How to remove hand control on Diversion 180 when upgrading hose

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Hi guys,I replaced my stock torch with a WP-9 and hose with a weldcraft ultra flexy jobby.  I cannot recommend this upgrade enough - WAY more control!  The hose and torch are not fighting your grip... love it.  Anyhow, I have my torch and line hooked up, got the adapter for the gas, it welds beautifully, but I couldn't figure out how to detach the hand control and remove the stock hose fully so right now my stock hose and torch are connected via the hand control cable (which I do not use).  Anyone done this and know how?  I looked and you can unplug it from the board but then the connector will not fit out the front of the machine.Thanks all!Miller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7xfyhf1Ak[/ame] hope this helps Ryan_______________________OF COURSE I DON'T LOOK BUSY... I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME
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Reply:I've done this mod.  I made an adapter that goes inside the machine, so that cost me $0, but I think I have seen someone selling them for about $20 or $30 on YouTube.The stuff I did was was all inspired by this post:http://www.offroadfabnet.com/forums/...ead.php?t=7051Beyond the adapter, I got a flexible cable, a number 9 torch body, and ditched the hand controls.  Welding with my Diversion 180 is so much more enjoyable now.
Reply:Yep, ordered my fitting from MeanMike over on offroadfab.net $28 shipped, just sign up and PM him.Scott.
Reply:^^Both you guys went with the WP9 torch as well? So you just change it out if you go over 125amps?I've seen the torches for as cheap as $10 shipped on ebay. What hose do I need?Edit: So you guys are using cheap $10 china torches or the $75 weldcraft torches?Last edited by Gamble; 07-10-2012 at 10:23 AM.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:I went with a weldcraft torch and weldcraft hose.  Supposedly nothing wrong with the $10 torches but, I figured hell...WP9 is awesome!Miller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:Where did you get them from? So if I'm reading this correctly you need the torch, hose and the connector that the guy made? Do you have to take the cover off the diversion or can it all unscrew from the front? Not too sure how deep I want to dig into my machine, especially if it voids the warranty.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:The entire cover comes off. You'll also have to remove the handles in the process, and the front plate remains attached to the machine.I got my hose from Arc-Zone through their eBay store with the torch.  It is the Pro-Kit in the options you have when you configure your kit.  It's a very light weight hose and very comfortable.  I'll run the WP9 up to 130 or on occasion 140 Amps, but briefly since it will get hot.  If I know I'm going to be hovering up there at the machine's duty cycle limit I will switch out to a WP17.
Reply:My buddy has the Diversion 180. I can't understand why there isn't a kit to add a water cooled torch. I would be making one myself. Air cooled is fun for a couple seconds. Then I want to put my hand on ice. Water is the way to go.Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:Originally Posted by 900steveThe entire cover comes off. You'll also have to remove the handles in the process, and the front plate remains attached to the machine.I got my hose from Arc-Zone through their eBay store with the torch.  It is the Pro-Kit in the options you have when you configure your kit.  It's a very light weight hose and very comfortable.  I'll run the WP9 up to 130 or on occasion 140 Amps, but briefly since it will get hot.  If I know I'm going to be hovering up there at the machine's duty cycle limit I will switch out to a WP17.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scotty 510Yep, ordered my fitting from MeanMike over on offroadfab.net $28 shipped, just sign up and PM him.Scott.
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleCan you pm him again, I'll take a fitting.
Reply:What do you use for a bushing to keep the new fitting from touching the frame? You didn't mention one in the vid.
Reply:Great stuff thanks!I wonder how people have done it without the custom fitting.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:My LWS store said they can get me a CK torch and cable for $55. That's pretty cheap I may go this route and get the custom fitting.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by Scotty 510Yep, ordered my fitting from MeanMike over on offroadfab.net $28 shipped, just sign up and PM him.Scott.
Reply:Originally Posted by Joker11My buddy has the Diversion 180. I can't understand why there isn't a kit to add a water cooled torch. I would be making one myself. Air cooled is fun for a couple seconds. Then I want to put my hand on ice. Water is the way to go.
Reply:Looking good Mike! Thanks again for the fitting, it's like night and day when using my Miller now, highly recommend this to anyone with an 165/180. Hell, being comfortable only makes for better welds in my opinion!Scott.
Reply:I used my torch tonight and man, still can't get over the difference!Miller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:My torch and cable should be in by the end of next week. I'm super excited about this. Wondering what I should do with the torch control cable still.Mike,You weld 3/8" thick aluminum flanges with the diversion 165 and this torch and cable that are rated for 125amps? How much amperage are you using?Last edited by Gamble; 07-14-2012 at 11:14 AM.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:I put the wp-17 torch head back on when I weld at anything over 125 amps.For the 3/8 flanges I put the welder at max amps and throttle the peddle.  I also use a 75% Ar / 25% He mix.
Reply:Do you change out the cable too or no? Mike, I got the fitting in the mail yesterday. Looks great, can't wait. My torch and cable should be here tomorrow. Thanks again!Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:No, I just slide the grip off the torch, use two 7/16" wrenches to break the torch/cable connection and swap on the new one.  It takes about a minute at most.
Reply:i changed out the thumb wheel torch, looks like this might be the next thing though.  im new to tig but figured out quick that being comfortable helps a bunch. thanks.This upgrade is awesome, however, I have been welding at 115amps and the torch gets pretty hot.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:It does - its only rated to 120 - 125A, but the control you have is so worth it.  You could upgrade to a watercooled one.Miller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:Who sells water coolers and torches?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:http://www.arc-zone.com/index.php?ma...cl0if8thpudf20There are a lot of less "official" ways of water cooling but those are some brand names.Miller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:I'm with the guy who says to convert that hole to a Dinse 50 (like the one that comes on a Dynasty).  Then drill a seperator hole for a female gas connect and it becomes like every other welder.You could make up a stinger and stick with the machine, stay with your air cooled torch, or change over to water cooled without ever opening the machine again.If you like the WP9 torch, you will LOVE the WP20 water cooled torch.  Same light feel and never gets hot.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleWho sells water coolers and torches?
Reply:Anyone thats looking for a fitting, I no longer sell them, but you can buy them from HTP now.  Email Jeff Noland [email protected] and he will take care of you.
Reply:Hate to bring this thread back from the dead but this thread answers just about all of my questions.  Although, having a Miller Diversion 180 is nice, I just want to make it a full water cooled torch.  I see that many guys are just purchasing a water cooled torch and having at it.      Has anything else come up since the writing of this thread?  The cooler weather is coming to Arizona, and I'd like to have everything ready to go for the cooler months.Thanks for the help.---No good deed goes unpunished---