HELP Arc welding Horizontal fillet

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Hi guys i am having trouble welding a horizontal fillet weld i have drawn up a picture of what is happening i am teaching myself mainly but i cant seem to get it right if someone could help me would be great i am using  E60133mm flat bar100 ampsThanks Alex
Reply:What rod and metal thickness ? Running AC or DC ? OOPS. Got it !Last edited by Burpee; 04-11-2014 at 04:38 AM.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Here. This one's pretty good.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:dc+ 3.2mm rod 3mm steel
Reply:If your machine has AC try running the 6013 that way.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:That's actually more of a flat weld  than a horizontal. On a weld like that, hold your rod angle at 45 degrees to the joint then lower your hand a wee bit more to direct the end of the electrode a little more on the upper piece of metal. Watch the puddle and ensure it is washing onto both pieces. You may have to use a slight up and down oscillation to ensure you get even wash in on both pieces. Direct more to the upper piece and let gravity and your electrode manipulation help you. Don't move too fast. Let the puddle wash in onto both pieces before you move too fast. Keep your arc length, rod angle and travel speed consistent. By the looks of your pic, your puddle is only getting onto the lower piece I metal. 7018 would be much better for this in my opinion. 6013 has such a heavy slag.Last edited by snoeproe; 04-11-2014 at 06:39 AM.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:I hate to sound like me again, but.....7018 has much more controlable slag/puddle in my opinion.Might get some 7018, 3/32in or 2.4mm.....Do they have 7018 in New Zealand???Here's what 7018 can do on 1/4inch steel.Screw the 6013. IMO not very humble either!~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:What's that garbage on the C clamp?
Reply:Originally Posted by Old SkoolWhat's that garbage on the C clamp?
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopLets see your weld like mine.A 17year old 200amp inverter, with thousands of hours, cold LH-78 1/8 7018, on rusty steel, to bright of lens in your helmet, gloves with holes in them, oh, 135amps to.Anyone???I thought I would get at least 2 likes. ~John
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPSee if you can get the slag of 7018 to curl up on the inside of a piece of pipe. 7018 open root pipe welding.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPSee if you can get the slag of 7018 to curl up on the inside of a piece of pipe. 7018 open root pipe welding.
Reply:Sorry guys.... I Should of know better....My bad.I cant help you with 6013....I'll take my 7018 somewhere else.BTW, What did I challenge???Does everyone else's 7018 curl up like that, or did I just think it was something special???I thought my effort was worth a slight compliment....Guess not.~JohnLast edited by AKweldshop; 04-11-2014 at 08:36 PM.Reason: epic rageJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopI thought my effort was worth a slight compliment....Guess not.~John
Reply:Ok then,What was your land, gap, and amperage etc????~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:1/16” land, 5/64” gap, 3/32” 7018 @ 70-amps.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by AlexnzlHi guys i am having trouble welding a horizontal fillet weld i have drawn up a picture of what is happening i am teaching myself mainly but i cant seem to get it right if someone could help me would be great i am using  E60133mm flat bar100 ampsThanks Alex
Reply:7018 slag curls up on its own like that when the temp of the parent metal is just right and a decent weld is laid down. If the parent metal temp is too hot or cold, you won't see self peeling slag.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproe7018 slag curls up on its own like that when the temp of the parent metal is just right and a decent weld is laid down. If the parent metal temp is too hot or cold, you won't see self peeling slag.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEP1/16” land, 5/64” gap, 3/32” 7018 @ 70-amps.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopHave your blood pressure medicine ready....~John
Reply:6013 likes to "wander" a bit in a fillet...........turn it up a little and shove it in and drag it.........keep the slag outta the puddle...............It's almost impossible for me to "tell" you what rod angle, amps, ect ...to use.........you just have to do it and see it and feel it.6 Miller Big Blue 600 Air Paks2 Miller 400D6 Lincoln LN-25's4 Miller Xtreme 12VS2 Miller Dimension 812 4 Climax BW-3000Z bore welders Hypertherm 65 and 85Bug-O Track BugPair of Welpers
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopDoes everyone else's 7018 curl up like that, or did I just think it was something special???I thought my effort was worth a slight compliment....
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopHave your blood pressure medicine ready....~John
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcHe probably got excited  the first time the slag peeled back on him.  Probably  like 35+ years ago if I had to guess.Old fart. I didn't turn metal red until 1966. Oh Shlt Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:6013 likes to "wander" a bit in a fillet...........turn it up a little and shove it in and drag it.........keep the slag outta the puddle...............It's almost impossible for me to "tell" you what rod angle, amps, ect ...to use.........you just have to do it and see it and feel it.
Reply:Just give me a couple years, I'll be back, with some 7018 roots, that look good.I'll get there.Thanks for the encouragement....~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopJust give me a couple years, I'll be back, with some 7018 roots, that look good.I'll get there.Thanks for the encouragement....~John
Reply:I'll try and get some coupons, and try it.I'm to busy to be playing....But, 7018 roots must be the macho thing around here, so I'll work on it, and will get you some pics....~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by ExpatWelder6013 likes to "wander" a bit in a fillet...........turn it up a little and shove it in and drag it.........keep the slag outta the puddle...............It's almost impossible for me to "tell" you what rod angle, amps, ect ...to use.........you just have to do it and see it and feel it.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopSoooooo,That means.....My weld is pretty good?????
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopI'm to busy to be playing....7018 roots must be the macho thing around here
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPBut yet you're playing on the Internet?I wouldn't say that it's macho. If you know how to read the puddle, and know how to make corrections on the fly, it should be a piece of cake.
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshop3/32 uphill is "easy" for me,
Reply:Have great day you guys.~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopSoooooo,That means.....My weld is pretty good?????
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopif 6013 works, use it.... Heck! I just bought 2lbs of 1/16 6013 yesterday.  Every rod has its uses,~John
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopI hate to sound like me again, but.....7018 has much more controlable slag/puddle in my opinion.Might get some 7018, 3/32in or 2.4mm.....Do they have 7018 in New Zealand???Here's what 7018 can do on 1/4inch steel.Screw the 6013. IMO not very humble either!Attachment 690581~John
Reply:Originally Posted by docweldernow if you want to do you some crowing weld some pipe using 6013 with that lacing technique and then you can say you got some skills.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPWhere's Pipe Fitter / Flange Jockey? The man is amazing with 6013.
Reply:I never challenged anyone, they just want to poke fun at my weld on scrap metal, in less then perfect conditions....I weld for a living, mainly equipment and farm machinery, and my welds that I did on a truck hitch, are pulling 20,000lbs without a problem....You must realize, 6013 across the pond, is far superior to our 6013.I've been through pipefitters threads, and have deep respect for him and his work.... I never said I was better than any of you guys.Don't take this as a challenge, critism, cheap shot, bash, or insult....This is a pick of a truck and trailer.Each of those bales weigh 1,000lbs....There is ten bales on that load, we've hauled up to 20 bales on that trailer.If you don't believe me, this summer when we get to hauling bales, I'll get pics and vids of it.I mounted that bed on that truck, and put the hitch on the back.If you want to poke fun at my humble work, saying that if I want be called weldor, than I should do 6g titanium duplex and inconel....Well,Welding isn't always the in shop on a comfortable stool, and speedglass helmets.This is a forum for many different fields of welding, we cant all do everything....~JohnLast edited by AKweldshop; 04-13-2014 at 05:09 PM.Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopI never challenged anyone
Reply:He poked fun at the c-clamp....What was I supposed to do???I said look at the weld on top, and see if you can make it look like that with the things I used....If you want to laugh, and say, "that's cute, but really make it look like my welds then I'll give you thumbs up instead of a middle finger.... Well, someone could of said, "that looks good"???Just forget the whole thing, and when you guys say we have to see your welds, before you can inspect others welds, I'll say I showed my 7018 bead, and got laughed off of WeldingWeb....~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:I think the problem here is, you're fishing for compliments on something we see daily. Slag curling up is no big deal. It's not that this is a tough crowd, it's just we are not as impressed as you are with something so simple. But let's put this behind us!So, how did you do with open root pipe welding with 7018?Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPSo, how did you do with open root pipe welding with 7018?
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopHope you understand where I come from with this long thread.~John
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI think the problem here is, you're fishing for compliments on something we see daily. Slag curling up is no big deal. It's not that this is a tough crowd, it's just we are not as impressed as you are with something so simple. But let's put this behind us!So, how did you do with open root pipe welding with 7018?
Reply:I have thick skin, I just wanted to clear up this mess, and not just leave.I've taken my share of insults, no stranger to them....BTW,here's my 1/16 6013.Gave $5 for them, I'll see how they work on 16g.Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Also,This has been a major hi-jack.You 6013 masters had better get to helping our new member, he's probably sitting there wondering what happened to his thread.I'll take the 23hits over 3hits.Personal preference, again....Happy Sunday.~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024