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I've heard Miller has bought Weldcraft and Smith Equipment. I've also read Weldcraft tig torches are now outsourced to China. Were they before the merger, or is the outsourcing new since Miller took them over? If I want American made stuff, do I need to buy all the existing Weldcraft and Smith regulators I can find before they are all gone?Miller Syncrowave 250Miller ThunderboltMiller 211Hypertherm Powermax 30
Reply:I heard the Chinese are going to import them thar Mezkinz and Guatemalans and label the Victor, Smith,Miller, Milwaukee and all the other stuff: "Made By American".Then Lincoln and Uniweld iare going to label their stuff : Hecho en los Estados Unidos.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Eccoma - whether you like it or not you just better get used to buying stuff (tools) that are NOT made in the USA.
Reply:Doesn't everybody? You know those 6-year old Chinese kids work really cheap! Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:The import business seems to be ITW's new business model. Several of my coworkers have had Miller hoods and all the lenses have pooped out within 2 years. The hoods sell because of the constantly upgraded graphics. Not the quality. Keep all the prices the same, or better yet, automatically raise them 3%-4% a year. Have the stuff made to ITW specs in china or just use asia parts off the shelf. On the new MM252 the front casters, ground clamps, fan motors, etc. are all imported. Miller even downgraded the on/off switch recently. Using the same oversized light switch they have been putting on the cheaper stuff like the thunderbolts.
Reply:Both Miller and Smith are owned by ITW. I guess they saw some advantage to bringing the Smith name and equipment into the Miller lineup."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Bringing in the Smith name and rebadging some of the common stuff to "miller" is an advantage on the west coast. Before, most of the welding stores had no smith items in stock. Now several carry the torches, tips, and regulators in the standard miller displays. Only time will tell if they outsource the new "miller" smith items to china. Much of this lineup does NOT have the smith lifetime warranty. Maybe it is the same and they just want to save on warranty replacements.
Reply:They will put Miller name on Smith products and double the price tag. Sent from my SCH-I545 using TapatalkTiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by PoptmEccoma - whether you like it or not you just better get used to buying stuff (tools) that are NOT made in the USA.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPDoesn't everybody? You know those 6-year old Chinese kids work really cheap!
Reply:They're forced to work out by a violent militarized police force !Last edited by Burpee; 02-15-2014 at 01:36 PM.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeThey're forced to work out by a violent militarized police force !
Reply:If consumers let this happen through the "everyone else is doing it" mentality, then you may as well forget about the remainder of United States manufactured goods. I have a fridge that needs replacement and there's no recourse to the unforgivable failure that it had; broken shelves. It was labeled Frigidaire but that is yet another company that has gone to pot with corporate raiders playing a shell game with consumers.If Miller and Smith go this route, I hope someone else can step in and manufacture a reliable product that isn't just rebadged junk for $10 less. I know of professionals that are sick of paying Snap-On prices for Chinese tools that snap in half and have just started buying from Harbor Freight because there is no difference.The bottom line is greed, why make a product designed, manufactured and priced for a few professionals when you can do the same and sell many more to hobbyists, dreamers and shove it down the throats of those who need them to make money with them because there are no better options left. It's a dollar store mentality, sell millions of cheap crap items and make a huge mark up rather than a small number of well made products that will last for a small mark up.Miller and Lincoln's line up already reflects a change in character from well made products priced accordingly to a dizzying line up of stuff that is incrementally better and priced close enough together to make one want to get the next product up range because features that would have cost the price of a $2 connector or $10 circuit board in lesser products are eliminated to make a needless hierarchy of product that resembles something from a car stealership. Want a foot pedal? Sorry, get the next welder up the line up. Want reliability? Make sure it's under warranty! I know many younger folk my age who have given up on being consumers of products made anywhere and have started raising goats, taking up blacksmithing, pottery and otherwise living like hippies. I don't think I could go that route because I enjoy technology, I just don't like the technology that's being made right now.
Reply:One of the reasons so few people take up OAW is because the torches they sell are garbage. It's like if you gave someone a Harbor Freight TIG and coat hanger wire and expected them to learn how to make good welds. I may need to get another AW1 handle and set of tips to stash away just in case. Otherwise I'll need to get better at tying knots. I think our nation's leaders will only be happy when this country resembles Gilligan's Island.
Reply:Originally Posted by pedaldudeI think our nation's leaders will only be happy when this country resembles Gilligan's Island.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPBoy it sure seems that way!Instead of bringing the 3rd world countries up to our level they want to drag us down to the 3rd world countries level!
Reply:My Profax torches are made in Pearland Texas!!!!!
Reply:Geez, here we go again.Miller has been making welders and parts with imported parts for awhile now. You guys have to get off your made in America, because it simply doesn't happen anymore.Even if it's "made in America" do you think that all the parts inside weren't sourced from some other place?Miller, Lincoln made in America...blah blah blah. You guys realize that the Miller helmets you all love are made in Korea? Or that the Lincoln helmets are made in China? Or that all the tungsten you find is probably from China.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:I was using a friend's Miller plasma machine that's about four years old. I happened to look at the cheap-O work clamp and saw that it said right on it "made in China." I guess Miller has been adding Chinese components on their machines now for a while. "Hey I didn't come to look and learn, I came to turn and burn.... If I can't light up, I'm gonna light out!"-JodyIdealarc 250 "Fatman"MM 252MM 211 "Little boy" Victor Torches
Reply:The mighty dollar always rules if its made in china then dont buy it support or own manufacturing thats how you work your self out of recession buy products with as much north american content as possible if there is no other option thats my 2 cents from a factory worker like alot of you are!!!
Reply:Toss that computer and disconnect from the internet forever. It's all Chinese ! So are your pants ! And that pen in your pocket. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Don't open that door ! The hinges and knobs are Chinese !!! Ahhhhhhh ! No cold beer either ! The board controlling your fridge is evull too !Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:This is goodLast edited by Burpee; 02-17-2014 at 05:26 AM.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Like they say, follow the money trail. It's all about American executive greed. Money flows into Congressional pockets. Put limits on campaign money, and pass term limits and we might be on our way to fixing this. Ha-ha, that ain't going to happen. Don't get me started on this. It just infuriates me.Miller Bobcat 250Syncrowave 200Millermatic 252Spoolmatic 30ASpectrum 625 X-TremeMaxstar 150SVictor O/A torchesDewalt angle grindersWelded on/off for over 40 years.
Reply:There actually is a trend of pulling back many of the outsourced products to the USA. I also happen to know that you can get very good product from China, I am typing on a 5 year old Lenovo laptop. I have an IPhone setting on the desk next to it. Both excellent, reliable products.....and they were not cheap.A company that wants to build product in China, and is concerned with the products performance and quality, will institute the same type of manufcturing plant with the same types of quality control that many (not all) do in the USA. The product will be as good, and by the time it is properly packed, containered and shipped, it will cost close to the same as in the USA.The majority of the time we tend to compare the cheap, low cost imported items from China, products that are built in shoddy factories with little or no quality control, no plans for after sale support and poor packaging, cheap shipping to higher priced product made in the USA. These products land on our shore at 1/2 the price of similarly spec'd US products, and because a shiny brochure says they are just as good....many of us buy them. The majority of buyers are disapointed, some buyers like the cheap product. Large companies in the welding business sell more than 1/2 of their product outside of the US. It makes sense in many of these cases to set up manufacturing closer to where the product is used as long as the manufacturing is the same as in the US. This is different than laying off US workers and farming work out, rather it is keeping the control of the manufacturing, but making the product closer to the end user. Lincoln and ITW and Esab all do this.I work for Hypertherm, while all of our engineering,manufacturing, assembly is in the USA, well over 60% of our product is exported to the rest of the world. While we have had great success in most areas....adding shipping costs and infrastructure costs while trying to compete on a global market is definitely difficult, but we are proving it can be done with product built in the USA.As far as the internal content of our products: There are discrete components from all over the world. Many components mounted on our circuit boards simply cannot be sourced in the USA. There are components such as some of the cooling fans that are produced in Germany, a few in Japan, there are components from China and just about every region. All of these components pass rigorous testing to ensure quality meets the specs developed by our US engineering before they are used. All of the components are then assembled by USA employees (these employees own Hypertherm under an ESOP program) onto circuit boards, Power boards and finished products (Plasma Cutters, Fiber Laser cutters, Water Jet cutters, CNC control, Torch height controls, etc.).In reality we should not be quite as concerned about where a product is made, rather we should be concerned with its quality, with the companies reputation regarding warranty and after sales long term support. We should also be concerned with the conditions back at the factory where the product was built.....does this company care about its workers? To me it would be nice if you could read an article that describes the plant where each product was built....with details about all of the above. You simply cannot live in a modern American household today and expect that every part of every appliance, tool, or other household goods are made in USA.Jim ColtLast edited by jimcolt; 02-17-2014 at 08:40 AM.
Reply:Very well put Jim . In the dairy industry we get parts and whole milking systems from all over the world some are good and some are junk . We also ship us made systems all over the world.I think one thing Hypertherm illustrates is the difference between privately held vs public companies. Once a company becomes public, profit takes precedent over everything else. Employee satisfaction is generally much higher in large, successful privately held companies than similar public ones. Sent from my SCH-I545 using TapatalkTiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Much the same thing is happening here in Australia. There was a time when you could buy a lincoln welder that was made in Australia. I guess it became more economical to import them from America since they were made in larger number there. Most of the cars on the road are asian. Toyota, Nissan, Isuzu, VW, Kia, Hyundai, etc, etc. All made in Korea, Thailand, China. In the last six months the last 3 companies who manufacture cars locally (GM Holden, Ford and Toyota) have announced they will close down their operations. So now by 2017 there will be no locally built cars. The LNG industry is booming at the moment and 98% of the infrastructure is being built in asia and sent over by ship and installed here. It's a well know fact that the stuff that's being built overseas and installed here is rubbish and doesn't fit but it's still cheaper to get it made over there then modified on site to fit. It's sad to see so much manufacturing leaving our shores but that's the way the world going. Since the 50's the japanese auto manufacturers have been taking over the market and the products are very good. China is now starting to throw its weight around and is selling some very cheap light commercial vehicles that are very well specd. They are using parts form Cummins, Getrag, ZF, Allison and Dana to name a few and all the parts are made in China to the suppliers specs. They have a bit to go in build quality and refinement but so did the Japanese when they showed up. And then there is India and Africa. When China becomes to expansive India will step up and after them, it will be Africa. One thing I don't get though is in this time of environmental awareness, why are people happy to live in a throw away society. I've got a 30 year old fridge in my shed and my grandparents have an old fridge that would have to be 60+ years old and they still run. But new products are lucky to last past their warranty period. Whats up with that?
Reply:"In reality we should not be quite as concerned about where a product is made, rather we should be concerned with its quality, with the companies reputation regarding warranty and after sales long term support. We should also be concerned with the conditions back at the factory where the product was built.....does this company care about its workers? To me it would be nice if you could read an article that describes the plant where each product was built....with details about all of the above"Bull****!! Tell that to the unemployed/underemployed people in this country!!"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I agree with Colt. I don't give a rat's *** where something is made as long as it does what it's supposed to. PERIOD. As a matter of fact I generally try to avoid american made products wherever possible, as quite frankly I find the Asian/European products have better quality control and durability. Example, just bought a Ridgid vise as it was made in Germany. Previous to that it was a Hypertherm PM30, only because HT is regarded as the leader in the field. Originally Posted by farmersamm"In reality we should not be quite as concerned about where a product is made, rather we should be concerned with its quality, with the companies reputation regarding warranty and after sales long term support. We should also be concerned with the conditions back at the factory where the product was built.....does this company care about its workers? To me it would be nice if you could read an article that describes the plant where each product was built....with details about all of the above"Bull****!! Tell that to the unemployed/underemployed people in this country!!
Reply:I certainly don't try to avoid American made products, rather I will go out of my way to buy them. My wife drives a Cadilac, not an Audi or BMW not because it is necessarily better, but because it is a good car and it is made in the U.S. I bought an IPhone because it had all the features I wanted.....and there isn't anything comparable made anywhere but China. I also don't think the Iphone caused any job loss here in the US, rather it made APPLe more succesfull and they added many employees....I think...I do go out of my way to avoid buying anything (American made or not) from companies that intentionally laid off US workers (or Canadian workers) to export work to another company....soley for the purposes of increasing stockholder dividends. Jim Originally Posted by dellwasI agree with Colt. I don't give a rat's *** where something is made as long as it does what it's supposed to. PERIOD. As a matter of fact I generally try to avoid american made products wherever possible, as quite frankly I find the Asian/European products have better quality control and durability. Example, just bought a Ridgid vise as it was made in Germany. Previous to that it was a Hypertherm PM30, only because HT is regarded as the leader in the field.
Reply:This is the statement I agree with. As to the rest, to each his own...In reality we should not be quite as concerned about where a product is made, rather we should be concerned with its quality, with the companies reputation regarding warranty and after sales long term support. Originally Posted by jimcoltI certainly don't try to avoid American made products, rather I will go out of my way to buy them. My wife drives a Cadilac, not an Audi or BMW not because it is necessarily better, but because it is a good car and it is made in the U.S. I bought an IPhone because it had all the features I wanted.....and there isn't anything comparable made anywhere but China. I also don't think the Iphone caused any job loss here in the US, rather it made APPLe more succesfull and they added many employees....I think...I do go out of my way to avoid buying anything (American made or not) from companies that intentionally laid off US workers (or Canadian workers) to export work to another company....soley for the purposes of increasing stockholder dividends. Jim
Reply:One important thing that is seldom addressed is that when cash is spent locally it is generally respent locally. When we send our money away it's usually never seen again, leading to inflation and unemployment. There's a limit to outsourcing.I know a few companies who chose to have components manufactured in Taiwan and they were custom made as replacements for items that weren't made here since the 60's. The Taiwanese parts were better made too and one manufacturer spent a small fortune in tooling and R&D with their supplier in the anticipation that it would be recouped after time. Unfortunately, soon after the parts started showing up on competitors products despite an exclusive agreement. There was no recourse other than to pursue the competitors with barely satisfying results. Enough had slipped out that the U.S. supplier was forced to lower prices and sell the component to the competition to avoid being cut out entirely.Anyone who honestly thinks huge companies are buying up product lines, closing down local factories and shipping manufacturing overseas to help them get better quality at a lower price are under serious delusions. Vise-Grip is a good example, I don't see any significant change in price and side by side the imports have worse finish than the domestic ones I have. Additionally, a few models are no longer available, having been discontinued entirely. The sickening part is that the displays in my local stores all have little American flags next to the price code for the Vise-Grips as well as other Chinese manufactured goods with an office and mailing address somewhere in this country.Do I make my own locking pliers and spend hours at the mill? No, I just buy whatever is good and cheap or keep my eyes open for used deals since I'm a pretty terrible consumer overall and 90% of my stuff was bought secondhand.
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcolt....As far as the internal content of our products: There are discrete components from all over the world. Many components mounted on our circuit boards simply cannot be sourced in the USA. There are components such as some of the cooling fans that are produced in Germany, a few in Japan, there are components from China and just about every region.....You simply cannot live in a modern American household today and expect that every part of every appliance, tool, or other household goods are made in USA.Jim Colt
Reply:Ditto on Jims input. Hypertherm is a very good product. As a lot of you know I'm a Powcon guy. Have a new Arcon Workhorse that is simply awesome. I picked up a 1993 Powcon that needed some work. I pulled it apart and fixed the board. The components used were assembled or made entirely in Mexico. These were mil-spec units(or as close as you can get) used by the Navy as well as other branches. Remember this is a 1993 machine. The component failed due to operator error. They didn't swap all the voltage changeover tabs. Anyway. Quality of parts and a company who stands behind what they sell. Buy American....when you can.Arcon Workhorse 300MSPowcon 400SMTPowcon SM400 x 2Powcon SM3001968 SA200 Redface1978 SA250 DieselMiller Super 32P FeederPre 1927 American 14" High Duty LatheK&T Milwaukee 2H Horizontal MillBryan
Reply:I like the Chinese $h!t. It's fun to modify and bring it up to "satisfactory" working condition, especially when you bring it right home from the store. Like my Harbor Freight engine cherry picker. Two particular welds on the fold-up support legs didn't look right to me. So, I had to grind down those welds (more like painted over under-cut camel snot cottage cheese) on the support legs and went back over them with 7018's. Made them welds "gooder" than new! Chinese made products are like having fun with fall-out.Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller 625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArc... Chinese made products are like having fun with fall-out.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumAll Fukushima'd up?
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersamm"In reality we should not be quite as concerned about where a product is made, rather we should be concerned with its quality, with the companies reputation regarding warranty and after sales long term support. We should also be concerned with the conditions back at the factory where the product was built.....does this company care about its workers? To me it would be nice if you could read an article that describes the plant where each product was built....with details about all of the above"Bull****!! Tell that to the unemployed/underemployed people in this country!!
Reply:There was a documentary on television a year or so ago with a tour and expose of the IPhone factories in China. If we compare the workers salaries and living conditions to our own....then I 100% agree that they are being mistreated by their employers. If you compare their salaries and living conditions to the normal for Chinese mass production factory workers....the IPhone workers are near the top of the scale. They are provided factory housing (extremely large dorms), meals, medical benefits ad pay that is in the upper ranges (I think I heard $2 / hr?) for similar jobs. Many workers are very young and send their pay home to their families that are living in lesser conditions. There is a fairly high suicide rate. This is if we can belive the documentary I saw!Jim Colt Originally Posted by soutthpawHope you don't have a iPhone. Those employees at Foxconn are jumping from the roof of the factory in protest of terrible treatment of employees and working conditions. Same goes for anyone else that agrees with your point of view. So far, I'm not aware of Samsung employees doing the same so I'm good with my phone I just noticed Jim owns an iPhone heh. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by PoptmEccoma - whether you like it or not you just better get used to buying stuff (tools) that are NOT made in the USA.
Reply:In-n Out is private, not public companySent from my SCH-I545 using TapatalkTiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Blows me away that we pay lip service to factory conditions in China Who cares about factory conditions in ChinaWe sure don't care about our own workers!! Where's the disconnect here??????????Some poor dood in W. Virginia asks his boss for more coal dust abatement, or proper tunnel ventilation, and everyone screams about the evil unions. But, by golly, gotta worry about those poor Chinese factory workers. C'mon guysThe whole reason this crap is made in China is so that big business can take advantage of lousy working conditions, lousy environmental laws, and lousy pay. Get real folks Y'all can't even lie with a straight face"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:You are correct farmersamm as you type away on that Chinese keyboard!Jim Originally Posted by farmersammBlows me away that we pay lip service to factory conditions in China Who cares about factory conditions in ChinaWe sure don't care about our own workers!! Where's the disconnect here??????????Some poor dood in W. Virginia asks his boss for more coal dust abatement, or proper tunnel ventilation, and everyone screams about the evil unions. But, by golly, gotta worry about those poor Chinese factory workers. C'mon guysThe whole reason this crap is made in China is so that big business can take advantage of lousy working conditions, lousy environmental laws, and lousy pay. Get real folks Y'all can't even lie with a straight face
Reply:Just bought a SYNCROWAVE 200. Brand new, two left in a dealer's stock.Dealer swears it is American Made . . . we'll see . . .No, it's not refurbed, it is new... Now if the freight people don't destroy it I'll have it Tuesday the 25th.Now I gotta learn to TIG . . . :-)Steve in Louisiana . . .Last edited by Steven DeMars; 02-23-2014 at 07:56 PM.Millermatic® 251
Reply:Originally Posted by that'll_buff_outWell good Sir,At least from me to you, kudos! Even as an employee of a privately held company it still takes quite a bit of 'cojones' to speak authoritatively with that kind of clarity, especially in a thread of this nature. And even this presents a bit of a quandary as that decision distances you from the American business model. This 'profit for shareholder' way of conducting business is not only regularly practiced but religiously encouraged.Globalization is the word of the day here, I think, such as information, economies, materials, products, r&d, engineering, etc..While I work at a USA factory that makes products for American companies, manufacturing (in and of itself) is not the answer to being, maintaining, or gaining the position of the best country in the world. My brother, who has worked for Google for 15 years, earns exponentially more than I do and his employer doesn't have any real tangible products.People need employment, yes, but they need not be necessarily employed manufacturing. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just not 'world leading' anymore like it was in the '40s, '50s, '60s etc. When I typed in "union pens" into Google search box the fourth result is "union pension plans in trouble". While I don't want to make this a labor union discussion, manufacturing in and of itself is the result of labor and machines. Gone are the days of sleeping 'till you need to hit a button at a steel mill making $40 hr.' with a lifetime of payments after retirement. Gone are the days of '$30 hr. cutting grass at an USA auto manufacturer'. Hello to the days though, at least for the last 20 years, that I haven't read a pro-American manufacturing argument on the internet 'typed on an American made' computer. Making things (especially for profit) is very, very personally satisfying but is no longer a driving force behind becoming a world leading country. It has definitely improved the position of 2nd and 3rd world countries that have capitalized on it in the past 20 years. We can list more companies that have gone away than we can list the number of American manufactured products sold by Home Depot."Doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result...." is quite the quote. Don't flame me too much, at 38 I see both sides. I make products on a machine older than me (National Maxi Pres) and have used computers since at least the Texas Instruments TI-994a was available. These are my thought's on the subject, not yours.
Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeYou should see the conditions under the Socialist Dictatorships in Our Back Yard. Deplorable !
Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeThey're forced to work out by a violent militarized police force !Attachment 622041
Reply:Originally Posted by PoptmEccoma - whether you like it or not you just better get used to buying stuff (tools) that are NOT made in the USA.
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleGeez, here we go again.Miller has been making welders and parts with imported parts for awhile now. You guys have to get off your made in America, because it simply doesn't happen anymore.Even if it's "made in America" do you think that all the parts inside weren't sourced from some other place?Miller, Lincoln made in America...blah blah blah. You guys realize that the Miller helmets you all love are made in Korea? Or that the Lincoln helmets are made in China? Or that all the tungsten you find is probably from China.
Reply:Make up your mind... a few weeks back you lit into me about my intentions to use non Hypertherm consumables, basically telling me I'd be doomed if I did. Talk about two faced... Originally Posted by jimcoltYou are correct farmersamm as you type away on that Chinese keyboard!Jim |
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