Splicing an extension cord?

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Is it possible and relatively safe to splice the male end of the grey cord into the blue welder extension cord so that I can plug my welder into my stove outlet? The outlet is 50 amps. My welder is a Lincoln AC/DC 225 and I don't plan on turning it up very high.I tried to get an electrician out here to see what I needed to do to get my welder running and he showed up while I was out and told my wife that it would be $1400 to change the electrical panel and then he charges $70 for the visit and left. If I was here I would have asked him about changing the receptacle and the stove plug but he was here and gone before I could get back. Attached Images
Reply:Just add the correct female end to the gray cord - use it as an adaptor.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Thanks Dave.
Reply:am i confused? or is the grey cord tied into the welder?whatever you do, DONT PUT A MALE END ON SOMETHING THAT CAN BE "LIVE" WHILE UNPLUGGED!!!!!!so if the grey cord does belong to the welder, leave it male, get a matching female for the blue cord, and a male on the other end to plug into your female stove-socketbosses stuff:trailblazer 325maxstar 200my stuff:sa 200fronius transpocket 180100 amp Lincoln w/f97 f350 DITKevin
Reply:Originally Posted by 92dlxmanam i confused? or is the grey cord tied into the welder?whatever you do, DONT PUT A MALE END ON SOMETHING THAT CAN BE "LIVE" WHILE UNPLUGGED!!!!!!so if the grey cord does belong to the welder, leave it male, get a matching female for the blue cord, and a male on the other end to plug into your female stove-socket
Reply:Originally Posted by Iain PI think Dave means to keep the male end on the grey cord (probably from an old stove) and put the female end on the opposite end of it. Think short extension cord. Then the OP would plug in the short grey adapter cord into the wall then the blue cord into it.
Reply:gotcha! i didn't think dave to steer anybody wrong, but the way i read the op the first time had me thinking keving was trying to accomplish something else. . . .  .dont mind the cord police. . . . ."move along. . . .nothing to see here" bosses stuff:trailblazer 325maxstar 200my stuff:sa 200fronius transpocket 180100 amp Lincoln w/f97 f350 DITKevin
Reply:That, or just whang the end off the extension and put the correct male connector on it . . . . it kinda depends if this is a 'one-off' kind of use, or something you will use long term.- Tim
Reply:I don't understand using a range receptacle to weld. Isn't the receptacle behind the range? Don't you have to pull out the range to plug it in? Don't you have a wife who objects to this nonsense? Will you weld in the kitchen? Ranges should be plugged into 4 wire receptacles. Welders don't use neutral, so they need three. Installing a receptacle for your welder isn't that hard. Find a real electrician who has a clean criminal record.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveJust add the correct female end to the gray cord - use it as an adaptor.
Reply:You people worry about your insurance company getting wind of your homemade woodstove, then build a Rube Goldberg to weld, run a cord through the door that invariably gets shut on the cord, or weld in the kitchen. What will the adjuster say when the kitchen burns out from something you knew better than to do.At what point do we cross the line from stupid mistake to arson?An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BYou people worry about your insurance company getting wind of your homemade woodstove, then build a Rube Goldberg to weld, run a cord through the door that invariably gets shut on the cord, or weld in the kitchen. What will the adjuster say when the kitchen burns out from something you knew better than to do.At what point do we cross the line from stupid mistake to arson?
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveNow Willie, fire is dangerous, electricity is safe.
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoy...  a totally liberating feeling ...
Reply:I do not get a 70 dollar charge for an estimate, would not have pay that. Hope you paid with a CC, cancel the payment. Unless you were told up front there was a charge ..... estimates: AKA overhead.Magazines have issues, everything else has problems
Reply:I've got a few multi-voltage machines and I use the twist-lock connectors on the welder and have several pig-tail adapters made that let me switch the ends out for different outlets.
Reply:Oh wow. I didn't realize so many responded to this or would have gotten back sooner. To answer some question the range stove uses a receptacle that is the female counterpart to the male end of the grey wire. That grey wire is not connected to anything, it came off an old stove. I will not be welding in the kitchen, I will plug in behind the stove and run the cord out the window and use the blue 25' extension cord going out to a concrete pad out back of the house. The company I called out here has no criminal record, they are the largest and most reputable in the area. I did not call some hack off of craigslist. I live in Columbia, SC and sadly this is how business is done out here. They charge for estimates and aren't keen on telling you how to save money. I called them because the house I'm renting is 200 years old and I wanted to make sure my breaker panel can handle the load. This guy however only wanted to tell my wife the cost ($1400) to add a new receptacle and tie it into the panel. Speaking to a few others in my area that have had similar work done...this cost seems to be the going rate out here. If I can get away with making a simple adapter and not messing with the breaker
Reply:Oh wow. I didn't realize so many responded to this or would have gotten back sooner. To answer some question the range stove uses a receptacle that is the female counterpart to the male end of the grey wire. That grey wire is not connected to anything, it came off an old stove. I will not be welding in the kitchen, I will plug in behind the stove and run the cord out the window and use the blue 25' extension cord going out to a concrete pad out back of the house. The company I called out here has no criminal record, they are the largest and most reputable in the area. I did not call some hack off of craigslist. I live in Columbia, SC and sadly this is how business is done out here. They charge for estimates and aren't keen on telling you how to save money. I called them because the house I'm renting is 200 years old and I wanted to make sure my breaker panel can handle the load. This guy however only wanted to tell my wife the cost ($1400) to add a new receptacle and tie it into the panel. Speaking to a few others in my area that have had similar work done...this cost seems to be the going rate out here. If I can get away with making a simple adapter and not messing with the breaker then I'd rather do that. As far as if the receptacle has 3 or 4 wires...here is a pic of the receptacle.The guy in this video seems to be using the kind of adapter I need to have made
Reply:Kevin, couple questions for you about the range plug. Is the receptacle still being used for the present range? If so, do you have a common wall with the backyard where you are wanting to weld and your breaker panel...or stove receptacle if it isn't being used? A 240v circuit is no real problem to run...if your rear wall is convenient to your breaker panel,it would be a snap to add a circuit through the wall to a watertight receptacle box like that used for hot tubs installed outside. It would also depend upon what material you have on the house exterior. Post some pictures of the panel if you are unsure of what you have, as well as the rear of the house in the general area where you would like a receptacle installed. $1400 to install a 240v circuit, unless it involves one heck of a lot of work, is highway robbery!Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoyKevin, couple questions for you about the range plug. Is the receptacle still being used for the present range? If so, do you have a common wall with the backyard where you are wanting to weld and your breaker panel...or stove receptacle if it isn't being used? A 240v circuit is no real problem to run...if your rear wall is convenient to your breaker panel,it would be a snap to add a circuit through the wall to a watertight receptacle box like that used for hot tubs installed outside. It would also depend upon what material you have on the house exterior. Post some pictures of the panel if you are unsure of what you have, as well as the rear of the house in the general area where you would like a receptacle installed. $1400 to install a 240v circuit, unless it involves one heck of a lot of work, is highway robbery!
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelThe $1,400 was to change the panel. I'm guessing the one on that house is ancient.
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoyGravel, sorry, saw this quote, "This guy however only wanted to tell my wife the cost ($1400) to add a new receptacle and tie it into the panel." from the OP and took him at his word that the panel did not need replacing.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BAt what point do we cross the line from stupid mistake to arson?
Reply:Originally Posted by pepiI do not get a 70 dollar charge for an estimate, would not have pay that. Hope you paid with a CC, cancel the payment. Unless you were told up front there was a charge ..... estimates: AKA overhead.
Reply:Originally Posted by boone0Probably when we wing it rather than doing research and consulting someone with more knowledge and experience... I see where the OP is coming from, as not everyone can permanently modify their current residence. It would be nice to have a nice big shop wired with 220 receptacles on every wall at home... But that's not practical.  I don't think there's any reason to scold the OP for asking for a safe solution so he can weld.Find an honest electrician.Have him install a proper out let for your welder.leave the range out let alone.Some of the posters on here may be good welders but they know zero about electricity...
Reply:After calling Hobart, I changed the plug on my Stickmate to mate with a 3 wire 50 Amp.  range receptacle  (outlet).  They assured me this would not break the warranty.I weld in a garage workshop.  I put a 50 Amp, 2 pole breaker in my main panel, and used 8 AWG SE Cable (Service Entrance Cable) to a range outlet in the garage workshop. This is a Dedicated  Welder Circuit, so I did not feel the need for 6 AWG cable.3 pole range receptacles are considerably cheaper here than the 4 pole receptacles.  My welder extension cord is 25 feet of 4 conductor 8 gauge SO Cord. with a range plug and receptacle.Seemed like an inexpensive expedient solution at the time.Last edited by nadogail; 07-15-2015 at 09:22 PM.Reason: syntaxI offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveNow Willie, fire is dangerous, electricity is safe.
Reply:I believe the op's range recepticle is what was used on the old welders. It's whatbwas on our farm when I was a kid and the welder had that type plug on it. My friend Jeff has the same one on his farm and his welder has that type plug molded on it too, as do several other electric motors on his place. I did just what Dave said and put together an adaptor. It works good. His range plug should he fused for what ever it can handle and as long as he doesn't up that I don't see the problem. If he blows the fuse or breaker a lot then he should look at some other solution.Yeah, I know, but it'll be ok!Lincoln Square wave 255Miller Vintage mig30a spoolgunThermal Dynamics Pacmaster 100xl plasmaSmith mc torchEllis 1600 band saw
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BThomas Edison electrocuted scores of animals on stage to prove the opposite. He also invented the electric chair, naming it the Westinghouse chair.
Reply:Change the cord on your range to match the extension cord and change the receptacle for the range so both plug in, problem solved.
Reply:The Lincoln 225 ac/dc welder comes from the factory with a wimpy black cord with a #12 wire in it.My old Lincoln 225s has a 50 amp crow foot range cord.I use the crow foot cord on my welders and large electric motors.
Reply:My 1952 vintage AC-180-C has a 50A crow foot plug. My wife got an old oven which resides in the garage, so I just made an extension adapter cord to use the NEMA 6-50 welder outlet. It's an over/under dual oven so half is for heating parts and half for food."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BThomas Edison electrocuted scores of animals on stage to prove the opposite. He also invented the electric chair, naming it the Westinghouse chair.