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Needed more storage space, something that I can drag onto a trailer for when I move In the future that won't fall apart. I had a conex box given too me but our crane can't get it where I need it in the back yard so I had to pass and build this.  The base is 6" channel and 2x6 rec tube with 2" and 1 1/2 angle added for the floor. The main structure is 2" box .095 inside is 2" and 1 1/2  065 box. Not sure on the roof yet but need to figure it out tonight to pick up the steel. Attached Images
Reply:Btw I'm using flux core don't want the added cost of wasting gas, i figure it's just a shed for outside and most of the welds don't look too bad I'll have too snap some pics. This was yesterday's progress I started on Saturday. Attached Images
Reply:Today I bought the steel for the walls and cut it all at work but out of the days it wants to rain today. So there all ready to be welded up. Gonna try to buy to steel for the doors and roof  at work tomorrow. ( steel yard is pretty much across the street) Attached Images
Reply:looking good, what kind of roof are you planning?
Reply:The roof and sides are going to be metal rib lock panels, about 12" wide. We have the machine to make the panels here at work just feed it the roll of metal, in put the size and dies u wants pretty nice.
Reply:Is that what is called a standing seam roof?I'm glad I don't work near a steel yard, I would always be broke!GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:To tell you the truth idk that much about roofing. The panel has a female and a male rid.  U screw down the Male side and the next piece u cover it the female rib. If that makes sense to you? The female locks to the Male, really hard to pull apart. I couldn't do it buy hand. Got a little more done today. She " says" she wants to stay home tomorrow so I'm hoping to get the roof frame going.
Reply:Originally Posted by JoshNvegas72. . .The panel has a female and a male rid.  U screw down the Male side and the next piece u cover it the female rib. If that makes sense to you? The female locks to the Male, really hard to pull apart. I couldn't do it buy hand.
Reply:A metal framed shed. Very cool idea.
Reply:That should help you with your storage problems
Reply:Originally Posted by richeyThat should help you with your storage problems
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Reply:looks great! doesnt look like that will ever fall down or colasp! lol look forward to seeing it finished!
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Reply:That bank vault frame's plenty sturdy, Joshvegas, you can stop anytime.  Seriously, I'd like to make a suggestion.No offense, but a common mistake of scratch-built steel construction is to build with "wood thinking" which can use a  lot of extra/redundant material, and yet still lack what's necessary for steel to work at its best. For example only, ultimately a roof needs purlins for sheeting to anchor to, so, why bother with closely spaced "trusses" when two end walls would easily support the needed purlins? Whereas with trusses,  roof sheeting still must be placed on purlins, so purlins are needed anyway, and then when said purlins are stacked atop trusses it will make for a gap at the eave and soffit, which will need extra fillers, and the roof peak too will require extra secondary framing. See how there's a lot to be gained by ditching the trusses? Again, not to pick on the build, but only to clarify what I'm trying to say. Ditto wall construction. Steel wall panels need lots of lateral support, while requiring very little in vertical support. Conventional "wood stud thinking"  framing provides just the opposite of what steel panels need and so requires more material than would be necessary by using "steel" methods. As built, to me, the shed  seems to have consumed at least twice the material needed, and at no extra benefit.Regardless Joshvegas. the shed looks great and is gonna be fine, it no doubt is a great learning experience.  I'm just suggesting that maybe for the next one we'll break away from carpenter thinking and consider  designing to take advantage of steel's own natural economy.Last edited by denrep; 02-13-2014 at 07:26 PM.
Reply:Nice. It looks overly stout which is always good!
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepThat bank vault frame's plenty sturdy, Joshvegas, you can stop anytime.  Seriously, I'd like to make a suggestion.No offense, but a common mistake of scratch-built steel construction is to build with "wood thinking" which can use a  lot of extra/redundant material, and yet still lack what's necessary for steel to work at its best. For example only, ultimately a roof needs purlins for sheeting to anchor to, so, why bother with closely spaced "trusses" when two end walls would easily support the needed purlins? Whereas with trusses,  roof sheeting still must be placed on purlins, so purlins are needed anyway, and then when said purlins are stacked atop trusses it will make for a gap at the eave and soffit, which will need extra fillers, and the roof peak too will require extra secondary framing. See how there's a lot to be gained by ditching the trusses? Again, not to pick on the build, but only to clarify what I'm trying to say. Ditto wall construction. Steel wall panels need lots of lateral support, while requiring very little in vertical support. Conventional "wood stud thinking"  framing provides just the opposite of what steel panels need and so requires more material than would be necessary by using "steel" methods. As built, to me, the shed  seems to have consumed at least twice the material needed, and at no extra benefit.Regardless Joshvegas. the shed looks great and is gonna be fine, it no doubt is a great learning experience.  I'm just suggesting that maybe for the next one we'll break away from carpenter thinking and consider  designing to take advantage of steel's own natural economy.
Reply:Josh,That is a good project and you have done a great job. I would have built it about the same way, but then I read Denrep's comments and realize he's right. Steel can be used a lot different from wood. Good thread here!Burt _____________________Miller Syncrowave 250Millermatic 211Miller 375 Plasma Cutter Hobart Handler 12010FtDrillBit.com
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepThat bank vault frame's plenty sturdy, Joshvegas, you can stop anytime.  For example only, ultimately a roof needs purlins for sheeting to anchor to, so, why bother with closely spaced "trusses" when two end walls would easily support the needed purlins? Whereas with trusses,  roof sheeting still must be placed on purlins, so purlins are needed anyway, and then when said purlins are stacked atop trusses it will make for a gap at the eave and soffit, which will need extra fillers, and the roof peak too will require extra secondary framing. See how there's a lot to be gained by ditching the trusses? Again, not to pick on the build, but only to clarify what I'm trying to say. Ditto wall construction. Steel wall panels need lots of lateral support, while requiring very little in vertical support. Conventional "wood stud thinking"  framing provides just the opposite of what steel panels need and so requires more material than would be necessary by using "steel" methods. As built, to me, the shed  seems to have consumed at least twice the material needed, and at no extra benefit.
Reply:Thanks for the input guys. Denrep your right, especially about the building it like wood. I had a hammer in my hand before a pencil. I know I over built it, but you never know.  Im stubborn and really hard headed, it's already this far along so I'm just gonna finish it the way I thought it out. I've only got about 250$ out of my pocket so its not as bad as it seems. I should only be out about 500 painted and insulated, when all is said and done. I laugh at the price they want for those sheds at the stores. I figure I'm still pretty young so I don't know how many times I'm gonna move it. I've thought about the axel under it but I figure I can just lift one end and pull It into my dump trailer.  And too think of it I was gonna build it stronger lmao. Hey u know what they say better to overbuild it then have it fall apart. But I'll know for next time. Live and learn, thanks guys. Josh
Reply:Good looking shed.   The little jewel shouldn't fall apart on you.
Reply:We'll I got a little more done. I made the panels last weekend, been working on it with what I have around the garage steel wise. I just need to add the rest of the flat bar around the bottom, Build the doors, prep and  primer the metal and  sheet it. Here's some pics I've don't have updated pics right now it I was out in the dark. Attached Images
Reply:Been a little while, been busy but here is where I'm at now. Looking to start the roof this weekend. Attached Images
Reply:Wow that last pic almost made me flip over out of the chair. Good job.  Should last you a good long time.That bike looks like a CRF250 or 450 X if I am not mistaken. Very nice bike.
Reply:Originally Posted by Canadian WeldingThat bike looks like a CRF250 or 450 X if I am not mistaken. Very nice bike.
Reply:I have to  have a1" lip for out side panels on the roof for the drip edge. Handy little hand brake. Pain in the *** for the longer pieces. It's coming out nicer than I expected. All the gaps will be filled with foam. Newest toy I got a killer deal on. Gotta rebuild the top end if It doesn't sell before the next dune season. Attached Images
Reply:If you ever get to where you wish to stay permanent.  You can cut your little building in half, lengthwise and spread it apart about 8 ft, and build the filler and it will easy be strong enough to last forever. Who said you never thought ahead?  Mac
Reply:Hey mac, thanks never thought about that. That's a great idea.
Reply:Thanks JoshNvegas for being able to take some feedback from Denrep without making a big deal about it.  I love what you are doing it looks really good and it is nice to learn something from someone else who has already been there.  I envy you for the access to the machine to bend those panels, really looks good.
Reply:Thanks here's a lil more that I got done today. Attached Images
Reply:Well you have you a functional little shed that should last you a long time and I imagine you had fun doing it. Plenty stout foundation to. I use to help in a shop that built enclosed trailers. We usually ran a diagonal along the wall and sometimes gussets in the corners depending on size and function; however, your sheet metal is far stronger than our aluminum exterior sheets. Be surprised how quick sheds fill up. Enjoy...GeezerPower Mig 255C185 TIGBlue 175 MIGRanger 8 Kohler 20HP1974 5K Lincoln/Wisconsin Powered (Cherry)Victor/Harris O/AK 487 Spool Gun