.You really won't be able to do 3/16" alum on 115v if that's what you meant by that comment. The MM180 I ran for a bit on alum pretty much needed to be run maxed out to do 1/8" alum. My guess is the MM211 or the Hobart will need to be run almost at max to do a good job on 3/16" alum. and you will not get the output on 115v power.If you simply mean that from time to time you could use it on steel 1/8" and less when the situation calls for it, then yes that those machines would work for that.
Reply:Originally Posted by TunnelvisionI will add this:Miller makes and owns Hobart.
Reply:Originally Posted by badvetteYou got to be kidding, were only talking about $100 difference between the 2. Like I said before my TIG machine is Miller 250 DX syncrowave and had an older Miller 180 arc machine for years- no complaints. Obviously I like Miller products, just afraid the auto-set might be something else to cause problems. I might add nobody has addressed this issue,good or bad.From the looks of your equipment doesn't look like you are a big Miller proponent.
Reply:As far as the autoset goes on the MM211. Is it pretty close voltage vs. wirespeed?  So if I want to use autoset but want to go hotter, I just up the thickness.  A 211 came up on Craigslist and I'm tired of waiting for a cheap passport.Con Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DX
Reply:Originally Posted by badvetteYou got to be kidding, were only talking about $100 difference between the 2.
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Reply:Originally Posted by ANVILWell, Heinekene is also like $3.50 a six pack more expensive than Coors, but some people still don't wanna pay for the "GOOD STUFF." That's because Miller's are for those that can't afford Lincolns!  Next question?
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