Leads for Dialarc

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Im thinking about buying a Dialarc but it does not come with leads. What size leads do you guys use on your dialarcs or similar machines? Also, what size dinse connecters do i need?Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Welding cable sizing:  http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...ng-cables.aspxDialarcs use the Miller plugs, like LENCO LC-10MP, unless someone changed the sockets."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:What size leads?I say get a 1 or 2 gauge work lead with 300 to 500 amp work clamp, go big since you aren't constantly moving the work lead and clamp around. Also go big on the work lead because chances are you wont know its heating up until it starts smoking.Then get a 4ga stinger lead for smaller stuff, under 150 amps. Also a 2ga stinger for when you are welding battle ship armor. As long as you aren't planning on really long leads.The 4ga stinger is easier to move around and work with, you will like it for most jobs.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:2/0 is big enough....... I've run 1/0 at 175amps, for a small period....Find a good deal on 100' of it, cut it in half, tweco stinger and ground clamp, and your in business.Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:You really only need #2 cable for a Dialarc 250. Buy you 100 ft of it and cut it 45/55 or however you like. Get a 300 or 400 amp work clamp and a 200 amp stinger for normal use and a 250 or 300 amp stinger for the bigger stuff.GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:Electron Beam Technologies Dec. pricing - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Elect...220821211397332g (35 mm sq) EBT Part No. 69-PXL...... $1.07 per foot1g (43 mm sq) EBT Part No. 84-PXL...... $1.30 per foot1/0 (54 mm sq) EBT Part No. 107-PXL...... $1.63 per foot"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:You will find that most if not all "250 amp rated stingers" will heat up when put to the test by a dialarc.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:I know i need a hf box but what else would i need to run tig with a foot pedal?Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoI know i need a hf box but what else would i need to run tig with a foot pedal?
Reply:Do the newer Dialarcs have DINSE connectors?
Reply:I think they have posts with a nut so you can attache any type of connector you want.GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:From the looks of it in the latest manual, they are posts with a nut.  The older ones without a lower panel shield like my 1974 are the Miller plugs."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:The particular machine i am looking at has four wires in  the power cord. Is that for 3 phase? If so, how can i wire it for single phase 230v?Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoThe particular machine i am looking at has four wires in  the power cord. Is that for 3 phase? If so, how can i wire it for single phase 230v?
Reply:Also check in the manual to see if you may need to change jumpers for what you plan to feed it. Some machines can be set up for different power input voltages by changing the jumpers. You may also find that information inside on a label near where the cord enters the machine..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Dialarcs are single phase. I'm pretty sure they can hooked up with 3 wires to a standard welder plug. Look at a manual on the Miller site and it will tell how to change input voltage and how to hook it up. #4 cable is too small for a stinger and 2/0 is way overkill for leads. If you want to burn some 3/16" rods get #1 cable, if you're not planning on burning much bigger than 5/32" #2 would work. If you use #2, you don't need it any smaller for the stinger. A 300 amp ground clamp is fine and if you want a twist type stinger, they are usually rated for 400 amps so no problems there.Last edited by Welder Dave; 12-25-2014 at 01:52 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelYou really only need #2 cable for a Dialarc 250. Buy you 100 ft of it and cut it 45/55 or however you like. Get a 300 or 400 amp work clamp and a 200 amp stinger for normal use and a 250 or 300 amp stinger for the bigger stuff.
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoIs there any noticable amperage drop with 50ft leads?
Reply:Just ordered 100' of #1 cable. Im going to try to stop by the lws on Friday to get some connectors, a ground clamp, and a stinger.Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoJust ordered 100' of #1 cable. Im going to try to stop by the lws on Friday to get some connectors, a ground clamp, and a stinger.
Reply:Originally Posted by PipelinerWhere did you end up ordering from?
Reply:Was the shipping cost reasonable?"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Shipping was a little high but the cable only cost $122.Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:I have 100' of their 1/0 cable.  It's good stuff - I think you'll be very happy with it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveDialarcs are single phase. I'm pretty sure they can hooked up with 3 wires to a standard welder plug. Look at a manual on the Miller site and it will tell how to change input voltage and how to hook it up. #4 cable is too small for a stinger and 2/0 is way overkill for leads. If you want to burn some 3/16" rods get #1 cable, if you're not planning on burning much bigger than 5/32" #2 would work. If you use #2, you don't need it any smaller for the stinger. A 300 amp ground clamp is fine and if you want a twist type stinger, they are usually rated for 400 amps so no problems there.Originally Posted by 17jamatoCould it be that there are 2 hots, a neutral, and a ground? If so, are the hots black and white?Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelIf you have 3 wires you will use black and white for hots and green for ground.
Reply:Get yourself a book on doing electrical wiring from one of the big box home improvement stores. It will teach you the basics, which can be very useful. Prior to doing the same, electrical work was rocket science to me. Afterwards, simple progressions fixed me up with whatever I needed done.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoThanks. I really appreciate all the help you have given me since i've been a member here.Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoy Generally, the Dialarc 250s didn't come with a power cord and you may be lucky and find that you have a standard single phase welder that has had a four wire power cord added because that was what was available.
Reply:I agree with Roy on getting a book.  I did that prior to wiring a new garage addition some years back.  14 breakers/circuits later, nothing has caught fire."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumI agree with Roy on getting a book.  I did that prior to wiring a new garage addition some years back.  14 breakers/circuits later, nothing has caught fire.
Reply:I think the book I got at the big box store had some BBQ and smoker recipes in the troubleshooting section. Make every kWhr count.Disclaimer:  Prior to wiring the garage, I did have a couple years of electronics experience (mostly low-level DC) and 7 years in technical sales for a product that tested AC electric meters.  So I had a slight clue going in.  Still, wiring is more of a practical thing as long as you are conversant with the basics.  Proper sizing and connections, that sort of thing.Last edited by Oldendum; 01-04-2015 at 01:30 PM."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumI think the book I got at the big box store had some BBQ and smoker recipes in the troubleshooting section. Make every kWhr count.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumDisclaimer:  Prior to wiring the garage, I did have a couple years of electronics experience (mostly low-level DC) and 7 years in technical sales for a product that tested AC electric meters.  So I had a slight clue going in.  Still, wiring is more of a practical thing as long as you are conversant with the basics.  Proper sizing and connections, that sort of thing.
Reply:Roy,  prior to the day of voltmeters I recall a similar gadget.  Hook it up and stick your finger in it."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumRoy,  prior to the day of voltmeters I recall a similar gadget.  Hook it up and stick your finger in it.
Reply:Is this how the power cord should be wired inside?Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk Attached ImagesLast edited by 17jamato; 01-04-2015 at 05:11 PM.Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Could too small of a breaker cause it not to turn on?
Reply:You have the welder wired incorrectly. Where you have the two "hots" is where you should have a jumper link to "tell" the welder what sort of voltage you are applying to it. Appears to have originally been wired to 460 volts from the "ghost" of the link still visible above where you hooked those two hot wires. The two lugs below that (one with a terminal end still connected and one without) are where you connect power. Before doing so, obtain some proper wire ends instead of wrapping bare wire around the posts.EDIT: Here you go...took maybe 15-20 seconds to do your legwork with a Google photo search...Last edited by WyoRoy; 01-04-2015 at 05:29 PM.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Usually it is also a better idea when you have a 4 wire cord such as yours for a 230 volt installation to use the red and the black as the "hot" legs and the green as the ground. While the white will certainly work, if hooked to the plug the same way, white generally always denotes "neutral" in a circuit. By using the white instead of the unused red you may endanger a subsequent owner who doesn't check your wiring from end to end. Get some wire ends and fold back and tape that white wire so it isn't mistaken for one being used...use the red one instead.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Or put some red tape on each end of the white wire. GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:That'll work, but I can almost visualize the next owner taking a look at that wiring job and wondering, "Why two reds?"Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoyYou have the welder wired incorrectly. Where you have the two "hots" is where you should have a jumper link to "tell" the welder what sort of voltage you are applying to it. Appears to have originally been wired to 460 volts from the "ghost" of the link still visible above where you hooked those two hot wires. The two lugs below that (one with a terminal end still connected and one without) are where you connect power. Before doing so, obtain some proper wire ends instead of wrapping bare wire around the posts.EDIT: Here you go...took maybe 15-20 seconds to do your legwork with a Google photo search...
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoIs there any wire connected to the jumper link?Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveNo, they go on the posts as shown in the pic.
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoyThat'll work, but I can almost visualize the next owner taking a look at that wiring job and wondering, "Why two reds?"
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelI meant with 3 wire (black, white, green).
Reply:Originally Posted by 17jamatoIs this how the power cord should be wired inside?
Reply:Thanks guys. Got everything wired right and got to burn a couple 6011 Sent from my SPH-L710 using TapatalkMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P