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I may be getting one of these soon. Anything I should know about reliability of them? Are they reliable? Do they have any flaws that would hold back a startup welding business?
Reply:Should be fine, brush off the dust and get to sparkin'!John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:I used one of those when I worked for a ski lift company. They put it in the work chair and I welded cable guides on the tower arms. It worked for me. Is that an ONAN?DavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:That is just a similar one to the one I may get. The motor on the one I may get I think is a B&S, maybe. For sure not an onan.
Reply:I'm trading my ThermalArc 190GTS P-Wee for it. Good deal? I've seen the same welder I am trading to him selling for $600-$1500. And it's not uncommon to see welder/generators like that one that old sell for over a thousand dollars.Plus, that one is 225amp. 120/250v outlets. AC/DC welding output. CC/CV so I can run my Miller 22a wirefeeder off it.I'm gun-shy after buying a Miller Roughneck that had one of it's electrical pieces gum up and fail anytime it got moist out (which is quite often in Washington state).
Reply:A fair trade if everything on it works. How many hours on it? They are a lot louder than a bobcat or even a ranger 10K.
Reply:Not sure how many hours. He says it starts right up. But it doesn't charge the battery (big deal) I can run some jumpers from under my hood or hook my battery charger to a power inverter and run the leads out to the welder. He says everything else works perfect.
Reply:Just my opinion but the value of it drops fast after 2,000 hrs or so. I hope he lets you run a bead or two before the deal is sealed.
Reply:I'd look for engine condition above all else on this deal.There used to be a lot of those around with bad engines. You couldn't afford to repair the Onan engine once it's service life was up.My opinion, real cash value something like $350 - $700Last edited by denrep; 08-06-2007 at 11:32 PM.
Reply:One could always repower it if the generator was in good shape. Doubtful you could run a 22A off of it without expensive and extensive adaptations. 22a needs a 14 pin connection which Lincoln does not have. Has that unit been modified with a Miller 14 pin? Or are you basing the feeder capability on the CV tap alone? Curious.Wait...are you looking at that unit or a Weldanpower AC/DC? They are the ones with the Briggs CI industrial engine. They kinda look like an old Ranger. Is that what you are looking at?
Reply:DDA52, I haven't seen it yet. I searched google and found some pics as he described it and that one matched everything. I figure it is at least close to that.I talked to miller than they said to run 22a off a non miller feeder you need a little adaptor that miller sells called a PSA adapter.
Reply:That Lincoln does not have a starter - uses two batteries that are connected into generator to crank engine. Also both power and weld are at 3000 rpm - remember the cast iron rods - therefore the output power is 50 hz. Will definitely burn up induction motors. The welding output is run to batteries to charge them. Actually a smooth welder. weldersales
Reply:The picture in post one is not the actual welder. All bets may be called. It seems like the Briggs powered units usually didn't have CV capability, and used a starter motor.My buddy did repower one with a small refrigerator diesel. It's sweet, but he spent a lot of time (when he could have posting on WW) converting it."they said to run 22a off a non miller feeder you need a little adaptor that miller sells called a PSA adapter" - You sure someones not cranking you on the adapter? I mean, what a name!
Reply:The AC/DC Weldanpower had a 16 hp Briggs, ran 3600 rpm, and had a starter with one battery. That is the machine that started this 3600 rpm business, weld or power. Gave out 7000 watts, though. Very troublesome machine. On the adapter, they are telling you right. The 22A feeder is a 24 volt feeder and the PSA 1 or 2 takes in 120 volts and gives out 24 volts as well as having a 14 pin connector. Having said all that, you will not be happy with the results. Same old story, trying to run a wire process with a constant speed feeder - a normal mig feeder in other words. If you really want to run wire, you will be much happier with an arc voltage feeder. When you add the value of the 22A and the PSA adapter that you don't now have to buy, you are about up to the cost of an arc voltage feeder on the positive side. weldersales
Reply:Originally Posted by weldersalesThe AC/DC Weldanpower had a 16 hp Briggs, ran 3600 rpm, and had a starter with one battery. That is the machine that started this 3600 rpm business, weld or power. Gave out 7000 watts, though. Very troublesome machine...
Reply:Originally Posted by weldersalesAlso both power and weld are at 3000 rpm - remember the cast iron rods
Reply:Originally Posted by weldersalesIf you really want to run wire, you will be much happier with an arc voltage feeder. When you add the value of the 22A and the PSA adapter that you don't now have to buy, you are about up to the cost of an arc voltage feeder on the positive side. weldersales
Reply:btw, based off all the info I have gathered I believe this to be the same welder as I am getting. So ignore my first pic post.http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...1&d=1146417805http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...2&d=1146417814http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...3&d=1146417826http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...4&d=1146417834
Reply:I bought this one new I think in '87. Its 3600 rpm Onan. Served me well for a long time. Just sold it. I had the choice of the one banger or two, there was about a $700.00 difference. I took the one that had an oil pump and electronic ignition. Its run LOTS of wire.http://www.weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=12780DavidThanks weldersales for sharing the info.Real world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I really hope that is the one. A nice looking unit. From what the guy says about it I have no doubt that is it. 225a. AC/DC. CC/CV. 6000w. etc...I hope it's that clean!
Reply:He says he "thinks" it's a ranger. But it isn't at his house, it is at his shop. He works/lives most of the time at a state park on site and the welder is back at his house. So he couldn't get the exact model number for me. I decribed the welder in David R's pics and he said that looks like the one but he swears it's a Ranger. I know the older rangers look similar to the weldanpowers. I find out thursday at 11am.
Reply:Here's mine, bought new January '86 for $2,099. 16 horse Onan, CC/CV, 6K watts. Model K-1326CVModifications I've made: the original fuel tank rusted inside, so replaced with an 8.5 gallon resin tank. Since the battery is totally enclosed, I wired in an external +pos terminal to hang on a battery charger; an extension to the oil drain pipe; flex exhaust pipe and 2 Corvair turbo mufflers; a full 6K watt power plug; homemade cart.I've got 2 original equipment Onan mufflers in like new condition if anyone needs them. Actually, they're muffler looking devices as they have no baffles. Hardly muffles at all. That's why I replaced them soon after purchase.Welderboy, your pics look like the same model but with the single cylinder Briggs engine and no CV tap.Attachment 11709Last edited by 69 chevy; 08-07-2007 at 09:28 PM.WeldingWeb forum--now more sophomoric banter than anything else!
Reply:69 chevy, the one I am getting has CV. The pics I posted aren't of the actual welder since the guy selling it isn't too computer savvy. We narrowed it down to an older Ranger 8 or a Weldanpower 225a/6000w. Either way I am very happy with the deal.Your welder is VERY nice. I will be cleaning this one up and repainting if necessary. My truck's factory paintjob is only 6 years old (2001) so I want the welder to look just as new sitting up on top of the bed rail. Maintain a professional look for my customers.
Reply:I worked with one of them for 5 years in the awning business.Very handy machine. Not the strongest but light enough to be comparably easy on you and very dependable, and that was years ago, they've no doubt gotten even better. Whats up with them being so friggin loud though? I wonder, would it screw up a welder to bolt on a decent car exaust to shut the darn thing up?
Reply:I had a Weldanpower AC/DC , company machine, on my truck for about a year. I could weld fine with it...just hated that stinking Briggs. Loud, cranky and thirsty. Always was filling up that tiny tank. As long as I always had a full gas can around, I got the job done. That machine had an extremely hard life before I got it. I was happy to give it back, too. I would suppose the PSA would do OK for FCAW, but I would bet that the solid wire will be limited...but then I could be wrong. Having never used this set up, I can only guess. Since it is the cheapest option at the moment, go for it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, you could always sell it and apply the money to a VS feeder later. You will probably find that 22A is not really a field unit anyway. Should work ok as long as the adapter does what it is supposed to do. You'll just have to be a little more careful with it, that's all.DDA52, thanks for the input. I know the 22a isn't the best feeder for field use. But I do have a canopy on my truck which keeps all the weather out. And assuming the item to be welded is within the length of my whip the thing will be out of the weather. I was also invisioning a protective cover to keep the weather out of it. I was planning on FCAW for most stuff but solid for aluminum.I really like the VS feeders and I use them on a daily basis actually, but they are above my limited budget. I will be purchasing one in the future but I would also like to see how much I realistically use wire in the field before I decide to spend that kind of money. I foresee myself using 99.9% stick and 0.1% tig in the field.
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderBoyDDA52, thanks for the input. I know the 22a isn't the best feeder for field use. But I do have a canopy on my truck which keeps all the weather out. And assuming the item to be welded is within the length of my whip the thing will be out of the weather. I was also invisioning a protective cover to keep the weather out of it. I was planning on FCAW for most stuff but solid for aluminum.I really like the VS feeders and I use them on a daily basis actually, but they are above my limited budget. I will be purchasing one in the future but I would also like to see how much I realistically use wire in the field before I decide to spend that kind of money. I foresee myself using 99.9% stick and 0.1% tig in the field.
Reply:I picked it up today. Very good condition.I was wondering what that "output control" dial on the top center is. Can't figure out what it does.When I turn the amperage dial it clicks into place. So as an example do I have to choose between 80 and 95 amps? Nothing inbetween?Also, when hooking up my 22a wirefeeder, do I turn the output all the way down to "CV"? Then what do I adjust from there? My 22a has one dial, wirespeed only.btw, briggs cast iron engine. Industrial/Commercial model. Last edited by WelderBoy; 08-09-2007 at 03:28 PM.
Reply:Ok, I figured out sort of what many features are. I found a manual online but it wasn't very specific on things. For example, you set voltage from 0-10. What is the voltage range exactly?Also, can you hook up any wirefeeder to this since it does CV? Assuming you have any required adapters to power the feeder.Also, it says you need some type of capacitor inline on your leads if you use a high frequency box hooked up to this. Anyone know where I can find one?
Reply:First the knob. For welding, its 0 to 100% of what the taps are set for. Start on 7 and see how you like it. don't go under 3 for stick welding, just go to the next lower tap. I kept mine around 7 or so.For TIG welding, you can go all the way down. The lowest I could get mine to go was just under 50 amps. It was tough for TIG welding. I had a large wire wound resistor I had a hose clamp I slid up and down to get down to about 15 amps. It worked for me especially Tig welding small aluminum. For CV welding, its from as low as it goes to about 20 volts on 10. Again start around 7 or so with .o35 wire on 225? .045 wire on 125 to 175. I was using Co2 for gas. Mine liked .045 wire better. With a welding voltage supplied CV wire feeder, you need no cable, just the ground clip on your ground cable or work. Its a continuous voltage control. The selector stays in CV for the whole scale. that means NO taps for CV welding. Nice.When welding Aluminum with my Hi Freq box plugged into the the welder, I could see the AC welding voltage and Hi freq sort of oscillating because they came from the same power supply. If I plugged the Hi freq box into any other outlet, it didn't do that.YES mine needed a .1 or 1 Mfd cap put across the output terminals before I hooked the hi freq box to it. It was in the instructions, I ordered the cap from lincoln for about $8.00. This was a LONG time ago. Came with instructions.Nice machine there, the next model before the one I had. It should weld wire just great.SHOW us what it can do!DavidLast edited by David R; 08-09-2007 at 09:28 PM.Real world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:You use the voltage or fine control to fine tune your amp setting. For instance if you wanted 100 amps you'd set the amp dial to 110 and the fine control to 6 or 7 but don't go to low on the fine control. On my G8000 if you set the fine control below 5 the arc gets unstable. They made 2 wire feeders for the g8000, the LN-7 and LN-25. I don't see why they wouldn't work on your machine. The manuals for them are still available online.
Reply:Originally Posted by flywheelsThey made 2 wire feeders for the g8000, the LN-7 and LN-25. I don't see why they wouldn't work on your machine.
Reply:Originally Posted by David RIts a continuous voltage control. The selector stays in CV for the whole scale. that means NO taps for CV welding. Nice.
Reply:btw, if I have it set at 80 and I want it to run _AT_ 80 amps, why would I set the 1-10 dial at? Also, what would I do to get 94 amps? Turn it all the way to 10 when set on 80 amps? Sort of confused on that feature still. I get how it works, but not how the settings give me X amperage.
Reply:Geez, 3 posts again while I was typing one. To weld with an LN-25..... I have 2, paid $1,000 for the first one new and $600 for the second one used last year. Both are almost 20 years old.Set the tap for CV. If you are running small wire, set the knob in the lower scale for less volts. 3 or 4? 14v for .023 on small stuff. 18 or so volts for bigger stuff (probably around 7 something) and up to 20 CV welding volts.I could get mine to spray weld with .030 wire on CC all the way up and knob on 10 using Stargon. Some kind of tri mix incuding O2. On CV, it doesn't have enough balls.It will gouge with 1/8" electrodes all day. 3/16 is a little big and it will sometimes not arc especially if you try to push it a little.DavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I must be slow. The front sez Amps with fine set at 10. I put it on 7.5 give or take so I have some fine adjustment once I find the correct tap.If its on 90, and fine set at 10, you should get 90 amps. fine at 8, it should be about 80% of 90 amps or 72 amps. Give or take. I always thought mine put out more than it said. I welded 1/8" 7018 on 90 and 7.5. 5/32 at 125 and 7.5. This seems low, but it was the sweet spot for that machine with 7018.DavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Thanks David. I have a feeling i'll be asking you several questions over the next couple weeks as I get familiar with this machine and get everything setup. So get ready. Good thing you told me about the fine control because I thought it was completely different.
Reply:Just have A bunch of rod, and some scrap. Use the thing until you got the hang of it. "Bond" with it.DavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:If you want 80 amps you'd set the amps to 80 and the fine control to 10. If you want 94 amps you'd set the amps to 95 and the fine control to 8 or 9, it's not an exact science. You leave the fine control on 10 for the full amp setting 95, 110, 130 etc. unless you want something in between. If you wanted amps between 110 and 130 you'd set it for 130 and lower the fine control setting. You have to play around with it.
Reply:Every day you have a new welder and don't use it, its a sin.David Real world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Looks like you scored a good deal. About time you had a little good luck. About 20 years ago I worked for a guy who had one of these welders. It worked well for general repair work. Hope it works well for you.Last edited by tresi; 08-09-2007 at 10:09 PM.
Reply:That be what I was thinking it was. Mine was the straight CC model. Just keep a gas can handy. Those Briggses are thirsty little beasties. Mine would run about 4-5 hrs on a tankful, depending on how hard I was running it. One thing I liked about them was the fact you could pull start them. Can't really do that with a Bobus...now would you want to.
Reply:I didn't even check if I could pull start mine. I'll check.
Reply:That was one reason I upgraded my machine. It would run from breakfast to lunch or less on a tank full. I had to carry a 5 gallon can with me. Not a good thing for a welder to do. New machine has a 12 gallon tank and I can run it two 8 hour days.DavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
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Reply:Originally Posted by WelderBoy What is the voltage range exactly?Also, can you hook up any wirefeeder to this since it does CV? Also, it says you need some type of capacitor inline on your leads if you use a high frequency box hooked up to this. Anyone know where I can find one?
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderBoybtw, if I have it set at 80 and I want it to run _AT_ 80 amps, why (sic) would I set the 1-10 dial at? Also, what would I do to get 94 amps? Turn it all the way to 10 when set on 80 amps?
Reply:The manual says "On 95-130amp tap with the output control set to 0 you will get 95 amps output".First of all I thought that the output control as a percentage of what tap you are on from 0-tap. Also, what is the 95-130amp tap? There isn't any tap like that. The manual really isn't clear.
Reply:That sentence is worded incorrectly. Disregard. In fact, cross it out of your manual altogether...it is NOT in my hard copy manual. You are correct, it does not apply to the models you and I have.Last edited by 69 chevy; 08-10-2007 at 03:35 PM.WeldingWeb forum--now more sophomoric banter than anything else!
Reply:Alright, that makes sense now. I picked up my tools from work today as well as several pounds of assorted rods from 3/32 6010/7018 to 5/32 7018 so I will head over to a friend's and start it up and start welding today or tomorrow. |
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