CE on Chinese welders

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I have in my hand a small calculator .It has on the back:Electronic CalculatorCE 2008Made in China.Ok its just a cheap calculator.But one small fact shows the disdain SOME show the CE stamp......I bought it last year!A good guess is better than a bad measurement
Reply:You misunderstand. The CE the you see there is not the one that shows it meets certain European standards. It means CHINESE EXPORT. As china is farther east than most of us they reached 2008 before us. Those of you in Australia just forgot to reset your calenders.
Reply:Most people bought their 2008 cars last year, too.  I think Ford set a record when the '97 F-150 came out in FEBRUARY of 2006, IIRC.
Reply:Also likely is that it means it was already made to certain CE standards that were set to go into effect in 2008.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWYou misunderstand. The CE the you see there is not the one that shows it meets certain European standards. It means CHINESE EXPORT. As china is farther east than most of us they reached 2008 before us. Those of you in Australia just forgot to reset your calenders.
Reply:The CE mark means nothing, all it means that a product can be moved around the euopean community, as it can be self certified, that what the Chinesse do, they have not had the equipment tested like product in the USA under the UL certificateBeer is a sign that god wanted men to be happy
Reply:There are many Chinese-made products that are UL-Listed.  There are also many American-made products that are not.  But I do get your point.
Reply:My understand that if a product did not conform to UL standards it could not be connected to the electricity supply. Some people are under the impression that is a peice of equipment was made using all ce marked components that their product meet the ce requirements, and self certified it them self without any checks to see if it actually does meet standards. This is where the confusion comes inBeer is a sign that god wanted men to be happy
Reply:Certification requirement depend upon the application.  I don't think UL is required for anything.  CSA is usually the standard for hazardous areas.I just saw a thread on another site about bogus Chinese circuit breakers that had the CE mark.  Wonder how many fires they caused...America Needs AMERICA'S Oil!!!"Global warming is the greatest scam in history ...There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril."--John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel
Reply:UL, Underwriters Laboratories, is a private company that lists devices that meet their criteria.  They exist because of their reputation for testing.  While there may or may not be SOME areas that require a UL Listing, it is by no means mandatory in a general sense.A UL-Listing is very expensive for a manufacturer to aquire.  They will only do so if having that Listing means they will sell more of the product.  Yes, there are many contracts that might require UL-Listed products be used in an installation.  This is an easy way for a specifier to get "quality" equipment without specifying brands and models, in many cases.IIRC, the Hobarts and lower-class Millers, for example, are NOT UL-Listed, but are CSA-Listed, Canadian Standards Assn.  I assume because this is a cheaper Listing to achieve, and most won't notice it doesn't say "UL" on the box.  It used to be a much bigger deal than it is now, particularly among well-known names.Another example, if you read through the National Electric Code, it often requires "Listed" devices.  It doesn't say that that "Listing" has to come from UL.  It would just have to come from an organization that is recognized by the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction).  These days, CSA is a common substitute.Last edited by MAC702; 05-07-2008 at 07:00 AM.
Reply:I'm not certain, but I think the UL listing applies mostly to consumer items.  The refineries, gas pumping stations, and chemical plants I used to sell to would specify CSA approval for various hazard classifications.Getting electrical devices approved for use around explosive gases, dusts, etc. is very expensive!America Needs AMERICA'S Oil!!!"Global warming is the greatest scam in history ...There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril."--John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel
Reply:Sorta/kinda right.The story a few decades ago was that "Wall warts" were the direct result of UL testing requirements.e.g. It is easier, cheaper and faster to get a 110 volt transformer and rectifier producing 12 Volts DC through UL certification than to get the whole product through.So, build the complex (stereo or whatever) to run off 12 volts DC and CERTIFY the wall wart that makes 12 volts dc from 110 AC.  Use the certified bit for several different home entertainment devices, none of which need to be certified because (supposedly) they are not domestic fire risks, since they don't plug into domestic power outlets.