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I am completely new to welding and plan on purchasing a complete setup. I have been told and have read how good the millermatic 211 is and it does look like an awesome machine. I will be doing STRICTLY hobby work with it. I also looked at the Hobart 210mvp which seems to be a good machine. I can get the Hobart for $400 LESS than the 211. For just a garage toy I am thinking the hobart would work well for me? Is the Miller $400 better that I would need it?? All opinions welcomed. Thanks........Jim
Reply:There has been lots of discussion on this. It all depends on what you like. Here's a few other places you can do a search on besides here.http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ng-Discussions From what I have been reading the 211 is the hot setup. Not sure how much more it would cost but by me you can get it for $1005.00http://www.weldersupply.com/products...es|Mig+Welding Check your local suppliers and see what they say for prices and models. The suppliers by me don't even handle Hobarts. All MILLER and LINCOLN. Gotta go to big box store for the Hobarts. If you price used Millers they try to get new prices for old machines. I think Miller has a better resale value if you ever decide to up grade. http://store.cyberweld.com/homigweneha2.html 210, $972.00 http://store.cyberweld.com/mi211migwewi.html 211 $1074.00 What are the prices you got ? Where ?
Reply:Miller owens and builds Hobartwww.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:The miller is gonna cost in the range of $1075. I can get a 210mvp for $780. I am sure the miller is better but like I said above do I need the greatest for just screwing around on weekends???
Reply:The Hobart is a Miller, Get the Hobart, You'll save money and get just as good of a product. I may be a bit bias...There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerThe Hobart is a Miller, Get the Hobart, You'll save money and get just as good of a product. I may be a bit bias...
Reply:Hobarts are sold through big box stores and other channels at a lower price point than Millers. Millers are sold through professional welding supply outlets.Millers are painted Miller Blue, Hobarts are gray. There may, in my opinion, be a minuscle difference in output current ratings.I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:like nadogail said, you would have to look at the numbers. i think there are small differences but like you i'm just messing around with it in my garage. i was in the same situation as you a few months back and i decided to go with the Hobart and i'm very happy with it.
Reply:I bought a Hobart 210 MVP when I upgraded from a MillerMatic 140 Autoset. I really wanted to go to the Miller 211 but the 160 buck price difference for my area I couldn't justify it. So far I love the Hobart and it is virtually the same a the 211 sans the Autoset. If my Miller dealer would have come down to less than 100 I would have bought the Miller.,
Reply:Thaks for the opinions. I want one for weekend fun and maybe even make a nice project. If this were needed for a business I might go higher end machine. I think the hobart will suite me well?
Reply:Originally Posted by mechanic416Miller owens and builds Hobart
Reply:Originally Posted by hammer0419I'm leaning Hobart. At $400 less........ I can buy other supplies with the $ saved and probally still pocket a few bucks?
Reply:The Handler 210 MVP is a quality unit. I suspect you'll be pleased with it for home hobbyist type usage.There have been a few threads popping up lately about the MM 211 letting out smoke. Hopefully these are just few random cases, and not the first signs of some wide spread epidemic.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1From your postings, it appears to be closer to $300. Where you buying from ? Is this a welding supplier ? Are you gonna need a tank ? Where you gonna get supplies ? Might wanna check on a package deal and see what comes up. There was a post where someone did this and got the 211 for only dollars more from a welding supplier.
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1 The suppliers by me don't even handle Hobarts. All MILLER and LINCOLN. Gotta go to big box store for the Hobarts.
Reply:i found a tank on CL for a good price. better than renting i think.
Reply:Originally Posted by superwelderi found a tank on CL for a good price. better than renting i think.
Reply:Originally Posted by DanInternational Tool Works (ITW) owns Miller and Hobart. The Hobart MIG units are not built by Miller. They are built by Hobart in Troy, Ohio.
Reply:Originally Posted by kctgbI think you have been told the wrong story. I live 25 miles from Miller in Appleton WI and I have talked to a miller representative and he told me all the wire machines for Hobart and Miller are made in Appleton. The only difference in the two is the Hobart has a plastic drive housing and doesn't have auto set. The components on the inside are identical. Miller is blue and Hobart is white. I have a Hobart 210 MVP and it's one of the best welders I have ever used and I have used many welders in my 30 years of welding. Don't hesitate on a Hobart and save some money. By the way, Miller, Hobart, Smith, and many other companies are owned by Illinois tool works not international tool works.
Reply:Originally Posted by DanOops, I don't know why I type International when I knew it was Illinois.For several years now, I've had direct contact, Via E mail, With the Hobart engineer who designs the electrical circuitry for the Hobart MIG units. Nice guy, especially considering, over past few years,he has sent me the entire Hobart MIG line-up to play with. My statement for where the Hobart MIG units are built comes from him.
Reply:infinite adjustability is a large step above tap adjustment.Dynasty 200DXPassport plus w/ spoolmate 100victor 315c oxy/(act and prop)Miller digital elitemilwaukee power tools
Reply:Originally Posted by turkinfinite adjustability is a large step above tap adjustment.
Reply:I may be fooling myself but AutoSet sounds like an electronic gizmo for people who can't read the wire speed/ voltage chart, or can't turn a dial themselves. Just something to break.I have a tapped HH 140. Infinite I'm sure is nice for some people with a wide variety of metals / thicknesses and situaations, but the limited choices of a tapped mean I have less to screw around with, and it's very easy to dial in. When I get a good dial in for a particular wire / metal, I write it on the chart inside the hood so I don't forget how my machine likes to be set. Easy peasy.Hobarts are fine machines, and far more than the home schmo will ever need. You're done searching, go buy it.
Reply:Below is some info that I received from Hobart today.Hi Dan, All of the Handlers, IronMan 230, StickMates, and Trek 180 are built in Troy, Ohio. Miller and Hobart used to be competitors prior to ITW purchasing both of us. Now, we use the brand differentiation to target different markets. Hobart is focused on the retail market and Miller is focused on the industrial market. We currently also manufacture the Champion 145 and Champion Elite at this facility. The Hobart products made in Appleton, WI are the AirForce plasma cutters and the EZ-TIG. We also manufacture the Miller ThunderBolts here in our facility. All of the Millermatics are built in the Integrated MIG Systems facility in Appleton.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:Dan I trusted you knew what you were talking about. Thanks for all your help.Originally Posted by hammer0419Dan I trusted you knew what you were talking about. Thanks for all your help.
Reply:No right or wrong thing ment. Just knew you had quite a bit of knowledge with Hobart. That ironman 230 looks really nice but just much more than I need. Thanks for all the info.
Reply:OK, sounds like we need prices for the 230 ! It's never too much machine. Duty cycle is something to consider too. With the 230 you could weld almost non stop all day and not have to worry. Tack it up and weld, weld and more weld !
Reply:[QUOTE=BD1;1262361]OK, sounds like we need prices for the 230 ! It's never too much machine. Duty cycle is something to consider too. With the 230 you could weld almost non stop all day and not have to worry. Tack it up and weld, weld and more weld 
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