Stick welder remote control?

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Hello guys, iam a new welder here, I live in northern europe and i make my living welding with stick and tig.I have been reading forums, and watcing videos about welding.One thing keeps bothering me, i havent seen a single remote control, used in stick welding videos, and no one even discuss about using one, with astick welder. Where i live, we allways use a hand remote control, when welding plates or pipeand personally i think that its almost impossible to weld stainless steel pipes without remote control. I hope that you can understand even half what I am trying to say here I dont speak english very often so its kind of hard for me to write it also. But i would be happy if we can have I nice conversation about this subject.
Reply:Hf start and foot pedals with stick are fantastic, but its got general practice.  In a shop I could see it, but in the field, its too impractical to use.To add, when I qualified stick ss pipe, 2" sch 160, I didn't use / wasn't allowed those fancy options.Sent from my HTC ThunderBolt using Tapatalk 2
Reply:Yes foot panels are impractical, but have you ever seen a hand remote?It can be used allways, it doesent matter where you weld. And we use it allways,in welding test's and working. In this video you can see the remote in use. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpAFvwR3l-o[/ame]
Reply:Hmm that doesnt look like a handy remote, do you use it when you are welding?Or do you stop welding and then change amperage?Kemppi remote is used while you are welding. Esab andFronius uses similiar remotes as kemppi also.
Reply:Yes I am referring these finger remotes  Its allways in other hand, when using a stick welder.Why dont you use it when welding stick? I think that remote is more usefull with stickthen what it is when welding with tig. But thats just me talking.
Reply:The make remote controls for remote Amp adjustment for most Engine drives, but they are not used during welding just to turn amps up and down while in the field so when you change position or switch from 6010 root to 7018 cover you do not have walk 100, 200 feet back to your welder.  Imagin sitting on top or under  a 48 inch pipe and trying to do a tie in.
Reply:Remotes that we use are used to change amperage while you weld. So if your machine can give 200 amps, you can change the amperage to 0-200 while you are welding. So it doesnt matter white size of a stick you have, you can change the amperage with your mask on your face, while you weld. Im sorry that i cannot explain this so well that I should. I aint good enough writing english.. :/
Reply:I'am living in Finland, mostly i have been working at finland or norwey or in sweden..I weld only with stick and tig, so I dont know so much about mig/mag welding.I weld mostly at paper mills, and in oil rigs, so must of the welds are x-rayed.But everyone in here uses finger control machines.
Reply:Like I said, in a shop, absolutely it would be a benefit.  But in the field, it's something else to get stolen, and another cable that you have to run 100-200 feet.  If it's not 100% necessary to do your job, then it's not something that gets set for you to do your job.
Reply:I can take pictures of my welding equipment sometime, but not right now. Hmm, I would run that one extra cable for remote. I usually tape remote cable together with stickholder cable, so its easier to take it with you. But  usually we have small welding machines with us,  so we dont have to run those cables so much. I have seen a video where miller shows that remote control without a cable, but you cant use it when you weld I think, so its not the same thing as kemppi remote.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t56mQSiDnX4[/ame]I found another video, where remote control is in use.Last edited by Svetsare; 11-04-2012 at 08:24 AM.
Reply:"you don't need that goofy ****.  suck it up and weld it.  Oh yeah, WPS says uphill only."
Reply:Wps says a lot of things  Do you now how good that weld looks when you turn it like that and go downhill? and its a fast way to weld with stick. I would love to see how those pipes are welded in your country. Do you have videos how its done with stick welder?
Reply:In nuke world, if you don't follow wps, you're fired.  Uphill should be just as pretty as downhill, and you can't "turn" in-position welds How do you weld heavy wall pipe here?  You put the rod in your holder, and you strike up.  Same principle, except you physically control the puddle with travel speed/angle/arc length. *just do it*
Reply:Wps is not so important, if your weld passes x ray, inspectors usually dont give a crap how it is welded, the quality of the weld is what matters. Thats how it goes here.When you weld stainless steel pipe uphill, it comes pretty yeah, but when you go downhill it gets very pretty.  I should post some pictures so you can see the difference, but i dont have any pictures yet, I try to get some photos tomorrow
Reply:If my NDE inspectors saw a downhill weld, we would have to cut it out and do it again.  In nuke power plants (where I work), QC can and will come up and inspect your WPS and work to ensure you're following procedure.  We once went on a 7-day hold on a job while our weld engineers went back and forth with plant QC because we were using a #12 cup on our robotic welder, and WPS called for a #10, and our argon flow was 5cfh higher than wps spec.WPS is THE rule, not a guideline that you can throw out the window.
Reply:Well I dont want to argue about wps. Its not the point right now.Almost everyone here weld downhill when you can roll the pipe, like in the video.When pipe is in location, where you cant turn it, it is welded like the wps says, uphill.
Reply:Yep things can be done differently, and I dont want to start a war on here I am so lost when you are talking about sticks, you have 6014, 7018 and so on and so on. Here we speak 1,6mm 2,5mm ,3,25mm and so on. Maybe I should come to visit states and learn how things are done there. Oh I forgot to mention, that downhill welding is done only with stainless steel, black iron is welded uphill, becouse thosesticks what we usually use (esab 48.00) cant be welded downhill.Last edited by Svetsare; 11-04-2012 at 10:32 AM.
Reply:Some USA remotes. Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:That tig torch with remote is something that I want to test someday.I havent seen that kind of torch in anywhere here. Looks like a handy tool to me,
Reply:I like that Kemppi remote! One project I've had on the "back burner" for a while is to make a remote for stick welding with a range of, say, 40% to 100%. Standard TIG remotes go from 0 to 100% but no stick will burn well at less than 40% of its max. current.The remote pot for my welders (Lincoln and Thermal Arc) is 5K, so I was thinking an odd 3 or 4K pot (I find a lot of unusual value pots in old equipment) in series with a resistor. As far as the physical shape goes, I might have to steal that Kemppi design. JohnLast edited by Silicon-based; 11-04-2012 at 12:32 PM.Reason: Wrong electrical valuesA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:That kemppi remote goes from 0-100% Its usefull when you stop welding stainless steel, you can low amperage so much down, that only the arc burns, no molten metal is transformet to the weld, so you can do a slope, like in tig, and there is no hole in the end of the weld.I dont know if you can understand what I am saying here, this professional language is pretty hard to me. :/ I dont know all the right words.
Reply:Originally Posted by SvetsareI dont know if you can understand what I am saying here, this professional language is pretty hard to me. :/ I dont know all the right words.
Reply:Hahha  I think I have seen and I didnt understand a bit. I need wordbook, where is all welding language finnish-english.
Reply:Svetsare,I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but the reason we don't use remotes WHILE stick welding is that the amperage on US made transformer type arc welders isn't designed to be changed WHILE welding.   There's a sticker on all the machines I've used that says "do not switch while welding".Lincoln SA 200Esab Caddy 160Thermal Arc 201TSMiller Dialarc HFI don't like making plans for the day because then the word "premeditated" gets thrown around the courtroom....
Reply:I have used the pedal remote while stick welding with my old 330 a/b pDynasty 200DXPassport plus w/ spoolmate 100victor 315c oxy/(act and prop)Miller digital elitemilwaukee power toolsOriginally Posted by dubl_tSvetsare,I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but the reason we don't use remotes WHILE stick welding is that the amperage on US made transformer type arc welders isn't designed to be changed WHILE welding.   There's a sticker on all the machines I've used that says "do not switch while welding".
Reply:Ok, but to me its odd that lincoln or miller are not making a remote to their welders.After all kemppi and esab has been producing machines with remote control at least 20 years or more.. But things are done differently in every place, as we have been talking earlier.Someone wanted to see a picture of my welder so here it is. Old Kemppi master 1500 in a very messy barn. It has been made in the early 90's I think. It is only a stick welder, not a tig included in this one as you all can see. Place where I work right now iam using a minarctig 150, but I cant take any pictures there, becouse it is forbidden. :/ Attached Images
Reply:Remote costs here about 100€, so I wouldnt try to make it myself. Have you looked for ordering it? Of course self made is allways self made
Reply:http://www.rapidwelding.com/dynamic/...L&o=0&zl=1&sq=There you can order it, but it comes from uk and seems to be quite expensive and I dont know how much shipping will cost. Maybe it is better to make it yourself. When you learn how to use it, you dont want to weld without it, I promise.
Reply:Originally Posted by LawsonWeldingLLCYour talking about a tapped switch, not a potentiometer, you shouldn't switch the course range while welding when it says do not switch, but u can adjust the fine control, or at least i have many times without a problem.