Opinions on .030 vs .035 on Miller 211 please

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Ive been using the .030 Lincoln L-56 Superarc on my Miller 211 with typical 75/25% gas shield mix.  Since I've been welding 1/4" and thicker, I don't know if there would be any added benefit to moving up to .035 size mig wire.  Can anyone let me know if it's better to use on thicker steel with my Miller 211, running on 230 volts?  Is there that much of a difference?   I'm a stick burner and have limited mig experience. Thanks. "Hey I didn't come to look and learn, I came to turn and burn.... If I can't light up, I'm gonna light out!"-JodyIdealarc 250 "Fatman"MM 252MM 211 "Little boy" Victor Torches
Reply:Miller recommends .035 solid wire for thickness over 1/8". Looking at the specs on the wire from Lincoln and the amp/volt chart on the machine from Miller, it looks like the two wires overlap over much of the same area, which somewhat matches what Miller shows on the chart they have for wire size and thicknesses.  .035 looks like it tops out just a bit higher in short arc from what Lincolns chart shows. I like to keep .030 wire in my machine simply because it's a better "generic" wire for both thick and thin. If I need to do a lot of 1/4" and thicker though I either change the roll in the machine to .035 wire or go make use of the XMT's at the tech school that are loaded with .035 wire and 92/8 so I can get up into spray mode..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Why don't you buy a 4" spool of wire and find out?Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:i was always told that the 030 and 035 there is no difference if you want a difference jump to 045Lincoln Power Arc 4000 Thermal Arc Fabricator 252 iThermal arc 186Thermal Arc 26 tigTweeko 200 amp spool gunHobart AirForce 400WP-17V-12R
Reply:Hello ANVIL, likely the difference might be something like this: if your feeder is capable of running a high enough speed you can provide enough .030 wire to push the machine to it's maximum output. If not, you may need to jump up to the .035 wire to be able to do this. Personally, if I was using the 211 I would probably go with the .030 wire, it'll do everything that you would like to do as you kind of already made the statement that it works well for thick and thin. Just my $.02. Best regards, Allanaevald
Reply:The .035 will let you use the top end of your machine much easier. Plus you'll be able to run the middle ranges at slightly lower wire speeds. General Wire Burn Off: .023 -3.5  ipm = 1amp  .030 - 2    ipm = 1amp .035 - 1.6 ipm = 1amp .045 - 1   ipm = 1ampGeneral Usable Amp Range:.023 = 30-90 amps.030 = 40-145 (190 max) amps.035 = 50-180 (280 max) amps.045 = 110-360 (flat) amps Of course these numbers are an average of several vendors and tutorials."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Originally Posted by aevaldPersonally, if I was using the 211 I would probably go with the .030 wire, it'll do everything that you would like to do as you kind of already made the statement that it works well for thick and thin. Just my $.02. Best regards, Allan
Reply:Originally Posted by ANVIL  Kinda saves one a little bit of cash too by hearing an opinion, instead of running out and just  "buying" stuff just to try it out.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonER70S-6 Welding Wire .035" 2 Lb. (4" Spool)ER70S6-035-02Elsewhere: $6.91 Welding Direct Price: $6.28    http://weldingdirect.com/mister2lbsp41.html Definitely not worth the expense, especially since your setup is ill equiped for it.
Reply:General Usable Amp Range:.023 = 30-90 amps.030 = 40-145 (190 max) amps.035 = 50-180 (280 max) amps.045 = 110-360 (flat) amps
Reply:Originally Posted by k45Would that suggest for welding the heavier thicknesses, .035 would be better to match the max out of the Miller 211?  Or am I misunderstanding?Ken
Reply:I Run .035 on mine 90% of the time - anything from 1/8 to 3/8 no problem
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcWhy don't you "donate" a roll of that wire for him then, since you have money to spend?  Don't forget to add shipping too.  He'll probably thank you for volunteering there rich guy.  ps:  Ron Paul is loosing, ain't he???
Reply:I run .30 on every thing I do...I have ran both and have not seen any difference in them...just more work to swap them over...Miller 211 & Spoolmate 100Miller Diversion 165Miller Spectrum 875
Reply:In theory, .035 wire would make the best use of the max. output of the MM211. However, some welders just seem to run certain sizes of wire better than others.I would second the idea of trying the .035 wire to see which works best for your situation.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:Originally Posted by Silicon-basedIn theory, .035 wire would make the best use of the max. output of the MM211. However, some welders just seem to run certain sizes of wire better than others.I would second the idea of trying the .035 wire to see which works best for your situation.John
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonPurty much sums it up.Offer of free roll  of .035 ends next Thursday Mr. Anvil.
Reply:Well how about Praxair/Reno? It is right by the airport. Do you get your gas there? Can I have a roll put on will call there?Praxair Gases and Gear96 Glen Carran Circle #101  Sparks, NV 89431(775) 355-5882Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:I ran my first spool of .035 wire through my MM211 today and I was very impressed with it. I've been welding a lot of 1/8" angle and todays task called for 3/16" walled tubing so I pulled out my .030 and put in the .035. My machine seemed to really enjoy the change the starts were smoother and the sizzle sounded smoother as well. The wire I used was Hobart and it created very little spatter, I have tried the Lincoln SuperArc and I had as much filler on the workbench as in the weld.MM211Rigid chopsawDelta Drill Press
Reply:Looking at the specs on the wire from Lincoln and the amp
Reply:Anvil, I see you can't drive and it must be hard to get around old timer.  I got the message and I sent you a PM. I'll mail you a couple of spools of .035.  Yeah, it's that easy.  "will call" ???????????????????????? Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcAnvil, I see you can't drive and it must be hard to get around old timer.  I got the message and I sent you a PM. I'll mail you a couple of spools of .035.  Yeah, it's that easy.  "will call" ????????????????????????
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonWell good on ya!
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcAnything to help a WWII combat vet.  I don't play games, nor am I all "talk."
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonYou walk on water.Originally Posted by SuperArcI'm glad you recognize that fact.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcAnything to help a WWII combat vet.  I don't play games, nor am I all "talk."
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonNow that is a great miracle.    Fuzzy math.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcAre you still here? Talk is cheap. Mail him some wire or get off your soap box. "will call" LMAO.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonI thought you did that.Yes, will call, maybe you are right, an 85 plus year old WW11 vet may need a ride.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonI thought you did that.Yes, will call, maybe you are right, an 85 plus year old WW11 vet may need a ride.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonBesides, you won. Enjoy it.
Reply:Top o' the morn to ya .Mr. Anvil. Do your in-laws operate their restaurant anywhere near Airgas, McMasterCarr, or Grainger. Any one of them I have an account with.You never did let me know where you get your gas.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.