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Hey all, this is my second post. Hopefully in the right spot to get the best help I can. I am in an intermediate welding class at our community college. We are doing bead pads, T's, and open groove and groove with backing in 1, 3, and 4 positions with 6010 and 7018.I am only 24, but I have pretty unstable hands. Don't know if it's a medical condition, I've never bothered looking into it. I shake pretty bad. With a fresh electrode, when I hold it up to the coupon I'm welding, the electrode shakes all over the place. I do better with 6010 because I have gotten the whip and pause motion down pretty good. It seems keeping my hands moving helps a lot, and I can stack the beads decently. Now if I'm welding 7018 with no electrode motion at all, the involuntary movement of my hands causes pretty inconsistent patterns and causes my beads to be zig zag because I am just dragging the electrode. I don't want to view this as a handicap, instead figure out a way to incorporate this into my technique. I don't think it's noticeable with 6010, but trying to to do overhead with 7018, it is. I find myself having to use both hands to hold the stinger and i feel really uncomfortable if my arms are unsupported. Any body have this problem? Maybe some oldtimer welders can chime in?What, if any, motion have you guys tried?
Reply:I usually use both hands on the electrode holder. Lots of guys do. Find a way to steady yourself. You can do small motions with 7018, small circles or a Z pattern. Lots of things you can try to get a consistent bead.If your hands are as unstable as you say, you need to go see a doctor about it.Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott MoyerAny body have this problem?
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAll my life! But worse since having a couple blown disks in my neck that pinched off nerves in my neck, that affected my right arm horribly. I place my pointer finger of my off hand on the electrode to take the wobble out.
Reply:While I may not have it as bad as you, I do have a similar problem...and it's especially bad when I'm under a lot of pressure and/or fatigued. There are different ways to try to brace yourself and steady up. I've had both hands on the stinger, holding it against my chest. I've had one hand holding the stinger and the other guiding the rod. I've braced my elbow against the fixture or whatever and pushed into it to steady up. I've clamped a vice grip to provide an arm/wrist support. There are ways around it, you just have to experiment.Hobart Stickmate LX235AC/160DCRanger 305GVictor 315 O/A rigHope to acquire in the next couple of years: Hypertherm PM45 and Dynasty 200DX
Reply:Two hands is sometimes the answer. Depending on what and where you are welding, tack some steel to what your welding to support your arm which should help your hands. Your shakes will add character to the design of the bead. Practice will help too.
Reply:My older brother does it also. It probably runs in our family. My uncle has had multiple surgeries for nerve problems in his hands. I might get checked out and maybe docs can catch something in time. Who knows, but every time I go in they keep finding something else wrong with me! lolI caught onto doing Z patterns when doing vertical up. Actually helped. I have to practice that. When my buddy told me about doing Z's on vertical up, I misunderstood him and I was trying to do a weave bead... wasted a little time there...This was in response to squirmypug. Sorry, I thought I was replying directly to your response.Last edited by Scott Moyer; 04-27-2014 at 07:42 PM.
Reply:I've been smaw welding for only a couple months, so I am definitely in the experimental stage of learning what I like best. I weld 6010 vertical up with my stinger perpendicular to my plates. Haha. People say that is unusual, but it is so much more comfortable for me doing the whip and pause, because I learned doing it in the flat position first.(like most I assume)This was in response to JD955SCLast edited by Scott Moyer; 04-27-2014 at 07:45 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAll my life! But worse since having a couple blown disks in my neck that pinched off nerves in my neck, that affected my right arm horribly. I place my pointer finger of my off hand on the electrode to take the wobble out.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott Moyermy welds get better at their end, the electrode is more than half gone by that point and I am way more steady.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPThat's the same way I' am. Sometimes I rest my little finger of my off hand on the plate / pipe, and my pointer finger of my off hand on the electrode until about half the rod is burned up, then drop my off hand out of the way.
Reply:Try watching behind the electrode instead of looking directly at it. I shake also, but i tend to watch the weld pool cool and not stare at the electrode movement.
Reply:first off shaking hands could be a medical condition but barring that are you comfortable while welding? you can't make consistently good welds if you're straining to maintain position. set your feet and lean on something to steady yourself. before striking an arc try a practise run with the stinger to make sure you can complete the weld without being off balance also i would advise you to not get in the habit of using both hands on the stinger. sometimes you need one hand to hold on to be safe or welding in a confined place just won't allow 2 handed welding.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott MoyerI am only 24, but I have pretty unstable hands.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott MoyerI've been smaw welding for only a couple months, so I am definitely in the experimental stage of learning what I like best. I weld 6010 vertical up with my stinger perpendicular to my plates. Haha. People say that is unusual, but it is so much more comfortable for me doing the whip and pause, because I learned doing it in the flat position first.(like most I assume)This was in response to JD955SC
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott MoyerI have never thought about stabilizing the electrode with a finger. I will try it. I can tell on a bead pad, my welds get better at their end, the electrode is more than half gone by that point and I am way more steady.Thank you to everyone for your advice. These are all things I will try when I get back to class on Tuesday.
Reply:Hello Scott, you're not unlike about 99% percent of the welders out there. Having said that consider this, if you try to hold your hand steady you will shake, if you move your hand intentionally ever so slightly you will probably notice that you are able to do so fairly steadily. One of my teaching partners, who is ex-military put it this way: when you are taught to shoot with a rifle open sights they will tell you to use a criss-cross figure 8 type pattern and time your shot to when you line up with the target while doing this. Thus, if you use just a slight weaving motion(side to side possibly) while you are running E7018 you will likely have pretty good control of the puddle and the evenness of the completed bead. This is just a suggestion for you to try along with all of the other good information that has been shared by others. Good luck and best regards, Allanaevald
Reply:Have a beer or two, that'll steady the nerves. Just remember to stop at 1 or 2 or you start getting wobbly for other reasons.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAll my life! But worse since having a couple blown disks in my neck that pinched off nerves in my neck, that affected my right arm horribly. I place my pointer finger of my off hand on the electrode to take the wobble out.
Reply:If your a righty rest your left elbow on anything, even if you put a vice grip there. Feed the rod through your left index and middle finger gently and than slowly remove your left hand when under control. Done! Problem gone brother, give it a shot.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeAnytime I ever saw you your pointer finger was up your nose!
Reply:Originally Posted by 12345678910Shorter rods
Reply:My hands shake a little, keep your hand in your chest as close to your body as possible. Off hand keep a finger out on the rod. That works for mehttp://fucdatbirth.blogspot.com/
Reply:Try grabbing the rod about two inches down from bare end. Set rod in holder and move around in jaws to remove coating.
Reply:try and relax when i tig my face it all up and in there my hands are all over the place. I was having a really off day so i said screw it a busted out the stick. i was laying on the ground barely even looking at the weld as if i was sitting in a lazy boy chair and the weld came out great cause i was relaxed and i wasn't thinking about how my hands were moving. i learned how to use my unsteady hand as part of the circles in stick welding. but when i try tig i get to up tight to flow evenly. i start off two hand then as rod shortness i use oneDefinitely more great tips. Thanks guys. As for beer....I can only wish. The instructors are pretty tough. Ive seen guys get sent home for chewing tobacco in class. Haha
Reply:Originally Posted by ironmangqHave a beer or two, that'll steady the nerves. Just remember to stop at 1 or 2 or you start getting wobbly for other reasons.
Reply:Technically more complex though when viewed in its three dimensional form Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveTechnically more complex though when viewed in its three dimensional form
Reply:Originally Posted by pin2hotNow my head hurts, and not from the hangover. Tim
Reply:What works for me when in a awkward position. I take some pliers,dykes,bolt cutters whatever I can find and cut the electrode in half. The top portion is ready for use and after a little flux removal the bottom half is too. You will find yourself needing a new rod pretty quick though. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkThermal arc 211iCk flex-loc 150 & 130Clamps, saws & grindersHarbor freight 80 amp inverter
Reply:I started welding class when I was 39 and 5 years later I'm past my 3 year mark as a welder for a shipyard with quals in stick, tig, mig and carbon plus torch. When I started I had a problem with my hands shaking due in part to taking the class after work ( working midnights and a morning class with no days off on the same between the two ) plus a moderately heavy sugar and caffeine consumption and a neurological issue. I use both hands when I do any of my welding to hold the electrode except with tig but I brace my arm against the table or an object %60 of the time thats holding the torch whether its my right or left hand. Some things that can effect your fine motor skills are what you eat and drink so steer clear of moderate to large amounts of caffeine and sugars and energy drinks that are loaded with B vitamins ( 5 hours not bad but its best to take half the bottle instead of the whole thing ). Using power tools that cause allot of vibration or significant jarring can aggravate nerves in your hands and arms and back so be sure to use gloves that absorb vibration and take frequent breaks. Poor sleep and a diet will cause you a world of problems trust me. Medications are notorious for causing problems with fine motor skills so if you're on anything such as aderal or zoloft ect ect these can cause the shakes. Past injuries can be a root cause to.Welding Supervisor Department of Corrections.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott MoyerI've been smaw welding for only a couple months, so I am definitely in the experimental stage of learning what I like best. I weld 6010 vertical up with my stinger perpendicular to my plates. Haha. People say that is unusual, but it is so much more comfortable for me doing the whip and pause, because I learned doing it in the flat position first.(like most I assume)This was in response to JD955SC
Reply:I have an issue with shaky hands, too. Doesn't sound like the degree that you have, but nonetheless, I've learned to deal with it. My diet consists of a lot of caffeine, nicotine and sugar; plus graveyard and being up for 20+ hours at school doesn't help. The worst is when I'm thinking about it and my hands will twitch and jump forward. I learned to just watch the puddle melting and focus on that and not the rod. Learn to move with your shakes and keep the puddle moving along(don't try to resist them). Slightly manipulating the puddle (lower case cursive e, z pattern, etc.) also seems to help. "I fully know my place in life, and it's behind a welding helmet...." - Jesse JamesIG: @weldakota |
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