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going to buy a mill and a lathe soon have 8 grand to spend on both leaning to grizzcan get both for 8K Attached Images
Reply:Buy rebuilt old stuff. Get an old bridgeport mill that has been rebuilt. And get an older southbend lathe or something that has also been redone. There are people out there that rebuild and sell these old machines. You can get a redone bridgeport for 4k. I went through this few years ago. I own a grizzly mill and a small 10x22 grizzly lathe. Both work great but are not very tight or smooth. The table on the mill isn't fit well and can't get it to be tight enough while still being able to move it. It is also .009 out of whack from one end to other so milling something long will not be flat. The lathe is same way. You can't get gibs tight enough to get rid of slop and still be able to move the slides. So you get tool movement and premature wear on tool bits or broken ones. You can either buy new machines that will not be within tolerence from grizzly or get a rescraped tight old machine. Some of the taiwanese machines are great but much more then what you are looking at. Go to practicalmachinist.com, there is a guy on there that rebuilds machines and a wealth of knowledge over there.Millermatic 252Lincoln 175 plusTA 185tswTA 161stlhypertherm pmax 45Victor torchHenrob torchAn S10 for each day of the week
Reply:A shiney new machine looks nice, but I got to agree with obsessed on looking at the rebuilt or used market for a good find.Miller Syncrowave 200
Reply:Some good advice there S obsessed.  I'm looking at getting both machines in the next year or so and Grizzly was one of the brands I was eyeing closely.  Thanks.Lincoln AC225 & MigPak 140, Lincoln Magnum SpoolGun, Miller Spectrum 375-X Plasma, Syncrowave 200 TIG, Millermatic 252 MIG, Miller Digital Elite, General 7x12" horiz/vert bandsaw, 3' box/pan brake, 20 ton press, milling machine, 12x28 lathe, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by S obsessedBuy rebuilt old stuff. Get an old bridgeport mill that has been rebuilt. And get an older southbend lathe or something that has also been redone. .
Reply:I bought a Taiwanese Grizzly model 4029 mill last March.  3 hp, 10 x 54 table, power X feed, variable speed, one-shot lube system, etc.  Paid $4,500 for it.  Looked for a good used B'port but couldn't find one that matched the size/features of the Grizzly.  Overall I'm happy w/ the mill....it does what I need it to do.  This is strictly for hobbies...no production work.I've operated B'ports in the past (my dad had one) and I can confirm that the quality of the Grizzly/Asian mill is not up to that of a B'port....fit, finish, smooth operation, materials (cheap plastic handles on the Grizzly vs satin chrome on the B'port)...but, again, it does what I need it to do.As I said, mine is a Taiwanese mill vs a Chinese mill.  I understand from others that the Taiwanese products are better built than the Chinese but I can't confirm this as I have no experience with the Chinese products.I'm happy with the purchase EXCEPT for the shipping.  Machine was ordered in March w/ a 4 week delivery.  Didn't get it until early June and only after DAILY phone calls/pleas/whinning to Grizzly.  They finally waived the delivery charges.I'm contemplating getting a lathe and, when I finally pull the trigger, it will be a South Bend.  Probably a 13" x 40" or thereabouts.  Again, Dad had one of these too.  Very smooth, very dependable.  I've seen nice ones on Craigslist for around $2000.  Junky looking ones for $800.  Almost new refurbs for $3500.  Plenty of parts available and lots of support from the forums.   Basically, I'd like to have a lathe, I want a South Bend, I look forward to rebuilding one and making it "pretty"BTW....Grizzly now owns South Bend and "says" they will be selling parts for the old ones as well as new manufacture machines.  Don't hold your breath though...they've been saying this for many months now.Depending on you needs and operational requirements (hobby vs work) the Grizzly mill is not a bad choice.I can't speak for the lathes although I've heard the gear head models (vs belt drives) can be a little noisy.Good luck on your decision and get a DRO for that mill.  It will make setups a lot easier. Attached ImagesMiller 211 w/ spool gunMiller Dynasty 200DXLongevity 60i IGBT plasmaO/A w/ crappy chinese torch/gaugesSouth Bend 10K latheGrizzly 4029 10x54 millGrizzly 7x12 hor bandsawangle grnders, bench grnder, bench belt sndr7.5 hp 80gal cmprsor
Reply:I had a grizzly lathe once, I don't see myself buying another.Tough as nails and damn near as smart
Reply:I bought a band saw from grizzly, never was happy with it or the service from grizzly. No matter how much time I would spend trying, I could not make a square cut with it. Bought a used Ellis, cuts square every time.
Reply:It's a shame, we're learning what it's like to live in a third world country.  Yup, that's right!!!!!!!When you can no longer produce quality machinery or consumer goods, you are like a banana republic.AND WE DID IT TO OURSELVES"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:just got the 2010 grizzly catalog they havesouth bend mills and lathes the lathes sart at$18,000 and the mills start at $8,800.00 not shure where there made where would one start looking for a rebuilt onewant to stay with 220 1ph Attached ImagesLast edited by ed mac; 01-02-2010 at 04:38 PM.
Reply:On craigslist the kewords "milling" and "lathe" seem to be effevtive. Through work I got this auction ad that includes machines of the type you are seeking. It's in Troy, MI. No telling where the bids will go but I think it has less exposure than ebay or govdeals. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/stat...ry=9301&page=4Lincoln SA200, HH135, Lencospot, HF80 Inverter, Rockwell 11x35 lathe, HF drill mill, Kama 554 tractor w/ FEL & BH, Belarus 250AS, lot's of Chinese tools
Reply:Don't get too hung up on single phase. Even if you want a fancy VFD it's only a few hundred. http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/...Catalog/Drives http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/..._VAC)/GS2-22P0Lincoln SA200, HH135, Lencospot, HF80 Inverter, Rockwell 11x35 lathe, HF drill mill, Kama 554 tractor w/ FEL & BH, Belarus 250AS, lot's of Chinese tools
Reply:$18,000 for a lathe! WOW!  The most pristine 13" SB I've seen with lots of accessories was listed for about $4000 and I thought that was too much.I don't have the Grizzly paper catalog but checking their web page I didn't see any SB lathes, just the usual Asian machines.  Looking at the South Bend web page, I see some larger Asian looking lathes but no typical SB's.Grizzly's web page does list a SB mill.  So does the SB web page.  Looks to be a 9" x 48" w/ a VFD.  Grizzly web page price is $11,750 incl shipping.  Spec sheet says it's made in Taiwan.  I agree w/ Brad Blazer...you could always add a VFD to a machine.  I think you need 3 phase for that but that's no big deal as a small phase converter is only a couple of hundred.  I don't think you would need a VFD.  I've got a mech vari speed on mine and it works just fine.  You would appreciate the 3 phase though....very smooth compared to 1 phaseMiller 211 w/ spool gunMiller Dynasty 200DXLongevity 60i IGBT plasmaO/A w/ crappy chinese torch/gaugesSouth Bend 10K latheGrizzly 4029 10x54 millGrizzly 7x12 hor bandsawangle grnders, bench grnder, bench belt sndr7.5 hp 80gal cmprsor
Reply:The web site I linked to has VFDs up to 3hp with single phase input. The 2hp model is $241, probably less expensive than a rotary phase converter. They are made in China.Here is a similar name brand unit for $400. http://www.entrepriseslm.com/product...3&cat=0&page=4Last edited by Brad Blazer; 01-05-2010 at 11:27 PM.Lincoln SA200, HH135, Lencospot, HF80 Inverter, Rockwell 11x35 lathe, HF drill mill, Kama 554 tractor w/ FEL & BH, Belarus 250AS, lot's of Chinese tools
Reply:this guy has a good reputation-but he is in Ma.http://www.j-lscraping.com/The last South Bend lathes that were made in the USA, by the original South Bend company, about 5 years ago, cost $16,000 new for a Heavy 10.The old american company had been selling imported lathes in its bigger sizes for many years, called "Turnado's".In the eighties or so, there were some really wacky South Bends that were actually made in France- they worked well when new, but they had complicated electromagnetic clutches that , when they broke, were very expensive to fix.South Bend of Indiana had been selling made in Taiwan lathes in its bigger sizes for ten years of so- so the bigger Grizz/South Bends are really quite traditional.They say the "new" Heavy ten and 10k's will be out in the spring- expect em to cost at least $10,000, is my guess..