38% faster than acetylene

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I have a friend who attended the 30th annual Ironworkers Instructor Training Program in Michigan last week and he was telling me about a new cutting fuel he saw there called MG2.  From looking around the internet (and this forum) I realize there was a lot of controversy surrounding the company (MagneGas) and their fuel, but that was from a long time ago.Please know I am not here to start any commotion by debating over whether MG2 is real or not.  My buddy’s word is good enough for me and the independent verifications from Edison Welding Institute stating that MG2 cuts 2” carbon steel 38% faster than acetylene and consumes 34% less oxygen on a track cutting system should be good enough for anyone else. My question is if anyone here has experience using MG2 or the original MG1?  I am planning on getting a hands on demo in a few weeks and excited to give it a try.
Reply:Interesting. I wonder how the price compares to acetylene? The website seems pretty sparse of actual technical info, such as combustion temperature etc.
Reply:I heard the same company is making the newest, coolest hard hats too!Certified to wear backwards!Look! Everyone is already using them!  Attached ImagesDave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by DeuceTrinalInteresting. I wonder how the price compares to acetylene? The website seems pretty sparse of actual technical info, such as combustion temperature etc.
Reply:I am looking at some pics right now on the Magnegas facebook page from the Ironworkers convention last week.  There is a guy going through what certainly looks like 18 inches of metal.
Reply:it's been around for 7 years.  never heard of this newfangled cutting marvel. never heard anyone mention it but i'm wondering if the welder's at city college are using it in their maint shops?i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderit's been around for 7 years.  never heard of this newfangled cutting marvel. never heard anyone mention it but i'm wondering if the welder's at city college are using it in their maint shops?
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Now that's funny as hell right there
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749For your viewing pleasure..http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...light=Magnegashttp://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...rn-in-the-hot-seat&highlight=MagnegasYup, this dead horse has already been beat plenty here.
Reply:Originally Posted by Hotplate ...MG2 goes through steel 38% faster and uses 34% less oxygen ...
Reply:Originally Posted by HotplateTell ya what, not making any promises but I am going to contact the company and see if they can ship me a tank of MG2.  If shipping, fuel, & tank deposit is not too outrageous, I’d be happy to drop ship one to a curious mod here who would like to give it a whirl (at no cost to you, provided of course you agree to return the tank when you are done!)Come to think of it, I would imagine the company should cover round trip costs provided you post a honest review when you’re done testing it out.  I seriously do not work for the company but whatever.. doesn’t really matter one way or the other.Send me a PM of your most well respected & experienced metal cutting mod here interested in giving MG2 (“Magic Gas”) a trial and writing a review – I will see what I can do.  Fair enough?
Reply:Maybe Mr. TIG could gives us an experts findings after some rigorous testing.
Reply:Thank You Steve I read the past posts on this and will write it off as Bull S#%t  2.0.   Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:~ ~ Read All About It! ~ ~ Attached Images"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Originally Posted by HotplateAs I mentioned, I am fully aware of the previous threads on Magnegas and have examined them, but those comments (some from  years ago) consist of opinions and conjecture from people who never used Magnegas but apparently convinced themselves it had to be some kind of scam because it was marketed as a “green” cutting fuel. (which I do understand because everything else out there that says its “green” usually needs to be supported by our tax dollars & subsidies as free markets won’t use inferior fuels or products just because they are deemed politically correct.)Unlike 3 years ago though, this new version of their fuel, MG2, debuted last week in front of experienced metal workers (hands on demos) with independent 3rd party testing results from the highly credible Edison Welding Institute that showed MG2 cuts 2” carbon steel 38% faster than acetylene while using 34% less oxygen.If that doesn’t at least even raise an eyebrow of mild curiosity with anyone here then I suppose I am beating a dead horse. Tell ya what, not making any promises but I am going to contact the company and see if they can ship me a tank of MG2.  If shipping, fuel, & tank deposit is not too outrageous, I’d be happy to drop ship one to a curious mod here who would like to give it a whirl (at no cost to you, provided of course you agree to return the tank when you are done!)Come to think of it, I would imagine the company should cover round trip costs provided you post a honest review when you’re done testing it out.  I seriously do not work for the company but whatever.. doesn’t really matter one way or the other.Send me a PM of your most well respected & experienced metal cutting mod here interested in giving MG2 (“Magic Gas”) a trial and writing a review – I will see what I can do.  Fair enough?
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Reply:LOL @ ManoKai..Truth Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Is it propalene based like Mapp was ,a old Airco product and FG -1 from Linde? We use natural gas cut 17 inch thick with it. Petrogen uses gasoline and is great.
Reply:Bottled Obama farts, they cut deeper and hotter and are much greener. Available for a limited time only.Mr. HE
Reply:Originally Posted by hddnisBottled Obama farts, they cut deeper and hotter and are much greener. Available for a limited time only.Mr. HE
Reply:I'm satisfied with the oxy/propane process for myself as an amateur weldor.   For me, Acetylene comes in second place due to cost etc....  Propane is so easy to acquire and acetylene is in second place.  "MG2" on the other hand, good luck getting that fuel and at an affordable rate.I myself am set up to cut 8" thick steel with oxy/propane and I can't imagine that I'll ever need to cut that thick... With this "MG2" fuel, I can't see it ever surpassing acetylene, propane or propylene for both pros as well as amateurs.  Last edited by SuperArc; 07-26-2014 at 05:45 PM.Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Looking into it a little further...It seems they are mostly selling a waste management process, one byproduct of which is a fuel that is similar to natural gas and/or hydrogen?They claim a lower HAZ which is a characteristic of oxy-hydrogen cutting. There are commercial oxy-hydrogen generators sold to industry for fueling cutting torches, I don't know how popular they are.What doesn't fit is that they claim a higher flame temp than acetylene and hydrogen has a lower flame temp, so it must be more than just hydrogen. Anyway, if you look at it as a fuel generator/waste management process it starts to make sense, large volume users often make their own gases on site because it is cheaper.If they have a running generator set up it makes sense that they would sell the gas, so you could have a local supply of it and local shops would switch if it worked better and was cost competitive.I'd try it if they were local, but I have a habit of liking new things.Mr. HE
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749X 2!
Reply:Originally Posted by hddnisLooking into it a little further...It seems they are mostly selling a waste management process, one byproduct of which is a fuel that is similar to natural gas and/or hydrogen?They claim a lower HAZ which is a characteristic of oxy-hydrogen cutting. There are commercial oxy-hydrogen generators sold to industry for fueling cutting torches, I don't know how popular they are.What doesn't fit is that they claim a higher flame temp than acetylene and hydrogen has a lower flame temp, so it must be more than just hydrogen. Anyway, if you look at it as a fuel generator/waste management process it starts to make sense, large volume users often make their own gases on site because it is cheaper.If they have a running generator set up it makes sense that they would sell the gas, so you could have a local supply of it and local shops would switch if it worked better and was cost competitive.I'd try it if they were local, but I have a habit of liking new things.Mr. HE
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyThat's the impression they are expert at imprinting however I don't know that even today they are licensed to do waste conversion on a large scale. Most of their feed stocks have been new antifreeze or fresh vegetable oil. Note their wording always states "can be made from" bla bla bla, not "is" made from. Where is the "new fuel" you ask? Well it's going to be here any day . Of course after this post they'll be back with their usual snake oil talk, spin and obfuscation. BTW the MSDS on their old gas shows it is Hydrogen, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide. I'd bet the new fuel has more magic dust in it.Thanks for the input guys.  For the record, I am NOT a Magnegas salesman  Everything I said here was true  – including my more than GENUINE interest in learning more about the new fuel [MG2]  the company just introduced along with market perceptions/opinions of it from others in the metal working industry.  My motivation & passion for the company is actually not to promote “green” “Obama farts” but to destroy them.  Magnegas hasn’t received one single DIME of your tax dollars and not only does it burn cleaner than any other fossil fuel [OR any other tax-payer “GREEN” FUEL scam] it also OUTPERFORMS them.  Again – the Edison Welding Institute confirmed that MG2 [created from cooking oil] cuts 2” carbon steel 38% faster than acetylene.  [this is NEW evidence/validation btw, it wasn’t available years ago when the internet “skeptics” began trashing the company]The NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT has now begun using Magnegas instead of acetylene in their rescue cutting applications & I expect the US Navy will be making it official soon.   [The Navy holds the Edison Welding Institute in very high regard]Anyone curious should really check out the Q&A session for MG2 that just put up on youtube: search “MagneGas 2 Webinar Q+A”MG2 is for REAL guys – you don’t have to believe me, ask for a demo tank and see for yourself.   Either MG2 instantaneously* brings metal to kindle/cutting temp – or it does not.   [*as in virtually instantaneously -as in like 1 second].  You simply cannot “fake” that.  Did the government/politics SCREW up science like every single other thing they have touched?  If you don’t understand the scientific part of how this is possible – I CAN explain.  It’s actually quite easy to understand.  I have about 500 posts on another financial forum which pretty much addresses every single objection you can think of.  I will avoid providing the name of that internet board to avoid off-topic ‘promotion’ here but I post under the name DonBorghi for anyone interested.Please keep an open mind – I can assure you, the ‘skeptics forum’ member posts some of you referenced here have NO idea what they are talking about.  THANKS!
Reply:One more thing – I realize I have no credibility here so perhaps an endorsement of someone you know and trust would help at least get you to consider that just MAYBE Magnegas2.0 works as advertised??On their facebook page, they just put up a picture of Paul Sr. from Orange County Choppers with Magnegas’s CFO from an apparent meeting they just had.  I can only imagine they brought a tank of MG2 for Paul Sr. to try out.  I am NOT at this moment saying Paul Sr.  does or will ever, endorse or stand behind MG2 performance [as the only thing I know is they had a meeting]… BUT… if he does, would that turn anyone’s head?
Reply:Originally Posted by Hotplate. . . I am NOT at this moment saying (He)  does or will ever, endorse or stand behind MG2 performance [as the only thing I know is they had a meeting]… BUT… if he does, would that turn anyone’s head?
Reply:Anyone have a link to good composition specs on this gas & process, without the hype?  As in flame temperature, flame zones, chemistry of combustion stages and the like.  It should be relatively easy to demonstrate why it is different even if the subtleties are a bit of a mystery.Edit:  Oh, yeah, how can you oxidize steel 38% faster than using Oxygen as a cutting gas?"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:The way I see it, until it's at every gas supply company as readily available as oxy and acetylene I don't think it will ever hit the small production and hobbyist market. Who wants to go through the trouble of tracking it down or even hoping you can find another bottle when yours runs out?  Plus I'm sure it's only a matter of time before California tells us it causes cancer or some other weird side effect!!How did we get back on this "magic" gas anyway?Real welders know how to penetrate!(Equipment)Whatever can be used to beat my opponent into submission!
Reply:Originally Posted by HotplateOne more thing – I realize I have no credibility here so perhaps an endorsement of someone you know and trust would help at least get you to consider that just MAYBE Magnegas2.0 works as advertised??On their facebook page, they just put up a picture of Paul Sr. from Orange County Choppers with Magnegas’s CFO from an apparent meeting they just had.  I can only imagine they brought a tank of MG2 for Paul Sr. to try out.  I am NOT at this moment saying Paul Sr.  does or will ever, endorse or stand behind MG2 performance [as the only thing I know is they had a meeting]… BUT… if he does, would that turn anyone’s head?
Reply:Originally Posted by HotplateOne more thing – I realize I have no credibility here so perhaps an endorsement of someone you know and trust would help at least get you to consider that just MAYBE Magnegas2.0 works as advertised??On their facebook page, they just put up a picture of Paul Sr. from Orange County Choppers with Magnegas’s CFO from an apparent meeting they just had.  I can only imagine they brought a tank of MG2 for Paul Sr. to try out.  I am NOT at this moment saying Paul Sr.  does or will ever, endorse or stand behind MG2 performance [as the only thing I know is they had a meeting]… BUT… if he does, would that turn anyone’s head?
Reply:Originally Posted by HotplateThe NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT has now begun using Magnegas instead of acetylene in their rescue cutting applications . . .
Reply:Hotplate, admit you are with the company.. Send me and 2 other WW members torch/hoses and a cylinder full of fuel and we will test it.. Who else wants to try it? Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749It's a marketing gig Joe. Prolly either bought into it or works for a company that has and works this, along with many other cold call accounts.Could be wrong, but it just don't jive to me man.IMHO of course
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Because he has a cool mustache Duane....Everyone knows that!
Reply:Please keep an open mind – I can assure you, the ‘skeptics forum’ member posts some of you referenced here have NO idea what they are talking about. THANKS!
Reply:BTW, I know this has been mentioned a hunnert times but I was under the impression that the 'O' in the oxy-fuel process did the actual cutting. Once the preheat was/is acheived then we kick in the 'O' and the rapid oxidation begins. Is there an active component to the magnegas that actually reacts with the 'O' and molten metal to increase the rapid oxidation? Nah, I doubt that. Then it wouldn't be oxidation, it would be magne-oxidation, and you guys could market it that way.  Perhaps the preheat could be sped up 38% (long shot) but that still wouldn't account for the entire cutting process being 38% faster. Unless you cut nothing but one inch pieces. "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:For the record, I am NOT a Magnegas salesman 
Reply:BTW, nothing against any prospective Magnagas spokesman, it's just that the last of what little credibility celebrity endorsements carried went out the window back when John Wayne was telling us about all the health benefits of cigarette smoking.
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugHotplate, admit you are with the company.. Send me and 2 other WW members torch/hoses and a cylinder full of fuel and we will test it.. Who else wants to try it?
Reply:Originally Posted by Oldendum I always thought that flame cutting of steel was accomplished by OXIDATION.  Get a cut started and you can frikkin cut without any fuel gas in some cases.
Reply:First you say all this crap in post #1.:  Originally Posted by HotplateI have a friend who attended the 30th annual Ironworkers Instructor Training Program in Michigan last week and he was telling me about a new cutting fuel he saw there called MG2.  From looking around the internet (and this forum) I realize there was a lot of controversy surrounding the company (MagneGas) and their fuel, but that was from a long time ago.Please know I am not here to start any commotion by debating over whether MG2 is real or not.  My buddy’s word is good enough for me ....
Reply:Originally Posted by HotplateBrilliant – lets get the MAGNEGAS MG2 CHALLENGE going – who else wants to TRY and destroy my investment and send company officers off to the clink?