Nozzle dip & a contentious neighbor

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Searched several times and all my searches for "nozzle dip" turned up so many results that the search is basically futile; so here's the question/issue:I'm using nozzle dip for my Mig gun - a petrolatum formula; can't recall the name right now (it's blue).  It does seem to help the wire run better through the gun; after a while when it depletes I can feel the wire "chatter" as it runs through the gun...SO, YES, it does seem to do what it claims to do. It does make quite a bit of smoke/vapor... which I do my best to get rid of using a draft system + general shop ventilation; plus filter/respirator under the welding hoodHOWEVER, my shop neighbor- across the hall, shared open air space (who is admittedly sensitive to smells - can smell paint being sprayed in an open air bay of another section of the building 100 yards away...) claims that:1) the smoke is giving him a headache2) nozzle dip is just a gimmick and doesn't do anything anyhow3) the "smoke" from it is toxic (it says 'non toxic/ non-flammable on the container)4) he has welded for years without any nozzle dip, and "I should learn how to weld without it too"5) he hasn't even changed his Mig tip in 2+ years, and his welds are fine...Results are results, in my book, and the dip works for me so I don't really care what anybody thinks about whether it works or not. BUT I would like to maintain a good relationship with my neighbor, so I'd love commentary on the relative merits of nozzle dip, specifically:* Is its use common, rare, almost non-existent?* Is it, or is it not toxic?* Is the "smoke" actually smoke (i.e. combustion) or is it vapor? * What are the health implications (medically known/experienced; not conjectural BS) of breathing burned/vaporized petrolatum - essentially, vaseline.* Is there a better solution?Thanks for your thoughtful, concise, on-topic answers!
Reply:That's not what it does.What it does is help spatter not stick to the inside of the nozzle - which it does very well and makes the spatter that does stick come off easier.If you are mig welding with argon/co2 mix, you don't need it.  I use it when I run 100% co2 since it spatters a little more.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Once you burn it off its gone, smell wise. There is a white ceramic based stuff that doesn't smoke and lasts longer.
Reply:Originally Posted by peanutjarI'm using nozzle dip for my Mig gun - a petrolatum formula; can't recall the name right now (it's blue).  It does seem to help the wire run better through the gun; after a while when it depletes I can feel the wire "chatter" as it runs through the gun...
Reply:peanutjarMIG Dip/Spatter Spray is often over-used.This is a reprint from 11-11-14.I take a different approach to nozzle hygiene.I have a Miller D60 Dual feeder on a XMT 300.I run .024 and .030 Hard Wire in one gun, and .035 and .045Dual Shield in the other - without daily Spatter Spray or Dip.I have had a 12oz. can of Jokisch LB-100W for over 15 years, it's 1/3 full, and still has pressure. It is only used for initial coating of new contact tips and nozzles.You can ‘season’ a tip and nozzle just like a cast-iron kettle, and they will last for years.Easy as changing an inside dual:begin with a new contact tip & nozzle – spray both – then:carefully run stringers until the gun is hot, immerse in Mig Dip, hang the gun so it drains and cools [until the Dip congeals], repeat the: weld to heat, dip, hang, cool cycle several times.The exercise is to heat the gun, not actually weld, so use clean metal, and angle the gun to optimize gas coverage.Also key to longevity: is the ongoing treatment of the gun, the cleansing mode of the nozzle, and a tight insulator.Great care should be taken not to mar the OEM finish of the nozzle. Any nick or abrasion is a foot-hold for spatter to stick. I only tap the nozzle at it base, and I use a chop-stick to swab the inside.With patience and technique - nozzle frustration is manageable.Opus
Reply:Your problem is, you are using the wrong gun. I would go for years, and years, and years without ever seeing a can of nozzle dip or spray.  Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by peanutjarI'm using nozzle dip for my Mig gun - a petrolatum formula; can't recall the name right now (it's blue).  It does seem to help the wire run better through the gun; after a while when it depletes I can feel the wire "chatter" as it runs through the gun...
Reply:As mentioned, nozzle dip and/or spray isn't intended to 'lube' anything just keep spatter from sticking. I have a cheap spray I use on new tips, tip size swaps and screw ups. It smells like cod fish being deep fried for awhile. I suppose that could give someone a headache, if so that same person couldn't go into a fish 'n chips place or a greasy spoon resteraunt without gettin a headache. Here's the real problem. It starts at birth. When a baby is 1st born it cries,, and those cries get it rewarded by a warm cuddly mother, then it cries more,, gets a warm teat in its mouth. Who wouldn't cry if that happened every time.  That baby soon learns that the more and the longer it cries, the more and more it gets its way. It learns to manipulate any body and every body by incessant crying. Then one day it becomes an adult, a welder and has a booth across the hall, very experienced at crying ---- see where I'm going with this? "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:I have a can of nozzle spray in the shop all the time, but the only thing I use it for is on my band saw blade and flap discs when working aluminum as it's the best thing for keeping the aluminum from gumming them up.Sent from my VS985 4G using TapatalkYeah, I know, but it'll be ok!Lincoln Square wave 255Miller Vintage mig30a spoolgunThermal Dynamics Pacmaster 100xl plasmaSmith mc torchEllis 1600 band saw
Reply:While I have never used nozzel dip before I will say that I know it doesn't luberacate the wire. I've never used nozzel dip because spatter build up has never been a huge issue. I'd try to figure out what is causing so much spatter before investing in nozzel dip.My "collection":Homemade Stick WelderVictor O/A TorchAC 225Ideal Arc 250HF 90 Amp Flux CoreHF Mig 170Solar 2020 Plasma CutterPower i-Mig 140EHarris O/A torchHF Dual Mig 131140STAlpha Tig 200x
Reply:I would imagine when you dip a hot nozzle in that stuff that some of it finds its way inside the tip and reduces chatter until it burns away. We are having lots of trouble with wire chattering in the tip since we switched over to Hobart H4 Megafil. Once that tip gets hot the wire starts hanging up until eventually you get a bird nest if you keep going. We never had any trouble with the Kobelco wire we used to use. We've tried using .052 tips on .045 wire, doesn't really help. I think I'm gonna try some of that dip. Even though I never have liked it, it shouldn't matter now that i have the fresh air hood.Are you using Hobart H4, peanutjar?I would tell your neighbor across the way to pound sand. If he's that sensitive to smells, he's in the wrong profession.You can google that stuff and find an MSDS online.Last edited by TimmyTIG; 07-16-2015 at 06:39 PM.
Reply:Some folks use pam cooking spray as nozzle spray.How can he complain about that ?
Reply:The nozzle dip helps for awhile. I finally just got so I clamp a 1/2" drill bit in the vise and when the nozzle gets a lot of buildup in it, I take it off and run the bit thru it to clear it.                                         MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:I can't say much about your nozzle dip....But your neighbor of the shared space  needs to get used to it and keep quiet...or move to his own building. Its a shared space...and that's the way it is IMO. Kind of like living in an apartment complex and complaining that the neighbor who works the night shift is waking you up when he goes to work at 2 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by 12345678910Some folks use pam cooking spray as nozzle spray.How can he complain about that ?
Reply:Hand him a nice new white hanky to wipe away all the tears.                                      MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:mla2ofusAre you on 'Hooper Water' again!Opus
Reply:Originally Posted by doojusI use Pam.... Jody says Vaseline works too...
Reply:Originally Posted by OPUS FERROmla2ofusAre you on 'Hooper Water' again!Opus
Reply:So am I reading this right? The noxxle dip is wicking into the tip for lubrication? And that is helping the feeding? I think the problem lies in the fact that the tip is getting sticky because of the noxxle dip when it gels. Perhaps that and the combination of junk wire could be happening. I found that other than Linlcoln and Esab steel wire, I would have lackluster feeding.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:used to use nozzle dip till I figured out that I didn't need it. I just use a 1/2 lag bolt to clean the nozzle.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer