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I've planned on entering the navy in about a year. Has anyone done any welding for the navy? Any Navy input would be great actually. There are quite a few jobs I am interested in through them.ThanksDo what it takes to get the job done right.
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Reply:I'm a former Seabee, so I'll throw my input in. There are a few types of welding you can do. I would consider what you want to do and live when you get out. If you want to work in a shipyard and live on a coast, consider an HT (Hull Technician) position. Structural ship welding and "turd chasing" (glorified plumbers on the ship). There is another avenue, which I'm partial to. Consider the Seabees and an SW (Steelworker) rating. This is more of your intercoastal iron working job. Building erection, heavy equipment repairs, etc. An added bonus (for me anyway) is your chance of being on a ship is minimal. You wear camo and carry an M16. Not many Bee's in the Navy, but it's a close community both in the service, and after it.Shoot me a PM if you have any questions I can answer for you.
Reply:I would vote for the Seabee! Learn all that you can about welding prior to taking the apptitude test.I have never served myself, to young for Nam, to old for the middle east stuff! One of my brothers was a Marine, I mean is Marine, you know the saying once a Marine always a Marine. Another one was in the Army. They both got some life skills from their service!My thank's go to you Seabee, all that have, are and will serve!AEAD 200LE, Lincoln precision tig 185, Millermatic 251, Spectrum 625 extreme, Victor torch , Smithy 1220LTD. and Do all C-4 band saw , Always adding.
Reply:I had some work done in a shop in Phoenix Az by a guy who learned his trade in the Navy that guy was fabulous and knew his stuff said he learned it all in the Navy
Reply:I'm finishing my Associates in welding before i enlist. So, I'll have quite a few processes learned.Do what it takes to get the job done right.
Reply:Originally Posted by jmtebbensI'm a former Seabee, so I'll throw my input in. There are a few types of welding you can do. I would consider what you want to do and live when you get out. If you want to work in a shipyard and live on a coast, consider an HT (Hull Technician) position. Structural ship welding and "turd chasing" (glorified plumbers on the ship). There is another avenue, which I'm partial to. Consider the Seabees and an SW (Steelworker) rating. This is more of your intercoastal iron working job. Building erection, heavy equipment repairs, etc. An added bonus (for me anyway) is your chance of being on a ship is minimal. You wear camo and carry an M16. Not many Bee's in the Navy, but it's a close community both in the service, and after it.Shoot me a PM if you have any questions I can answer for you.
Reply:I served in the Navy aboard submarines. A few of the nuke Machinist's Mate's were welders as an additional job for repairs while underway, however they didn't do much welding. Good info to know as the recruiters might get an extra kudo for enlisted prospective nukes and steer you that way, with you under a false understanding you will be doing lots of welding as a nuke MM, when in reality you probably won't.I would think like others have said, the Seabee route or Hull Tech would be the way to go.JanErik"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
Reply:Originally Posted by JanErikI served in the Navy aboard submarines. A few of the nuke Machinist's Mate's were welders as an additional job for repairs while underway, however they didn't do much welding. Good info to know as the recruiters might get an extra kudo for enlisted prospective nukes and steer you that way, with you under a false understanding you will be doing lots of welding as a nuke MM, when in reality you probably won't.I would think like others have said, the Seabee route or Hull Tech would be the way to go.JanErik
Reply:i was an HT in the Navy back in the early 70's and my brother retired out as HTC in charge of the sheet metal and pipe shop on board the Enterprise. he had every cert the Navy had to offer including nuke sub hull. i'm trying to get my oldest boy(17) to join to further his welding and maturity. the potential for welding knowledge is endless in the Navy. good luck.225NT bobcatAEAD200LEScott 125mm175, mm252 w 30A, PT225mm211, TA 181iHyper Therm 380, cut master 529100X & XX, Digital Elite6 Victor setssmith little torch, meco midget kalamazoo band sawsteel max saw evoulution circular saw
Reply:Thanks, I will definitely keep the Nuke thing in mind as something to steer away from. I'm not going in to line anyone's pockets but my own. If the guy gets a bonus for leading me into the field I actually want to pursue then awesome.As for obtaining my BS first, I want to be an officer, but I want to work my way up to it also. Also, I hear that a lot of people look down on the guys that enter as an officer instead of earning it. And, if they are going to give me the financial aid while I'm enlisted to get my BS then finish their CEC program, I think it would feel better on my wallet.Awesome pics by the way. The only thing I love as much as welding is photography. I'm bringing my camera to classes next term to try and get some good shots.Do what it takes to get the job done right.
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Reply:I will just say here.....If you ever want to weld for a space program either the old NASA or the newer contractors they will hire Navy nuke certified welders almost exclusively. Nuke certs are the only way to go!!!!!!! Anyone can weld carbon steel piping and beams....the costs are great but the rewards are extream!!!!!! Want to make the big bucks....then go nuke. I wished I would have known about that when I was young......would have been no question. Also, even if you dont want to weld on nuke equipment....the resume of a naval nuke certified person will get you a top paying job anywhere in the world. If you are going to spend 4 to 6 years in there might as well be the best, on our dime.Last edited by Awelderiam; 12-28-2011 at 12:58 PM.A young green pipe welder asked an old salt one day...How can I make the weld on the bottom of the pipe look like the top.......The old salt replied....Screw up the top......
Reply:To me that would be the only reason to join the Navy. Outside of a masters degree or doctrine, the nuke certification is recognized as the top tier position in any work force.A young green pipe welder asked an old salt one day...How can I make the weld on the bottom of the pipe look like the top.......The old salt replied....Screw up the top......
Reply:Originally Posted by jmtebbensMy brother is a Nuke Machinist Mate, so a word of caution about this. Nuke school is INCREDIBLY hard. The washout (failure) rate is in the 90% range. If you fail this school, you go to the fleet as an "Undesignated Seamen", ie: Bitch. The washout rate is second only to SEAL school. Recruiters get huge incentives to enlist people under the nuke designation, so they sincerely downplay the diffuculty of it. Just something to consider.IF you are going to get your associates, why not do two more and get a BS? You could then join the CEC (Civil Engineer Corps) as an officer for the Bee's. You can take loans for the BS and use your GI Bill to pay them off. More money, more rank, more responsibilty, more freedom. Just a thought.Here is some info for your reading:SeaBee info from WikiSW info from Wiki
Reply:I worked with a young man that was a Nuke operator, on an aircraft carrier. You will have to take some of the same criteria as the operators but not the complete sections. If the recruter is any kind of person he should be able to tell you what all is involved in becoming a nuke certified welder. It might be a full blown nuke certification or just a common knowledge course. All I do know is once you have it, then you have something to be proud of. There are alot of seperate levels of welding in the Navy....look into them all. The Navy is also the best place to earn your level II NDE certifications as well.....good luck.A young green pipe welder asked an old salt one day...How can I make the weld on the bottom of the pipe look like the top.......The old salt replied....Screw up the top......
Reply:Originally Posted by dkalleckI was just reading about the Nuclear Power School. Is this the same school? I'm reading about these people with amazing testing scores and they are taking nuclear physics classes. That sounds a little out of my league.I want to be badass and the best at what I do. But the school sounds like it's pushing more toward running a nuclear reactor, not welding.
Reply:Originally Posted by jmtebbensOne and the same. I do not have 100% of the information you need, so I will fill you in on what I do know.You have to think about this: A submarine is a VERY tight space. You don't even get your own bed. Click here for an explanation of why. In general, when do you weld? When building something new, or repairing something old. Everything is already built on a sub, that leaves repair work. For the most part, you don't need to repair a lot of things out at sea. Now you have a dillema. Do you either have a crew member dedicated to welding, which may not be needed very often, or do you just tack it on as an additional duty of a Machinist Mate? The answer is obvious. There is no room to have a crewmember that cannot do more than one thing. Sure, you may be a nuke welder, but you will also be a nuke operator/repairer/everything else. Almost everyone needs to be able to do almost everyone else's job. You know, just in case...You will have to go through the entire nuke training program. I believe the first leg of this is down in South Carolina and then up to New York for the second part. It is incredibly hard, but the payoff should certainly be worth it. Start taking some nuclear engineering type courses like advanced math classes and whatnot. Also, the information in the training programs is all highly classified. So much so, that a lot of it will not transfer to college credits (Most military training is worth some type of college credits. When I came out of my Mechanic "A" School, I was 75% of my way to an associates degree without any college course work.) because it cannot even be viewed by the accredidation people. I still vote SeaBee just because you will be welding, a lot. Gauranteed. The fact that I don't like open water probably factors into my recommendation as well, but I am a bit biased.
Reply:Not a navy guy but go for what ever will get you your pipe and nuke welding qualifications and stick with it while in the service. Afterwards you could consider coming to work for http://www.huntingtoningalls.com/ the only ship builder of aircraft carriers and builder of subs and other navy class ships. There are also other ship builders but well I am partial to HII since I work there and the money is good and the benefits better but the work can and is hot and dirty and cold and dangerous and I happen to have about a dozen of the local bartenders/cocktail waitresses/dancers on my face book page as well as a few of the hell raisers from the area and I can tell you that theres allot to do here. Try to get stationed at Norfolk Naval or one of the surrounding naval facilities which there are many here in Virginia.Welding Supervisor Department of Corrections.
Reply:You can also look at the avation side of the Navy, I was an aviation structural mechanic (AMS) and if you get lucky you could be setting in a welding booth doing TIG on exotics all day. It is all inside and you don't have to fight the elements.LarryMiller XMT 304 CC/CVSyncrowave 180 SDLincoln PowerMig 255XTTermalDynamics 52Lincoln 305GComlpete machine shop to back it up
Reply:I work as a civilian as a Nuke welder in a Navy shipyard and I will say this.... The Navy is not known for having welders that are that great. They can do basic stuff and make quick repairs but not at a professional level. Seabees would be pretty cool in my opinion.CERTIFICATIONS:7018M- H.V.O10718M- H.V.O11018M- H.V.O9N10- H.V.O71T-1-HYM- H.O.V100S1 PULSE ARC 0,035- H.O.V100S1 PULSE ARC 0.045- H.O.VER70S-3 PULSE ARC 0.035 H.O.VER70S-3 PULSE ARC 0.045 H.O.VER5554- H.O.V
Reply:Originally Posted by Big65moparNot a navy guy but go for what ever will get you your pipe and nuke welding qualifications and stick with it while in the service. Afterwards you could consider coming to work for http://www.huntingtoningalls.com/ the only ship builder of aircraft carriers and builder of subs and other navy class ships. There are also other ship builders but well I am partial to HII since I work there and the money is good and the benefits better but the work can and is hot and dirty and cold and dangerous and I happen to have about a dozen of the local bartenders/cocktail waitresses/dancers on my face book page as well as a few of the hell raisers from the area and I can tell you that theres allot to do here. Try to get stationed at Norfolk Naval or one of the surrounding naval facilities which there are many here in Virginia.
Reply:Originally Posted by LarrysmachineYou can also look at the avation side of the Navy, I was an aviation structural mechanic (AMS) and if you get lucky you could be setting in a welding booth doing TIG on exotics all day. It is all inside and you don't have to fight the elements.Larry
Reply:Originally Posted by NHMattI work as a civilian as a Nuke welder in a Navy shipyard and I will say this.... The Navy is not known for having welders that are that great. They can do basic stuff and make quick repairs but not at a professional level. Seabees would be pretty cool in my opinion.
Reply:Originally Posted by dkalleckI'm getting two years of welding training (associates of applied science in welding) before I enlist.Originally Posted by NHMattI work as a civilian as a Nuke welder in a Navy shipyard and I will say this.... The Navy is not known for having welders that are that great. They can do basic stuff and make quick repairs but not at a professional level. Seabees would be pretty cool in my opinion.
Reply:Totally agree with you on this Matt, I work in a shipyard and weld for the Navy. They are great at Demo and layout but they hire our company to weld all the Beams, Columns and structural supports of many USS ships!! I took and passed 4 welding tests to get those welding jobs and the success rate is 2 out of 12 pass the first 2 entry tests!!
Reply:Nuke school is not terribly hard..... It takes a lot of study and commitment to excel...If you score over 95 on your ASVAB your recruiter will push you towards Nuke.... You then count as "2" recruits towards his quota........ And you enter boot camp making E3 pay... And upon successful completion of A school you are E4 meaning more money and a Chevron......I was a Nuke Machinist Mate..... It was rewarding......... And not hard...... Just study and work hard....Regarding welding...... As a nuke you will almost never weld..... Ever......Seabee is the way to go.......Also..... Enter as enlisted..... Then go for OCS......... If you succeed... You will be "discharged"...... Go to college on the Navy dime..... Then you must commit to 5 years as an officer.... You will get E5 pay while in school....... And you will be a Butter Bars (ensign) when you go active again......Precision TIG 185 and MP 210Bobcat 225NTCutmaster 42O/A tanks.... 2 Argon tanks...... 2 C25 TanksFacebook...... F2 Metal WorksETSY....... https://www.etsy.com/shop/F2MetalWorksF2MetalWorks.com....... http://www.f2metalworks.com/
Reply:So many Navy thoughts...... I have been home nearing 15 years or so......No matter what you learn in school prior to the Navy.... If you weld...... You must do it EXACTLY like they tell you...... No dimes.... You will have to unlearn a lot...... And do it their way.....Be ready to do as told....... With that..... The Navy is great for a resume.... For the rest of your life...... No matter the job.......Precision TIG 185 and MP 210Bobcat 225NTCutmaster 42O/A tanks.... 2 Argon tanks...... 2 C25 TanksFacebook...... F2 Metal WorksETSY....... https://www.etsy.com/shop/F2MetalWorksF2MetalWorks.com....... http://www.f2metalworks.com/
Reply:Here is my 2cents.I am an Active Duty Navy Chief (screenname) so I have a first hand view on your questions.Navy Nuclear Power school is not really that hard. Been there, done that, got kicked out of prototype after an encounter with law enforcement. Acedemically it is challenging due to the pace of the training. If you have a solid background with chemistry, math and physics you would do fine. With that said, Nucs' don't really do that much welding. The HT's do. The Nuclear welder certification was disestablished by the navy for a while due to thought of saving money, but is making a comeback(they didn;t save and $$, civilians cost more). There are not very many of them on active duty right now and it is a hard school to get. The HT's do mostly menial welding tasks on the ships (welding brackets and such) due to current outsourcing from the job screening process. Most welding jobs, especially structural aluminium (5XXX) get screened to a shipyard. In San Diego most of those jobs go to BEA, Epsilon, South Coast, or PCE. If you choose to go HT you will have to be eligable for a security clearance, so be upfront wiht any debt and law enforcement involvement you have had. BTW. HT "A" school only has about 3 weeks of welding in it now. It is mostly CBT (Computer Based Training), and is taught in Great Lakes IL. If you have any other questions just ask.
Reply:Have you looked into the aviation side? I'm an I-level airframer in the USMC. The Navy counterpart is an AM. (formerly AMS) Was deployed on the Enterprise back in 03. We mainly do tig. Mostly aluminum and inconel.At workMillermatic 252Syncrowave 250DXAt HomeLincoln Pro Mig 140Lincoln AC/DC 225/125
Reply:Also a Navy Senior Chief here. If you want to weld I would recommend the Seabee Steel Worker route. I have worked on ships upwards of 10 years and the HTs do very minimal welding. They will braze some pipes and make the random bracket or shelf, but any technical welding is done by the shipyards. We hit a pier once in Brazil and the HT Chief made some crude repairs to maintain structural integrity of the side of the ship just to have the shipyard cut it all out and fix correctly.I also would not recommend the Nuke route if you like working with your hands.
Reply:Hey (CHIEF) and (RYANJAX) are either of you HTC'S
Reply:FCC, Non-Aegis, prior MMI wouldn't want to be an HT either.
Reply:Navy HT1 here, 18 years.If you truly want to learn to weld, HT not SW is the way to go! Get your a guaranteed welding "C" school before you sign anything, do not sign without it! After "C" school get on the USS Frank Cable ASAP and stay there as long as you can. You will have a 4955 NEC "High Pressure Welder", try to get to the Ship Fitter shop (shop 11A) immediately! This is the structural welding shop where you do ALOT of fabrication! After a couple years there, try to get into the Weld Shop (shop 26A). This is where the high end welding is done. In both shops you will be working within THE BEST QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM in the world to guide the way you weld on various parts of submarines. You will be preforming repairs that are usually done at a DEPOT level (ship yard) and can affect the lives of entire crews on the submarine when at depth.Somebody stated that HT's are good in shipyards while SW are good for builds and such. NOT SO! Any where an SW can get a job an HT can as well, however you can not go the other way, they do not have the knowledge or skills necessary to conduct the welding of SUBSAFE LEVEL 1 components (you will learn the terms, just understand that if they fail, the sub sinks!) they do not follow the Joint Fleet Maintenance Manual (this is the NAVY's QA Program). As an HT your welds will be subject to Visual Testing, Ultrasonic Testing even Radiography to determine if your welds are sat.I this has helped!
Reply:Just found this old thread....some what of a stroll down memory lane.Ex Navy HT2. Served from Aug 75 to Aug 81. Graduate of C-1 welding school.From 77 to 81 I was assigned to shop 26A on board the nuclear sub tender AS-37 at the Point Loma sub base. Before that I did a year on board the "Pig" (ASR-21). If you've every seen the old Charlton Heston movie "Gray Lady Down" you've seen the USS Pigeon. I reported aboard for duty about a month after they'd finished up filming.This is the Dixon in the lagoon at Diego Garcia tending to business in 1981. We'd taken a work boat over to a Destroyer moored near by that was scheduled to come along side next to look at some repairs it was needing done.
Reply:One of my son-n-laws is a rigger at sub base Bangor, in Silverdale Washington. He is in the crew that moves the subs around all the time. Of course he can't talk about most of the things he does with the subs. Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Boilermakers union is the way to go. Lotsa skills and a world future.You also won't get roped into WW3 fighting imaginary enemies. I tried the socialist club listening to some pantywaist ex hall monitor with stickers on his shirt and delusions of "superior-itty".I (thought) I wanted to go there to kill gooks for revenge of my cousin and brothers deaths.Unbeknownst to me, at the time, I should have gone to the Pentagram for that . They did me a huge favor.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:I've worked around and with a number of "Boilermaker Union" hands since getting out of the Navy in 1981. For the most part I haven't been all that impressed. They tend to be a little to whinny for my personal taste in co-workers.
Reply:Originally Posted by 4956I've worked around and with a number of "Boilermaker Union" hands since getting out of the Navy in 1981. For the most part I haven't been all that impressed. They tend to be a little to whinny for my personal taste in co-workers.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPThat's not a union thing! That's an American thing. No one wants to work hard anymore, but want high pay for doing nothing.
Reply:Originally Posted by 4956Oh man, I know I'm probably going to regret this in the cold, hard, sober light of tomorrow morning, but........[Liquored Up Rant Mode: ON]Bullshlt!!! That most definitely is a "Union" thing. You can roll your eye's and shake what ever finger you want trying to pretend otherwise but the reality of the situation is that Unions have been one of the primary vectors that's allowed that particular mind set to spread thru out our society to the extent it has. BoilerMakers Union hand my a$$. All I'm hearing is the squawking of a useless little yard bird that's presumed to intrude on a conversation amongst his betters.
Reply:I am a former Army Welder (Metal Worker) it is now a 91 series M.O.S. I believe. When I went over to the National Guard I had a couple guys who were prior Navy Machinists, SeeBees, and Welders. From what I understand out of all the branches the Navy has the best welders. There is more of a variety of critical repairs to be made in the metal working trade then there would be on land vehicles and components. Even though it has already been said the Navy can get you nuke certified which sits pretty on any civilian resume. Good luck in your future career in the Military!FLASH ME.... I'm a welder
Reply:Soon as your employer can find someone to do it faster, you're down the road.
Reply:Boilermakers union is the way to go. Lotsa skills and a world future. |
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