Generator question

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I have an 8000 watt generator with a 60 amp max. And I just got AC225 and redid the plug on the welder to hook up to the generator (L14-30 30 amp plug) for now until I get some proper wiring done at our shop. Do yall the generator has enought power to run it?
Reply:Many will say it is too small of set to operate the welder but I can run mine, (older unit) from my Coleman 5K portable set. I only run 1/8" rod with it however and have never used anything larger with this combination.SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....
Reply:Trust me it will only put out 60 amps for a fraction of a second.It will run it just not very well.8000 watts means you can only get 33 amps out of it on a continious basis.I bet it will run an 1/8 inch rod any way you want, 5/32 it may not even run hot enough.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:Yeah I only use up to 1/8" but mostly 3/32". It is temporary only. I'm gonna get a 50 amp outlet put in our car shop when I get some more money up.
Reply:truth of the matter is you probably can't break anything by trying it. There are almost no moving parts and virtually no electronics inside an AC225. It is just a big transformer. You need 47 amps to run it at max power, but who ever runs these things that high? With 1/8th inch 6011, 6013, 7014, and 7018AC, you may never exceed 140 amps. I bet your generator will support that all day long.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:I plan on getting a 50 amp receptacle built on to the generator by an electrician. Because having the 30 amp plug I rewired on the welder causes the breaker to trip every now and then. It has handled it well so far.
Reply:Originally Posted by cole_977I plan on getting a 50 amp receptacle built on to the generator by an electrician. Because having the 30 amp plug I rewired on the welder causes the breaker to trip every now and then. It has handled it well so far.
Reply:Scratch the generator idea. I'll just stay with getting some wire ran in our shop by a local electrician with proper amperage and that stuff.
Reply:Originally Posted by cole_977Scratch the generator idea. I'll just stay with getting some wire ran in our shop by a local electrician with proper amperage and that stuff.
Reply:I'll just stick with getting the shop wired.
Reply:Originally Posted by cole_977I plan on getting a 50 amp receptacle built on to the generator by an electrician. Because having the 30 amp plug I rewired on the welder causes the breaker to trip every now and then. It has handled it well so far.
Reply:Just get on ebay and buy an adaptor cord to go from your generator to your welder.If the generator does not have a 30 or 35 amp circuit breaker, don't do it. Do not put a larger circuit breaker on there. My generator just dropps its speed off before it trips the breaker most of the time, it has a 30 amp square D breaker.I would charge some one well over $100 to wire in a plug on a generator. An adaptor cord will be a lot cheaper. Rewiring a generator kind of sucks, I have done it.If you have a 30 amp breaker, it will likely actually trip closer to 40 amps under most conditions.If you try to get too much power out of your welder the generator speed and line voltage will fluctuate, you wont be able to weld at all like that. You will keep turning it down lower and lower and using ever smaller electrodes until you can start an arc and run a stabile arc.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:I don't know where you guys get your info from. Direct from Lincoln, It's on the AC/DC unit, but the only real difference is the DC rectifier in the AC/DC machine vs the AC only unit....http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...ze-detail.aspx It appears that a 5000 or 6000 watt 230 VAC generator is large enough to operate my AC/DC 225/125 welder using a 1/8 inch diameter E6010. Please confirm.It does appear (if you do the math) that you should be able to use 1/8 in. and smaller diameter electrodes with an AC/DC 225/125 powered by a 5000 or 6000 watt generator. Unfortunately, the design of the transformer on the AC/DC 225/125 is not efficient enough to be powered by a small generator. If you try and weld with this combination you will most likely experience the electrode being hard-to-strike and also the electrode frequently sticking to the work.If you are fortunate to establish an arc, the arc will tend to pop out frequently. Also, there will not be adequate heat input to the work, resulting in low weld quality (poor fusion), and poor bead appearance.To successfully run your AC/DC 225/125 welder you would need a minimum of a 15,000 watt AC generator.
Reply:Oh yeah that's right, I cheated. I run DC and power factor correction. I can get all I need from clothes dryer circuit to burn everything but an 1/8 inch 7024.Being limited to clothes dryer circuit is just a contingency plan for me.How about this, just plug the welder in the generator and see what it can do. Bring different 3/32 and 1/8 rods, maybe even some 5/64 rod to test and only plan on being able to use it on thinner metal.You will be adjusting how you weld to try and keep the generator running smooth. Its loads of fun. You will likely find that you will want to switch to less amps and smaller rod to keep the engine from bogging and surging.This is why purpose built engine drive welders are so awesome.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:I'm no expert in the arena and certainly offer no challenge to conventional wisdom or proven theory, but my older AC-225 unit will run 1/8" from my little generator set; how long, or how much current, I haven't any idea. The last little job I did using this setup was mounting a small winch to an inexpensive car hauler type trailer using a cut up bedframe for the donor materials. Not very thick material and the rod was new 6013 from the hardware/farm store. If my G-213 would have been running good enough to use at the time it would have been used, but the job was obligated to so I was compelled to follow through. The setup is what was readily available so pressed into service. Subsequently the carburator was replaced wholesale on my welder rather than monkey with the worn original. I didn't have any problems using this admittedly rickety setup, but all welds were less than a single rod length, and it's been too many years to remember much more than that.It is not something I would plan on doing again unless the scenario dictated the action which is unlikely.Hope all have a good day.Thanks,SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....
Reply:Amperage used as far as machine setting? I was able to run 1/8" 7014 down to stupid low amperage numbers on that fence job. That didn't make what came out what I would call "welds". That it stuck metal together would be generous at best.I'll admit not all similarly numbered rods are created equal. I was very surprised at what the suggested amp settings were on some 6013 Hobart rods were that some one posted up a while back. They were much lower than what is typically recommended by other companies for use with their version of 6013 of the same size. I'll also admit that older gennys  tended to be a bit better as far as output as they didn't over rate those machines as much as they do today. Today most are rated at surge power not continuous output, and even then those ratings are very generous in relationship to what you get to use from one in the real world.Combine low amp rated rods with a higher than typical output genny of  that "size", and run amps on the uber low side with questionable weld results, and this may actually "work". The question is if it's really practical to do so for the average user. The answer is almost always "no".Cost of a suitably sized genny to power one of these machines almost always exceeds the cost of buying a small used dedicated generator welder..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWI'll admit not all similarly numbered rods are created equal. I was very surprised at what the suggested amp settings were on some 6013 Hobart rods were that some one posted up a while back. They were much lower than what is typically recommended by other companies for use with their version of 6013 of the same size.
Reply:I'm thinking they were "Forney" branded rods but am not certain. That brand is familiar in the farm stores around here. I can't remember settings but it was two "steps" above the circled amount. I've not used that welder in quite some time and am around too many others to remember each step. I also keep calling that generator set a "Coleman" which is in error, (I do have two Colemans); it is an Onan and about 1962 vintage so quite a bit better constructed than today's hardware store variety. One would think I'd remember that as many years as I've had it.SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....
Reply:Originally Posted by SlobI'm thinking they were "Forney" branded rods but am not certain. That brand is familiar in the farm stores around here. I can't remember settings but it was two "steps" above the circled amount. I've not used that welder in quite some time and am around too many others to remember each step. I also keep calling that generator set a "Coleman" which is in error, (I do have two Colemans); it is an Onan and about 1962 vintage so quite a bit better constructed than today's hardware store variety. One would think I'd remember that as many years as I've had it.