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to obtain a freggin owner's manual?  Century wants $8.00 for one and even then the web site states "within 24 hours".  Do they not know that each of us has a given amount of time on this planet before we expire?  And we each have goals we'd like to reach before doing so?  They have stated plainly that their goal is to obtain $8.  So if I give them what they want....and it will be withdrawn from my banking account immediately....rest assured....why when we all know that the executive piece of garbage took off this week and next...i cannot move forward with my life.  In addition, there are some fellow Americans who have this very document and refuse to share it for what ever reason.....I suppose because they get part of the $8?Power-Mate 40/20 Plasma Cuting System 118-004Century, Powermate, Dayton, Snap-on: 2040, 4020, 5Z031, YA2001
Reply:Example: I gift the following. Yeah, I paid $20 for it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxl...ew?usp=sharing
Reply:Are you seriously complaining about waiting a day and paying $8.00?Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Read the post title and thought maybe this was a question your wife was asking, but after reading the post, 8 bucks is not so bad for a manual.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveAre you seriously complaining about waiting a day and paying $8.00?
Reply:You wasted time making this threadEd Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Actually, I love myself everyday.Last edited by 12345678910; 12-19-2014 at 11:37 PM.
Reply:It's not hard.   It's just worth more to them than it is to you.If it's paper, how much does it cost to have someone print it out, address and envelope and mail it?   How much does it cost to keep that web server running 24 hours a day for years just waiting for someone to ask for a manual?   How much did they have to pay a webmaster to create that web page and the software that takes your order?It sounds like they are selling it to you at somewhere around cost.Now ask yourself... Why is it so hard to keep the owners manual that is so rare and valuable?Dan----------------------------Measure twice.  Weld once.  Grind to size.MIG:  Lincoln SP100 TIG/STICK:  AHP Alphatig 200X
Reply:I wouldn't waste my time(or money) on a Century welder either.
Reply:If your time is so valuable why would you waste it complaining on the Internet to a bunch of people you don't know?$8 and 24hrs seems quick and cheap to me. Cheers AndrewWIA 270amp Mig Transtig 200 AC/DC Tig/stickHypertherm PM45
Reply:If its an old century, what model?  I have a 230/140 manual I could send you.30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30"  vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:I'm not going to quote one person here, I'm just going to make some general statements.I was asked why I'm complaining to a bunch of strangers.  Answer: i do not believe we are strangers.  We are fellow Americans and are friends by default.  We have more in common than not.  We may not be best friends, but we're certainly not enemies.  That leaves one thing...friends.One individual stated they would not waste their money on a Century.  Well, there's nothing wrong with that.  However the implication is that I did.  I didn't.  A friend bought three of these machines and two Miller Arc welders at auction.  I suspect he did not pay much but I didn't ask.  He asked for help to get them working so that me might sell them at a reasonable rate and then be able to feed his family.  Given I will and have put in time and labor and now effort explaining to other adults the pitfalls of making assumptions, I will also use monies earned to fulfill my obligations as a male, as a father and as a husband and a fellow US citizen.Another individual makes the assumption that i did not keep a manual.  See above.  As a 15 year software veteran and cum laude graduate with a degree in computer information systems, I am well aware of the reasoning behind charging $8 and how that amount relates to the cost of making it available.  I am also aware that if that functionality is made available, there is no need for it to take 24 hours to fulfill the order.  I am also aware there may be technical difficulties which delay the delivery of one's electronic document purchase and therefore the 24 hours is used to keep people from bitching and complaining while they fix the issue.  If that's the case, then state so.  "Normally documents are delivered immediately or access is granted immediately, but in the case of a rare technical difficulty..etc...."
Reply:Did your tree run off and leave you? You seemingly are looking for arguments/turmoil/conflict where none need to exist. I'm quite comfortable stating we really don't need that. Friends take care of one another and your posts do no such thing and are very self serving for unknown reason of which I don't really care to change. Please use the door you entered for your exit but be careful to not allow it to hit your backside.SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....
Reply:Good Grief! It was just a joke. Maybe we're acquaintances? If your friend is buying unknown welders at auction and hoping to make a profit selling them to feed his family, perhaps he needs to rethink his priorities?
Reply:Yeah I think some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.Oh we're not all Umericans either!Cheers AndrewWIA 270amp Mig Transtig 200 AC/DC Tig/stickHypertherm PM45
Reply:Those who complain the most, usually have the least to complain about!  I wonder if the OP is president of his local home owners association?  Seems to have the right attitude for it.   I recall how a similar recent narcissistic members thread about being wronged by corporate America ended badly.  Your true colors will be exposed.  Might be best to let this thread die a quiet death.   IMHO of course.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawThose who complain the most, usually have the least to complain about!  I wonder if the OP is president of his local home owners association?  Seems to have the right attitude for it.   I recall how a similar recent narcissistic members thread about being wronged by corporate America ended badly.  Your true colors will be exposed.  Might be best to let this thread die a quiet death.   IMHO of course.
Reply:Very simple, lawyers and the US injustice system is destroying America.    Trace everything back to the roots and you find lawyers manipulating everything on behalf of corporations using politicians as the vehicle.   I have said to several people recently that North Korea didn't defeat our first amendment, lawyers did.   Sony and the theaters cancelled the showing because if any injuries occurred or violence, they knew lawyers would sue them and it would cost millions in legal fees even if not found guilty.  It happened with the Aurora Batman shooting.    So American lawyers defeated the 1st amendmentAlso the previous thread I was referring to was nothing to do with you.  Things don't always get interpreted the way you intend on the Internet.   I do find it funny that you were actually on a HOA board though,  no hard feelings.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Everyone here is slowly dying and this thread has now taken and wasted several hours of peoples lives... how does that make you feel?Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:Wow what a speech that was!!! And of course after all the bitching about having to spend 8 bucks and actually have to wait for something to arrive............you hit us with  "  I will also use monies earned to fulfill my obligations as a male, as a father and as a husband and a fellow US citizen"  what a guy!!! In the real world people wait, some people (or most anyway) pay for a service, what makes you special?
Reply:Originally Posted by BrianCWow what a speech that was!!! And of course after all the bitching about having to spend 8 bucks and actually have to wait for something to arrive............you hit us with  "  I will also use monies earned to fulfill my obligations as a male, as a father and as a husband and a fellow US citizen"  what a guy!!! In the real world people wait, some people (or most anyway) pay for a service, what makes you special?
Reply:Originally Posted by kjohnson1 So what did I do?  I intentionally deposited a check that had expired months ago.
Reply:Is this discussion really necessary?.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:There was a Subaru commercial a few years ago about an older fellow that rambles on about little of the original topic................was that you?  And as you posted:  "I did it for you, because no one else will. People say 'just pay it'. To them I say 'You pay it then'. " ,PLEASE,I beg you Don't do anything for me,ever!Last edited by BrianC; 12-23-2014 at 08:47 PM.
Reply:Why don't we kill the topic as it has nothing positive to offer the membership. The OP desires to stir the "pot" for no real reason other than to conjure up argument. This is self serving satisfaction only, (IMO).What good is that if nobody else benefits?SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....Originally Posted by kjohnson1I actually have more to complain about than most.
Reply:Thank you Andrew for your post, that was on point. I however think this fool is not the kind to admit he has it good. He will come back and try to one up you. He will probably try to retell the story of Job (of the bible) with him in Job's place. I digress. Boy, buy you a real welder either red, blue, or yellow and the manual will come with the machine.
Reply:I clicked on this thread because I thought the subject was going to be about the hardness of certain alloys, etc.  Or maybe about a certain metal that was supposed to be softer than it turned out to be.  But shucks, I kept reading on and got sucked in anyway.  Yup, I'll never get these four minutes of my life back, gone forever!
Reply:Auser manual is not going to do much for you, unless you don't know how to weld. You could read a manual for just about any welder and it would tell you the same basic info. Why don't you just quit the complaining and tell us what you don't understand about the welder and you will likely get what you are looking for, unless you have already driven away the help.
Reply:Manual for my welder contains a wiring schematic.  I figured I'd start there.  I hate asking for help for the reasons above.  That's why I know a little about alot of things.  People come to me everyday to fix their problems whether it be to repair a hard good or to analyze a decision making process.  That is my damage.  When asked a question, I will find the answer.  If one comes back and says they found the answer, its too late.  All they've done is change my quest into a verification mission.  Anywho lets see how this goes.  The plasma cutter has some contacts, so I presume its an older model.  When activating the cutter, little sparks come out the end and that's about it.  Given there are three of these machines here, I have taken the best of all the contacts and created a complete set of the best and they are installed.  Same result.  Little sparks.
Reply:Are you looking for new friends? What is your IQ? If it's close to 163, there is someone you should meet.
Reply:You related to Opus by any chance?
Reply:Like the above poster on his Daughters illness (in which I'm truly sorry) - Some of us are living daily with 'real' problems that we have reason to feel mad about or to grumble about, But know better than to just complain. But after you have seen what we have seen and have gone down the road or the years that many of us have.. I guess you won't understand. But I tell you what- We know what 'real' issues are and we know life isn't always a bowl of cherry's so suck it up and be thankful. Right from the heading you approached this with wrong attitude. Better to say: Am I wrong or not realistic to think that...takes this long? - This site and the experience here is not to be taken lightly- Don't waste it because it is a privilege to have many 'experienced' welders here willing to give rock solid advice 'free'. By the way.. I have not complained not once on my Wife's 14 year fight with Cancer (2x breast 1x lungs, I x lymphnodes, now in the final stages of terminal multipule brain cancer. I'm losing her after 40 years of marriage.. But I choose to Thank God for the 40 years of marriage together instead. You my friend (we are friends right..) need to get your act together and realize $8 and 24hr service is rarely that good. You also need to heed what has been said here by us.
Reply:As to manual prices...I remember plenty at a around $100.00 That was ho-hum.$200.00 mighta  raised an eyebrow. Seems like $350.00 got a little scrutiny once. And that was back when a dollar was a ...well, 60 cents, I guess. But still the manual costs  were a  bargain compared to playing blind-man's-bluff with repair work.But $8 today? At that I'd say they're more or less paying folks to buy 'em.
Reply:Originally Posted by FODFALet me tell you briefly about my daughter, she's nearly 15 years old, she has a pink wheelchair, Asthma, Epilepsy, Cerebral Palsy, severe intellectual disability............ I could go on. She has been known to have as many as 3000 seizures a day, She doesn't even understand her own name and she has never spoken a word. She doesn't eat or drink at all, she is fed through a tube in her stomach...... I could go on but I wont.Now please tell me about your problems in this world and how waiting 24 hours and paying 8 bucks was such a burden for you. Give me a break, some people in this world have real problems and just get on with life without whinging and complaining, might I suggest you do the same.Cheers Andrew
Reply:How does everybody feel about inflating tires with nitrogen? how about helium to lighten the vehicle for better fuel economy?An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by willie bhow does everybody feel about inflating tires with nitrogen? How about helium to lighten the vehicle for better fuel economy?
Reply:I think too much and you can float right over them big hills with nary a problem!
Reply:Some self described rocket scientist told me that's how Detroit auto makers meet the EPA standards.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:All this over a Century Welder? I believe you have wasted more than $8 of your Alpha Cum Laude time in this thread. You could have already orderded it and received it by now.-NicheLast edited by NicheFab; 01-11-2015 at 12:13 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by NicheFabAll this over a Century Welder? I believe you have wasted more than $8 of your Alpha Cum Laude time in this thread. You could have already orderded it and received it by now.-Niche
Reply:Originally Posted by kjohnson1The $8 was never an issue gentlemen.  3 Power Mate 40/20 plasma cutters and two Miller arc welders.
Reply:Originally Posted by NicheFabAll this over a Century Welder? I believe you have wasted more than $8 of your Alpha Cum Laude time in this thread. You could have already orderded it and received it by now.-Niche
Reply:Originally Posted by geezerbill...and the kicker is,If OP valued his time as much as he claims, and had things as together as he expects everybody else to...He would have ordered the manual before he actually acquired the machine."Be Prepared"
Reply:Originally Posted by BrianCYet,in your second sentence of a long winded story about nothing,you stated:to obtain a freggin owner's manual? Century wants $8.00 for one and even then the web site states "within 24 hours"
Reply:Now let there be help.  The first plasma cutter I believe the issue is no rectifying to DC.  There are two switches.  One is labeled 'Ready' and when flipped "ON" the machines comes alive, the orange light illuminates and the fan starts.  The second switch is labeled 'DC Power'.  When flipped from '"SETUP" to "RUN" the red light does not illuminate and the machine does not arc.  Of course compressed air is connected.  The air solenoid is working.  There are two red lights on the circuit board.  When the 'READY' switch is 'ON' one of the lights illuminate.  When the 'DC Power' switch is in the "RUN" position the other redlight blinks when button on torch is depressed.I'm going to start by checking the diodes on the rectifier bridge.Oh, on the torch end both the negative and the torch lead have continuity back to the unit.
Reply:After reading all this ..... I could have walked up to the shop and Changed the Summer Air in all the tires  to Winter Air.now I have to sit down and think about how to use my time better.......
Reply:All Diodes are good.
Reply:Originally Posted by Thats HotAfter reading all this ..... I could have walked up to the shop and Changed the Summer Air in all the tires  to Winter Air.now I have to sit down and think about how to use my time better.......