Arc welders have there place but are mostly obsolete

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http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/fa...welder-do.html(Post #2) LOL.What do you think?old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:Oh absolutely, they fart dust they are so obsolete. City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:One of the post, a dude built a sandrail with his harbor freight 180 mig.I hope next time im in glamis I don't cross his path
Reply:Obsolete?!?!?!! Down blood pressure down!!! Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:No matter what type,stick,mig, tig, they're all "arc"welders,LOL!!Ol' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Stick isn't very useful for automotive applications he should have said...Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:mad welder 4If man ever goes to Mars, there will be a stick-welding variant on board.Opus
Reply:I wonder what he thinks about oxyfuelPROUD   AMERICAN
Reply:Every damn pipeline job going is chock a block with "arc welders". Those dudes sound like a bunch of garage/hobby welders.
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusno matter what type,stick,mig, tig, they're all "arc"welders,lol!!
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/fa...welder-do.html(Post #2) LOL.What do you think?
Reply:I felt out of place reading a 3rd gen Fbody site without a mullet....
Reply:Honestly, I think he didn't express himself clearly but he has a point. In the limited application of automotive work, there are steel alloys being used in car bodies that should only be welded with MIG or TIG. in this regard, stick welding is not appropriate.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Yeah, but who could resist poking fun?  Attached ImagesCity of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Originally Posted by RealMcCoyI felt out of place reading a 3rd gen Fbody site without a mullet....
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749LMAOWhere's John McCracken when you need him?
Reply:I just spent 2 weeks welding for a contractor at a local plywood mill for their annual maintenance shutdown. 80% of the welding I did during that 2 weeks was with stick. I burned a lot of 5/32 7018 doing structural and a pile of 1/8 309L rod inside the furnace.In the industrial world, stick is far from obsolete.
Reply:if arc welders are so obsolete then why are they sold damn near everywhere? by the way i dont think stick welding will ever go away to many open roots to push a 6010 through lolLincoln pro core 125 14''chop saw7 inch grinder,2-4.5 inch grinders,electric die grinder.Half inch drillAnd alot of hand tools
Reply:Did Lance post that?  This would be right in line with that plasma cutter video!LMAOGizzmo
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverStick isn't very useful for automotive applications he should have said...
Reply:Lincoln pro core 125 14''chop saw7 inch grinder,2-4.5 inch grinders,electric die grinder.Half inch drillAnd alot of hand tools
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749LMAOWhere's John McCracken when you need him? Obsolete..... Yeah, right.Dude must not get out much.IMHO of course
Reply:Human nature says that a lot of people view the entire world thru a narrow lens of their own limited personal experience.A lot of folks happily tig small parts for decades sitting at a bench in a climate controled environment, others weld at 200' with a flux core feeder, others mig in a production environment or stick weld out in the mountains.Some people do a lot of different welding in a variety of circumstances. Like I've said about 4,376 times, it's a big old welding world out there.We'll know that stick is receeding when Lincoln stops selling 200D's for $13,000 as fast as they can make them. Somebody is using those machines to feed the kids. And 300D's and SAE300's and Vantages plus more I'm not familiar with.So really, to a kid pulling the trigger on a mig gun in a trailer manufacturing plant really might believe it. Then there's the maintenance welders (millions of them) who might be running stainless in the morning, LoHi before lunch, 99 cast iron after lunch and a little hard facing before going home. Plus the farmers fixing their stuff outside. Position pipe changes everything where the welder makes manual adaptation all day long, easy with stick. On and on it could go but Lincoln and Miller are still selling high dollar stick machines and that pretty much tells the tale.It's harder to brown corn than I originally thought.J
Reply:Originally Posted by JTMcC... sauteeing some garlic and mushrooms in butter ... J
Reply:If they are obsolete then why do they still make'm?Some are much better than others but......?...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.I like to brown corn off the cob on the grill with the MAPP torch. It hasn't worked out so well yet, but I keep trying.  Speaking of grills, my charcoal grill rebuild customer says he has friends who would like a custom-stick-weld-built charcoal grill also. But, I can't copy his exactly, copyright laws and all, you know! City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Holy Crap, did he really say that?  How do you think pipelines get assembled?    Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:My 8 year old grandson can mig weld , mig welding is low skill type of welding good for automotive and sheet metal work.
Reply:Stick welding really was obsolete in the early '60's (fiddy years ago) or even earlier in some sectors. Happily living on in others. Just depends on where you make your living.Blanket statements rarely are absolutely correct.The corn turned out OK, not great but alrite for a wannabe like me. In my defense, I can brown corn on the cob on a grill to stupendous goodness and have for a long time, this stove cooking befudles me at times. It kept us alive till breakfast tho.J
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumSaute?  I would think you'd skewer them using a 7018 or a 6010.
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusNo matter what type,stick,mig, tig, they're all "arc"welders,LOL!!
Reply:"Arc welders have there place but are mostly obsolete.""USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Arc welders are not obsolete. Lots of people are told that and so they buy a MIG or TIG, but arc welding with a stick machine is a basic art that should be mastered by people who want the complete welding experience. I have a stick section in my Syncrowave and I also have an AC/DC Lincoln Tombstone. Both of them will do a beautiful bead with proper attention. When I was in my welding school about 20 years ago, we had to do horizontal, vertical up, vertical down and overhead with stick. That's the most fun you can have with your clothes on. I love stick welding and there are certain jobs where it's really good, like making some nice large beads really fast and cheap without gas. That's a good point....arc welding doesn't need any gas and it's fast. Did you ever run out of gas on a Saturday night and still need to weld something? Break out the stick welder. Last edited by gnm109; 09-25-2013 at 08:59 PM.Miller Millermatic 252Miller Syncrowave 200Liincoln AC-DC 225Victor O-A Set
Reply:Loud-mouthed idiots are "obsolete" too but, like stick welders, there are plenty of them out there, and always will be!   A few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:Originally Posted by gnm109....arc welding doesn't need any gas and it's fast. Did you ever run out of gas on a Saturday night and still needed to weld something? Break out the stick welder.
Reply:Originally Posted by Silicon-basedLoud-mouthed idiots are "obsolete" too but, like stick welders, there are plenty of them out there, and always will be!
Reply:Originally Posted by gnm109That's a good point....arc welding doesn't need any gas and it's fast. Did you ever run out of gas on a Saturday night and still need to weld something? Break out the stick welder.
Reply:Originally Posted by gnm109Arc welders are not obsolete.That's a good point....arc welding doesn't need any gas and it's fast. Did you ever run out of gas on a Saturday night and still need to weld something? Break out the stick welder.
Reply:Originally Posted by JimmieMy 8 year old grandson can mig weld , mig welding is low skill type of welding good for automotive and sheet metal work.
Reply:Originally Posted by mad welder 4http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/fa...welder-do.html(Post #2) LOL.What do you think?
Reply:Originally Posted by BistineauYour wrong on that point. I still need gas to stick weld, I got an engine drive. Won't run without gas, but then it's usually pretty easy to get on a Saturday or even a Sunday around these parts. Unless it's late night, but then I don't do late night welding either. By then I have soaked up enough beer I don't need to be striking an arc anyway.
Reply:Test flight.And then, after so much work...... you have it in your hand, and you look over to your side...... and the runner has run off. Leaving you holding the prize, wondering when the runner will return.
Reply:Nowadays we are not to use the term welder.... Instead "power source".  We will still say welder for many years but the persnickety want us to use a more precise term.
Reply:Originally Posted by lotechmanNowadays we are not to use the term welder.... Instead "power source".  We will still say welder for many years but the persnickety want us to use a more precise term.
Reply:Well the term arc welder is pretty broad indeed so unless he is doing things with O/A or ultrasonic or laser/ electron beam or friction i don't get his point those don't arc weld but are all specialty machines and cost big bucks in most cases not anything your going to weld your car up with or even have as a hobby welder and probably not even in most shopsArc welding in the sense of my setup is i would not weld body panels with SMAW i plug in the wire feeder and the gas bottle and GMAW  or i could GTAWIf it's something heavy duty that needs to be fixed i sometimes CAG then SMAW and if it is big enough to require a lot of welding i get out the wire feeder and FCAWThe commonality of all those different process is the A..i think the AWS changed the designations back in the 90's maybe earlier but the A in Arc in the bases of all those processes And i don't see any of them as being obsolete ..Just MHOBacked my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:You've evidently never really seen all hell break loose, it's nothing like this I garantee you.Enlist in the US Army, they'll show you.Specially if you pick a combat arms MOS : )J
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Reply:Originally Posted by JTMcCYou've evidently never really seen all hell break loose, it's nothing like this I garantee you.Enlist in the US Army, they'll show you.Specially if you pick a combat arms MOS : )J
Reply:Originally Posted by nadogailWe have been witness to an unfair fight, a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
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