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I know this question has been ask before, but for the life of me I can’t remember the answer!So here goes, how come I can’t make the bottom look like the top? 6-inch sch-80 pipe. 5-G. 5/32“ 5P-Plus 6010. 125-amps. Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI know this question has been ask before, but for the life of me I can’t remember the answer!So here goes, how come I can’t make the bottom look like the top? 6-inch sch-80 pipe. 5-G. 5/32“ 5P-Plus 6010. 125-amps.
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderthat's an easy one. just fu@k up the top
Reply:Don't be so hard on yourself. You're just a hobby welder with a few weeks experience.
Reply:Joe beat me to it lol.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Can you get a pic of how your hand, stinger, and rod angle is underneath. Are you talking uphill, down hill or both? Really dont matter. If ya can bud try and get a pic.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI know this question has been ask before, but for the life of me I can’t remember the answer!So here goes, how come I can’t make the bottom look like the top? 6-inch sch-80 pipe. 5-G. 5/32“ 5P-Plus 6010. 125-amps.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeCan you get a pic of how your hand, stinger, and rod angle is underneath. Are you talking uphill, down hill or both? Really dont matter. If ya can bud try and get a pic.
Reply:Don't worry about it, it's just your youth and inexperience holding you back. You keep at it and in 10 or 15 years you'll be as good as any welder here. After all Carl, you haven't even finnished growing your hair yet.Yeah, I know, but it'll be ok!Lincoln Square wave 255Miller Vintage mig30a spoolgunThermal Dynamics Pacmaster 100xl plasmaSmith mc torchEllis 1600 band saw
Reply:Originally Posted by welderjDon't worry about it, it's just your youth and inexperience holding you back. You keep at it and in 10 or 15 years you'll be as good as any welder here. After all Carl, you haven't even finnished growing your hair yet.
Reply:This is not a get rich quick type business. If your not in it for the long haul maybe it's best that you find out now.Yeah, I know, but it'll be ok!Lincoln Square wave 255Miller Vintage mig30a spoolgunThermal Dynamics Pacmaster 100xl plasmaSmith mc torchEllis 1600 band saw
Reply:Originally Posted by welderjThis is not a get rich quick type business. If your not in it for the long haul maybe it's best that you find out now.
Reply:Don't be discouraged, if you really want to make this your life just practice practice practice. If you do, by the time your hair fills in you could as good at it and well respected as me.Yeah, I know, but it'll be ok!Lincoln Square wave 255Miller Vintage mig30a spoolgunThermal Dynamics Pacmaster 100xl plasmaSmith mc torchEllis 1600 band saw
Reply:Originally Posted by welderjDon't be discouraged, if you really want to make this your life just practice practice practice. If you do, by the time your hair fills in you could as good at it and well respected as me.
Reply:I really hate it when you have to weld 2 short picecs of pipe together because you can't find one long anuff to do the job.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Hard to explain this bud but here goes. Put the rod in the stinger on a 90. Start at 6 o clock and when you start hitting around 7 o clock start rotating your wrist to square back up to 90 for the rest of the vert up till you get back to flat. I hope i explained it correctly. Roll the wrist around 7 o clock and work your way back to a 90. Same goes for downhill, just reversed. Hard to explain but i know you're a fart smeller and will understand.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeHard to explain this bud but here goes. Put the rod in the stinger on a 90. Start at 6 o clock and when you start hitting around 7 o clock start rotating your wrist to square back up to 90 for the rest of the vert up till you get back to flat. I hope i explained it correctly. Roll the wrist around 7 o clock and work your way back to a 90. Same goes for downhill, just reversed. Hard to explain but i know you're a fart smeller and will understand.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPLuckily my grandsons were here, so we went out to the shop and got a picture for you Mike.Uphill welding. Dam I’m getting thin on top!
Reply:A welding cap might have saved your hair.
Reply:Or like me to damn old to give a ****
Reply:If the pipe is at room temperature when you start welding, the bead will be " colder", and gradually smoothen out as the base metal temperature increases due to welding.Also, you are dealing with gravity, here. So, the bead profile will be more convex on the overhead and vertical portions, then, the profile of the bead will flatten out as you approach the top of the pipe.Could you handle a few more amps at the start of a new bead, then perhaps reduce the amps when you stop to reposition, or grab another rod? This may help keep things consistant.Rich
Reply:Dude put a cap on that noggin.
Reply:Okay.  Tell the truth.  Your Grands welded that joint.Jerry30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30"  vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:Sometimes it is easier to learn doing bottoms by sticking the rod in the end of the stinger straight up. On pipe try starting at five o'clock and draw rod towards you going uphill. The starts should overlap each other, don't start in the same spot. Sometimes if allowed, touch up the tacks with a grinder and feather edge them. It may help throwing the stinger cable over the pipe and making a half hitch to rest your arm in. Some guys will tack a piece of all thread rod to the pipe instead as a rest. If you are laying a ditch doing a bellhole where the operator didn't want to dig as deep as you wanted him to the ground works well for support. OR, you could just do tops only.
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1OR, you could just do tops only.I got ya Bob, but CEP that was funny as hell I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Another method that we use when pipe welding is the back-step method.For example, weld the 5:00 to 7:00 segment. Then, weld the 11:00 to 1:00 segment.(Achieve this however you are allowed to. We are not allowed weld downhill more than 15 degrees, so I'd have to go from 11:00 to 12:00 and from 1:00 to 12:00 to achieve this...)Now, to connect those 2 segments, go from 9:00 to 11:00, 3:00 to 1:00, 7:00 to 9:00, and 5:00 to 3:00.This is fairly important to do when welding pipe in the 5G and 6G positions, so that the pipe doesn't c0ck upward.We tig all of our pipes. It's a slow process, and ends up putting quite a bit of heat into the pipe, so if we don't back-step, the pipes will certainly c0ck.RichLast edited by steelsurgeon; 05-10-2015 at 09:02 AM.
Reply:With the antique helmet, (looks like the Monty Python clip), I'm surprised you could find the stinger!An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Well there's the problem right there. CEP in his haste forgot to put on his Pipeliner helmet.  How can you expect to do a nice pipe weld without the right helmet? Oh these amateur hobbyists thinking they're (pipe) welders.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPThat’s a good idea! But wait a minute, wouldn’t the pipe leak on the bottom?
Reply:Originally Posted by steelsurgeonAnother method that we use when pipe welding is the back-step method.For example, weld the 5:00 to 7:00 segment. Then, weld the 11:00 to 1:00 segment.(Achieve this however you are allowed to. We are not allowed weld downhill more than 15 degrees, so I'd have to go from 11:00 to 12:00 and from 1:00 to 12:00 to achieve this...)Now, to connect those 2 segments, go from 9:00 to 11:00, 3:00 to 1:00, 7:00 to 9:00, and 5:00 to 3:00. It's a slow process, and ends up putting quite a bit of heat into the pipe, so if we don't back-step, the pipes will certainly c0ck.Rich
Reply:Originally Posted by CEP... how come I can’t make the bottom look like the top? ...
Reply:Does the coriolis effect apply when welding pipe on the other side of the world?
Reply:U-all need a pancake shield and a Lincoln uninsulated stinger  (the green one ) coupled to s SA-200 to weld pipe !!! Or one of those fancy auto dark hoods !!!
Reply:Too many tools you dockies only need a 20 oz ripping hammer and wescot to fix any thing  !
Reply:If I were you I would bring the pipe down to mid section height. I personally like it like this because when I weld the bottom side I can rest my forearm against the pipe with a glove and hold my rod much more steady. With you trying to hold the rod steady and bending down at the same time your abs and legs will tremble from breathing. I had the trouble with consistency on the bottom side when welding in position in the past. I also don't use the rod pointing straight up and down. I put it in the side at a 45* angle and hold the rod in between my left fingers and let is slowly slide through as it burns and I progress upwards. I also make sure my progression upwards is consistent by playing it out. Hold the rod like I said, act like your going up the side and see how far you can get without having to reposition. Trial and error. Just like when your using a cutting torch. You have to steady yourself. I have high Blood pressure which makes me shaky sometimes. Practice makes perfect. I got a job offer to go back offshore with me old company welding pipe. I will have to make a video sometime soon to explain.Last edited by AndrewDavenport89; 05-12-2015 at 11:01 AM.
Reply:That would be great Andrew, love to see a video of you welding pipe.I normally leave the pipe right down on top of the vice, and squat down to make the bottom half weld. I raised the pipe up like that for the picture. The grandson who took the picture is about 4-inches taller than me!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400