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This was in my local newspaper, it's county funded so students don't pay to go there, but forging certs!!!!POUGHKEESIE >> Four former students of Dutchess County BOCES have sued BOCES over forged American Welding Society certifications given to them after they completed a two-year program.The suit, filed in state Supreme Court in Dutchess County, contends the students were not told of the forgery until after BOCES reached a settlement with the state Attorney General’s Office for deceptive business practices and false advertising.“During their participation in the welding program, [the students] held a legitimate expectation that they would receive AWS certification if they successfully completed the welding program and passed the AWS national competency exam, which they believed BOCES would administer to them at the end of the 2011-12 school year,” the lawsuit states.In March 2013, the state Attorney General’s Office said the Dutchess County Board of Cooperative Educational Services registered in 2006 to become a certified American Welding Society School but never updated its program to meet new requirements.“By [the] 2011-12 school year, the curriculum consisted of nine modules with exams at the end of each, none of which had been incorporated by Dutchess BOCES into its program,” state officials wrote. “Dutchess BOCES also violated another regulation of the ... program in that it never reported any comprehensive exam results to AWS. Because of this failure, students at BOCES could never qualify for a certificate of competence issued by AWS. The students were unaware of this failure.”Both the state Attorney General’s Office and parents found that when Dutchess County BOCES officials were pressed to produce the certification, the American Welding Society seal was added at the BOCES office.“BOCES forged the AWS certificate by Photoshopping the AWS logo onto the certificate it issued to students,” the Attorney General’s Office wrote. “The parents probed further and discovered, by contacting AWS, that AWS had not authorized the use of its logo on the BOCES certificate and that the BOCES course did not comply with the curriculum or tests provided by AWS.”The plaintiffs in the lawsuit are James Harris, Timothy Liebrand Jr., John Roy Schlessman and William Dorr. They are suing Dutchess County BOCES, BOCES Superintendent John Pennoyer, Career & Technical Institute Principal Mitchell Shron and instructor Stephen O’Connor. Neither the superintendent nor an attorney for BOCES could be reached for comment Wednesday. O’Connor, who a receptionist said no longer works with BOCES, also could not be reached.The suit seeks unspecified “compensatory damages, exemplary and punitive damages” and “further relief as the court deems just and proper.”Tim Liebrand, the father of plaintiff Timothy Liebrand Jr. and a former Hyde Park school board member, said the forged certificates left his son with a deep sense of disappointment.“My son is a twin ... [and] had to make a decision whether he wanted to give up a second year of BOCES and graduate with his brother or take a second year of BOCES and not graduate with his brother,” he said.Liebrand, who estimated there were 20 students per year impacted by the forgeries, said the falsified certificates were discovered by a parent who is related to an American Welding Society member.“She kept waiting for her relative to be able to give [her son] his certificate personally,” he said. “He said. ‘We haven’t been affiliated with BOCES in several years.’”Diane Harris said her son, plaintiff James Harris, was “devastated” at learning the certification was forged. She also said many of the students weren’t given time on welding equipment.“The classroom situation was atrocious,” she said. “It was a terrible situation in the classroom.”Harris said that it should concern school districts that money paid over a seven-year period was funding a mismanaged program that did not provide students with the promised certification.“There’s a lot of corruption that’s been uncovered but nobody seems to care,” she said.“They have been doing this for years, so that means there are students out there with false certificates that can get jobs,” Harris added. “What happens if anything goes wrong on a bridge or whatever they’re welding?”The lawsuit also contends that O’Connor “regularly made racial and sexual remarks to the class” and on at least two occasions “insinuated in front of the entire class that [one of the students] is homosexual, which he is not.”
Reply:This stinks royally! There was someone asking about a course a week ago and the school mentioned it used to give certificates and then tried to argue that just passing the course was good enough for potential employers. Hopefully it wasn't something similar to this. All the people involved should be heavily fined and sent directly to jail. The students should get compensated wages they could have made and this school should also pay for them to attend an accredited school like Hobart. I know up here if anyone is caught taking a welding exam under someone else's name or having someone take it for them, it is a serious offence. It actually happened once that I know about. When the instructors from the apprenticeship training looked at the persons ID, it didn't match the person holding it. Before he was prosecuted, one of them left the country.
Reply:Poor students, paying someone and then getting it stuck to them. If the students applied themselves and did feel they were good enough to pass and get certified they should still be able to get jobs. Every area is different and most jobs still have a perspective employ to take the company test anyway. I hope they all get something.
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1Poor students, paying someone and then getting it stuck to them. If the students applied themselves and did feel they were good enough to pass and get certified they should still be able to get jobs. Every area is different and most jobs still have a perspective employ to take the company test anyway. I hope they all get something.
Reply:School certs. Figures.I have seen this over and over again.   I just hired a kid with a handful of cards. Told him thanks, but no thanks. Asked him if he had the WPS, coupons, films, or reports, and he looked a me with a blank stare. Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:I'd like some certs, can I copy, paste, and print some from somewhere?12v battery, jumper cables, and a 6013.I only have a facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTI'd like some certs, can I copy, paste, and print some from somewhere?
Reply:Someone at Dutchess County BOCES needs to lose their job and retirement benefits over this."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Like shovelon says, this goes on everywhere, business as usual.     Local to me, we have a welding school.   Lets call it "abc".    The cheapest course starts around 4000, and goes up from there.  And the shop is full of troubled characters as students.   Nobody wanting to learn to weld, is going to pay thousands of dollars to go there.   OK, NOBODY.    You'd go down and be the gopher at the the local farm blacksmith, and at least get peanuts for it, so noone is going to pay those rates.     ABC students are recently released prisoners.   Your taxdollars goes to supposedly train these guys to weld.   Now, they didn't want to work before they went to prison, so most still don't at this point.   The students always come out of there w/ a handful of certs.   I mean, cmon, abc cant reap all this state money, and these boys leave there w/o there certs.   That aint going to go over very well w/ the state.   But all the local shops, know not to hire anyone from abc.    All local inspectors know they got there certs out of a cracker box.    The owner is as nice as pie though.   He has let me come in, before opening and look at some of those expensive aws books, for procedures etc. at no charge.    He has helped me, and is generous person.
Reply:Originally Posted by 123weldThe owner is as nice as pie though.   He has let me come in, before opening and look at some of those expensive aws books, for procedures etc. at no charge.    He has helped me, and is generous person.
Reply:You have to wonder about some of these schools and what goes on.  My young one went through a full community college course in welding (for an associates degree).  The instructor was old-school.  Old millwright and trained welder. No B.S.  Threatened students with a hammer to the head if they let Oxy/Acet get out of hand.  I finally went down to the college to meet him before he retired.  We talked for nearly 4 hours about my kid, the school, his career and a bunch of kids who had graduated from that program.  He was finally fed up and headed out the door.  The politics in the department were typical.  He just had the balls to do it up to a point.  When it came to the department head/machinist instructor, he was merciless.  Stay on your side of the hallway.  That's an edumacation. "USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:I have had a contractor submit fake welder certificates on a project the company I work for was the notified body.Now here is the fun part:I was the one reviewing the submitted welding book before the work commenced and saw some certificates with my name and signature but the names of the welders did not remind me anything. So I did a little digging and of course they had forged the certificates by photoshopping some other certificates I had issued for that company.Needless to say it did not end well for that contractor... And don't get me started on material certificates
Reply:i believe the d1.1 is a very simple cert to get even for a mediocre welder. the hard part is matching those results out in the field. i was always worried a contractor would use my numbers for an unqualified person after i dragged up.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:I have one that has happened recently also. I'll give you the shortest version of it.I was asked to do a welder certification for a local company covering D1.1 (Structural),D1.2(Structural Aluminum),D1.3(Sheetmetal),D1.6(Structural Stainless),D17.1(Fusion Welding Aerospace Applications). I met with the training person and asked exactly what they wanted done, he wasn't sure but offered to give me photocopies of the previous certifications. I immediately put them in a folder, we spoke for a little while longer, and I told them I would get back to them with a quote. A week goes by and I finally pull all of the sheets out to go through them and immediately go into full on panic mode; I am relatively new to some of the codebooks and the previous certifications look like they are written in a foreign language. Let's call the person that issued these certs person A. Well person A had been the middle man for 2 others companies who were the actual companies that did the test, supposedly. So instead of going to person A, because I have always though he was full of it, I go straight to one of the companies who supposedly did the weld testing. They immediately said the sheets were fake, person A had used a phony CWI name and fake CWI number as well as inserting a fake AWS symbol. The sheets were also filled with gibberish that meant nothing. So I start to look at the certifications from the second company and realize that the same fake CWI number was used and also a fake CWI name was used. Person A had used these testing companies at some point and has been scanning, cut, paste, copied false certifications from these two companies, without their knowledge, for at least the past five years and probably much longer. The real kicker being that he has falsely certified a number of welders at a number of companies for a good number of years. Who knows how much he has made selling these these fake papers, minimum $400 a cert, and some companies had 10 certs per welder. He also convinced the companies that each welder needed to be re-certified every year which is absolutely false unless they don't do work in the specific codebooks for a certain period of time. It's absolutely amazing that he got away with this for so long.
Reply:Certs are usually good for 2 years when you're actually working with them.
Reply:I get guys constantly showing up with a pile of certs........makes ZERO difference to me.  Every single guy still has to pass my tests depending on what his job is going to be.  At minimum he has to pass a 3G and 4G Welder Qualification test using SMAW, FCAW, and GMAW according to AWS D14.3, (I use method A)  All the certs are good for is to get a guy an interview.............and maybe wipe your A$$ with.6 Miller Big Blue 600 Air Paks2 Miller 400D6 Lincoln LN-25's4 Miller Xtreme 12VS2 Miller Dimension 812 4 Climax BW-3000Z bore welders Hypertherm 65 and 85Bug-O Track BugPair of Welpers
Reply:These students possibly wasted two years not getting the education they thought they were getting. The Certificate itself (fake or not) is just paper. However, the REAL certificate says you were at least taught the correct way to do things and to the correct standards, in the opinion of someone Other than the school. Which is important because a school that forges a certificate, probably is doing so because their teaching standards are below par and they know it.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkQualified & experienced at welding scrap metal
Reply:In a conversation over ten years ago I was told that in Alberta they have one full time Mountie teamed up with a government official who do nothing but chase down fraudulent documentation in all the trades.  This is not particular to welding.  A half day on the job and employers can figure it out and give the guy the heave ho.
Reply:Originally Posted by ExpatWelderI get guys constantly showing up with a pile of certs........makes ZERO difference to me.  Every single guy still has to pass my tests depending on what his job is going to be.  At minimum he has to pass a 3G and 4G Welder Qualification test using SMAW, FCAW, and GMAW according to AWS D14.3, (I use method A)  All the certs are good for is to get a guy an interview.............and maybe wipe your A$$ with.
Reply:They should make the "program" pay to re-educate and properly cert the students they screwed as well as typical lost wages for the time spent back in school instead of working.
Reply:Me: "Don't I need to get certs to weld that pipe?"Project manager: "Just make sure it passes UT, I'll take care of the rest"And that is the story of how I became pipe certified......Not proud of that.
Reply:Originally Posted by lotechmanIn a conversation over ten years ago I was told that in Alberta they have one full time Mountie teamed up with a government official who do nothing but chase down fraudulent documentation in all the trades.  This is not particular to welding.  A half day on the job and employers can figure it out and give the guy the heave ho.
Reply:How things have changed. In early 1940's, my Father-n-law came to Louisville from the Country. He made the trip to join the Army as there was a war going on. Anyway, he was 4F due to a medical condition. He left the induction center and saw a line of people. Someone said "They are hire-n" so my Father-n-law got in line. When he got to the table at the front of the line, the lady asked if he had ever welded. He said no. She said, "since you are so highly qualified, you start in the morning." Then she said, "Don't worry, we will teach you everything you need to know." BTW, the Company was Reynolds Metals... and to this day, I have no idea what they were manufacturing (war production), as my Father-n-law never said what was being built.Qualified & experienced at welding scrap metal
Reply:Makes me glad i live in Canada,  where all our trades schools are government overlooked. Not possible for something like this to happen.
Reply:LMAO at the comment above^^  If government is involved you can all but guarantee it is mismanaged and corrupt here in the states.  What makes your government so trustworthy and efficient?I have seen what happens behind the scenes at the welding programs that USDA operates.  The contractors who hold these contracts do everything they can to get paper certifications of any kind for the kids.  Slap an OSHA 30 hour card on a kid,  first aid card, and a AWS SENSE level 1 and suddenly it looks like you really taught the kid something.  All about the paperwork so the people who oversee the program think it looks good  from a statistical standpoint.  Graduates average 3.4 certifications upon graduation.  3 of those are worth less, but don't mind that.You put more faith in government than me. Seems like every other day there is some cya story about corruption or back room dealsMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:You evidently haven't seen the trade schools in Canada. Three to four year program. Ten months of practical training a year in a real job and two months of theory.  All school is paid for by government and so are our wages.
Reply:Originally Posted by iongarYou evidently haven't seen the trade schools in Canada. Three to four year program. Ten months of practical training a year in a real job and two months of theory.  All school is paid for by government and so are our wages.
Reply:Originally Posted by JoedanMe: "Don't I need to get certs to weld that pipe?"Project manager: "Just make sure it passes UT, I'll take care of the rest"And that is the story of how I became pipe certified......Not proud of that.
Reply:I've lived in Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan.  I know all those provinces give money for school.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmshopYou put more faith in government than me. Seems like every other day there is some cya story about corruption or back room deals
Reply:There are plenty of fake welders so why not fake certs to go along with them?...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:I took 2 refrigeration night classes at the Dutchess County BOCES about 40 years ago. I wasn't looking for any certifications, but they didn't teach me much either. I would like to think that the kids who attended the day classes had better instructors, but I doubt it. I know that they didn't have the basic hand tools in the refrigeration class, because I had access to the same tools at night.The refrigeration instructor seemed to know less about refrigeration than some of us students and there were almost no hand tools available, certainly not enough to even supply 3 groups of students (lab sessions were divided into 3 groups of 4 students - 12 class members total). After not being able to do much in the first lab session because of a lack of tools, I started bringing my personal tools. This allowed me to complete the labs, but each night before the end of the lab I had to round up my tools, not only from my group, but from the other 2 groups as well. Finally, some of the other students began bringing in hand tools and this helped. I don't think I learned very much from those classes that I didn't already know, but enjoyed working with the guys in my group, so I kept going until the 2 classes ended, but should have dropped out after the first 2 or 3 sessions. CharleyMiller MM252Miller Bobcat 225NTMiller DialArc HF / DIY Cooler2 Victor O/A TorchsetsMilwaukee 8" Metal SawMilwaukee Dry Cut "Chop" Saw 5 Ton Wallace Gantry Various Grinders, Benders, etc.
Reply:I got put on a job a while back after they threw the original contractor off, turns out they had 4 welders welding with papers that had the same last 4 of the SSN on them but different names.   oddly enough qualified the same day, oh but  none of them had ID's that matched the Names on the papersVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:In Alberta the Gov't used to give you training allowance when you were in school. Now it looks like you have to apply for apprentice income support. From what I've heard it isn't anywhere close to what you used to get and that's if you qualify. I got training allowance when I went in the 80's but in my 2nd year I wasn't receiving the cheques. I finally got 5 of them all in one a couple months later. I almost framed it. It's not often you get $2000 from the Gov't.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonWhy not? Seems like everyone else does. My test labs have to be NADCAP approved, and clearly visible on the test reports. Yet in the field nobody checks nothing.
Reply:thats a shame, wonder if they will be forced to pay for the student's to take an actual cert test.fortunately the school i went to uses an outside testing facility and i got my xrays and papers to accompany my certs
Reply:It's a shame what happened in this instance. I do have some firsthand knowledge of this case though and felt like I had to weigh in. I am good friends with the electrical teacher and the carpentry teacher at this school and they are both very competent, caring, and 'aboveboard ' guys who have helped many high school students train for a successful career after graduation. As I understand it, this welding teacher was a p.o.s. In every sense and the school was wrong to not cut him loose years before this happened. The school had purchased the aws curriculum, had the shop accredited by the aws, and did all they needed to do to be able to award certs to students that met the criteria. Remaining aligned with the aws proved too expensive for the school to continue with for more than a few years. However, the welding instructor continued to tell prospective students that the program was still certified when he knew it wasn't. Most students didn't care about the certs, they were just 16 year old kids looking to learn some techniques to work on their trucks, etc. but the handful of students that wanted to become career welders wanted the certs. When graduation time came, to try and cover things, the instructor conspired with a guidance counselor (who had control over printing graduation certificates) to copy and paste the aws emblem on the students' certificates. I don't know how they ever expected to get away with it, it was ridiculous. The only thing the facility is guilty of is not keeping a closer eye on this joker. This was a plan hatched and executed by oconnor alone. This is a good school which has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I hope that it is not dragged across the coals too much in the punitive phase and that the blame lands squarely where it belongs. The school has since closed the welding program completely and of course, parted ways with mr. Oconnor.The kids got duped and they should be compensated for the cost of equivalent training at a facility where they can really get their credentials.I also want to add in response to charley L's post, the adult-ed teachers that teach in the evening are very different than the teachers that teach the high school students during the day. The day teachers have to be trade professionals and have to get certified by NYS just like a math or English or history teacher. The adult-ed teachers are typically guys or girls that work in their trade during the day and pick up some extra money by teaching a class one or two nights a week. There are nowhere near the same requirements. Having said that, I took an oil burner class there through adult-Ed almost 30 years ago taught by a guy who worked for the local heating company and I learned more than I did in any other class on any subject, before or since.I guess the bottom line is, we all depend on someone to do their job and to be honest. Some people are just better at thi than others- in school and in life.'contaminating tungstens like there's no tomorrow'
Reply:Sorry, but the school is responsible for everything that goes on with its staff involving the students. It wasn't just this Oconner idiot. You said the guidance Councillor was involved too. Don't make excuses, I'm sure other staff knew about it too. How did you find out? I'm sure you didn't hear from the two people you mentioned. Remember how the college played dumb over the Jerry Sandusky abuse? Other people knew what was going on for a long time. That was apparently a really good school too. Teachers can run the gambit from being fantastic to being useless regardless whether they are licensed tradesmen or not. I had a really experienced welding teacher at school and remember him saying a few of the high school welding teachers at other schools didn't have enough experience to be teaching welding. One of them only worked in trade barely long enough to get his ticket. A good instructor makes a HUGE difference. A bad instructor is a HUGE hindrance.Last edited by Welder Dave; 01-31-2015 at 03:05 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterThere are plenty of fake welders so why not fake certs to go along with them?...zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveSorry, but the school is responsible for everything that goes on with its staff involving the students. It wasn't just this Oconner idiot. You said the guidance Councillor was involved too. Don't make excuses, I'm sure other staff knew about it too. How did you find out? I'm sure you didn't hear from the two people you mentioned. Remember how the college played dumb over the Jerry Sandusky abuse? Other people knew what was going on for a long time. That was apparently a really good school too. Teachers can run the gambit from being fantastic to being useless regardless whether they are licensed tradesmen or not. I had a really experienced welding teacher at school and remember him saying a few of the high school welding teachers at other schools didn't have enough experience to be teaching welding. One of them only worked in trade barely long enough to get his ticket. A good instructor makes a HUGE difference. A bad instructor is a HUGE hindrance.
Reply:You put your own comments like this: "I don't know how they ever expected to get away with it, it was ridiculous. The only thing the facility is guilty of is not keeping a closer eye on this joker."Looks like the school was at least somewhat negligent. First you said you have first hand knowledge and then you said as I understand it? If you learned about it from your teacher friends, it's not first hand knowledge, it's third party hearsay. The school would be paying the AWS not the teacher so how could someone from the school not have known? I'm sure the AWS would have been asking for renewal fee's or if the school didn't want the affiliation anymore. Did no one else from the school see the fake certificates. If your friends knew about it, did they report it? It seems like a real stretch that all of these things got missed by everybody else at the school.Last edited by Welder Dave; 01-31-2015 at 01:32 PM.
Reply:I am currently in a 10 week crash course in welding and will hopefully leave with 2 certs but the way I've been told is that the certs are kind of worthless because you are going to have to certify with any company you go to work for anyway...is this not correct? My plan when I get out of school is to become a welders helper and learn as much as I can for however long it takes me to become a competent welder. The school I'm going to has had some hiccups while I've been there and I wouldn't be shocked to hear that our certs are bogus as well even though the school is supposedly accredited.  I am not relying solely on the school for my education as a welder. I just wanted a leg up on the process and I think I am getting that. I have no idea how long I will need to be a helper for (I'm hoping not more than two years) but I am gonna do whatever it takes to get it all down, including blueprint reading. We didn't get much in the way of training in that area. It will be nice to make the good money but if I don't have the skill to hold onto a job like that then I am not doing myself or my employer any favors.
Reply:Originally Posted by iongarYou evidently haven't seen the trade schools in Canada. Three to four year program. Ten months of practical training a year in a real job and two months of theory.  All school is paid for by government and so are our wages.
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveYou put your own comments like this: "I don't know how they ever expected to get away with it, it was ridiculous. The only thing the facility is guilty of is not keeping a closer eye on this joker."Looks like the school was at least somewhat negligent. First you said you have first hand knowledge and then you said as I understand it? If you learned about it from your teacher friends, it's not first hand knowledge, it's third party hearsay. The school would be paying the AWS not the teacher so how could someone from the school not have known? I'm sure the AWS would have been asking for renewal fee's or if the school didn't want the affiliation anymore. Did no one else from the school see the fake certificates. If your friends knew about it, did they report it? It seems like a real stretch that all of these things got missed by everybody else at the school.
Reply:Originally Posted by Kevin G.I am currently in a 10 week crash course in welding and will hopefully leave with 2 certs but the way I've been told is that the certs are kind of worthless because you are going to have to certify with any company you go to work for anyway...is this not correct?
Reply:I see your from the east coast, come to the west and enjoy our free education for trades.
Reply:In Australia I worked for a company that employed about 12 Philippine '457 Visa Workers' as welders. I was there the day that they all got the Certification Certificates that would be recognised here in Australia. They received these certificates without ANY testing whatsoever. All of them were given 'Cert 3 - Fabrication Trade - Boilermaker' certificates, and several also received '1st Class Welder Trade' qualifications on top of that. I am not joking when I say that 3 out of 12 could actually Weld to a professional level, 4 or 5 of them could not read a measuring tape AT ALL (And I am not joking) And non of them had any fabrication ability's whatsoever, 3 out of them was able to communicate verbally using English to an acceptable level. I tell you this not because I am upset that they have taken jobs from Aussies... On the contrary, several of them are now close friends of mine, and are very good people. They came here to better their own lives, and to make 'Western Money' to support their family's back home. This is not their fault...But its someone's. They just applied and payed ALOT of money to apply to come here. Since then the company done a site wide Welding Certification as it was required for contracts that the company was Tendering... 1 out of the 12 passed the welding test... Many failed dismally. This story is my personal experience.
Reply:Originally Posted by castleAll you have got is hearsay, yet you act like you know everything about it. You don't. You're entitled to your opinion like everyone else, but don't start pointing fingers at the school, and other faculty, and the administration when all you know about it was what you read in an online forum thread.And, I suspect you of being a last-word freak.It's time to move on Sherlock Holmes.