Wreck, wreck, wreck, WRECKER!

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Somebody might of pulled a little bit to hard on this wrecker. What do you think?Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:More.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Somebody already reinforced the front winch. Just not well enough.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:looks like it was 2 blocked and then some!i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:OOPSThink the truck would give you some warning signs before that. Took PULL HARDER to a new level.Run and grab the 90a F/C and have at it.Sent from my SPH-L710 using TapatalkTOO MANY TOOLS & NO MORE SPACE
Reply:That thing needs a serious steam cleaning for starters. Do you plan on fixing it or passing?IAMAW Local 330Airco 300 AC/DC HeliwelderAirco Dip-Pak 200 with Profax spool gunPowr-Kraft AC225Everlast PowerArc 200stBuffalo Forge No.21 drill pressSpeedglas 9100xxAirco, Oxweld, Purox, Victor torchesLincoln Ranger 8
Reply:I bet the guy who did it could break a steel ball w/ a rubber hammer!!                                                     MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120Would have gone off with a bang.....nice to see how well maintained it was too......
Reply:That's the kind of damage you'd expect from abusing a PTO driven winch such as those on the Holmes 750s I used to run.  Never damaged one myself but I know of guys that have.Not the kind of thing you'd expect on a hydraulic drive as the maximum hydraulic pressure setting is supposed to prevent that sort of thing.  Wouldn't be surprised if you found the relief valve set higher that it should be because "this dang thing won't pull the moss off a dead stump!".Looking forward to the repair.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55That's the kind of damage you'd expect from abusing a PTO driven winch such as those on the Holmes 750s I used to run.  Never damaged one myself but I know of guys that have.Not the kind of thing you'd expect on a hydraulic drive as the maximum hydraulic pressure setting is supposed to prevent that sort of thing.  Wouldn't be surprised if you found the relief valve set higher that it should be because "this dang thing won't pull the moss off a dead stump!".Looking forward to the repair.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Ya think? Yeah, but I bet you can fix it
Reply:Keep us informed mate!!!That looks like a decent job once you steam clean it....
Reply:Rectum!? Damn near killed him!!http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
Reply:Originally Posted by irish fixitI believe he was most likely using the boom to lift it thus putting way to much strain on the winch itself.
Reply:I would not know where to start, luckily there is people with a lot of skill and experience!
Reply:Pressure washer, wrenches, cutting torch, overhead crane, big sledge . . . MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by Casper van NiekerkI would not know where to start...
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopKeep us informed mate!!!That looks like a decent job once you steam clean it....
Reply:Originally Posted by pin2hotJack up the fuel tank cap and back a new wrecker under it???
Reply:Originally Posted by irish fixitTrue but the boom has to be designed to handle both winches so pulling on only one puts twice as much stress on it compared to design. That combined with over sized cables made the winch mount the weakest point.
Reply:Careful washing that thing, it might just fall apart.  Or you might discover a whole mess of things to fix.  Good luck
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Good point and agreed.  Overall design is a balancing act in many aspects.I always had the advantage of several other small to large "recovery units" available for heavy lifting.  I hate the "wrecker" reference and it's outfits like the ones the Discovery channel has and currently feature as "professional towing/recovery experts" that often give them that reputation.If there's one thing I miss doing the most it's heavy recovery/towing work.
Reply:Its obvious that maintenance was a high priority in this organizationVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Originally Posted by DualieIts obvious that maintenance was a high priority in this organization
Reply:Here's some updated pics. Still a long ways to go but we've pretty much got it dismantled and cleaned.  Nice example of somebodies past weld on this rig. These are the broken mounts on the winch.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htmSeals are in nice condition. This is why you don't let just anybody stretch a truck. No prep just run a bead over the butted seam and this is what you get. Fortunately they did overkill it and it's double gloved with seams staggered so it's not as critical as it could be.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:The nice job of reinforcing the front winch somebody did in the past. Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Interesting how the crack runs up the piece. I was thinking these had been bent from plate or where pieces of frame but I think they're actually pieces of square or rectangular tube cut in half.  I know the uprights to holding the back of the boom are made that way. This must of been the weld seam of the tube.  All I've got for now.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Originally Posted by irish fixitAll I've got for now.
Reply:got a pic of the entire truck?   guessing this is a Class A size?  hope you give them a really big repair bill.  someone needs to learn a lesson in maintenance.  if its not a owner/op then if it was me, someone would be getting the axeTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:I'm with southpaw.  Hope your charging them alot.
Reply:Ok here's a overall shot right now. Probably get some flack for this one. No I'm not 100% happy with how I've got it up and I want it back down as quickly as possible. In the mean time no getting under the truck. Seals should be in tomorrow so we can get the cylinder back in the stiff leg probably the day after tomorrow since I've got to go out of town after lunch tomorrow.  A shot of the two stages of boom removed to rebuild the cylinders. Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Zach-Lift under reach.  Installed/operated a couple of those.  Nice units.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:SO, is this like a wrecker service that would say, be dispatched and roll up on a wreck on I-40?  No offense to the owner, but I'm pretty sure if that showed up to work a wreck here the trooper would have a red tag on it before they ever stretched a winch cable out...  I can just imagine hooking to a rollover rig and pulling your tow truck in two right in the middle of the highway...  When oilfield started back up here in the late 90's, there was so much junk that people were literally dragging out of the weeds and brush and putting back on the road it was horrible.  I hadn't bought my Pete yet then, so I was still using my '80 model Mack which is a winch tractor.  Got pulled over and inspected constantly...  They always thought it was "oilfield".  One finally told me it was one of the nicest oilfield trucks he had inspected in years.  I told him I don't really do oilfield, specialize in pipeline, but mainly natural gas.  Oilfield has been good enough in recent years that most of the local companies have finally upgraded equipment, so it's not as bad now.-------------------------Chemetron AC/DC 300 HFSnap-On MM300L Lincoln SP140 Lincoln AC/DC 225g Lincoln SA200 Lincoln SA200 Miller Bobcat 225GVictor torchesH&M and Mathey beveling machinesMcElroy Plastic pipe fusion
Reply:At least when it leaves your shop it will be road worthy.  You've got quite a project there, but from seeing past jobs I know you can handle it.-------------------------Chemetron AC/DC 300 HFSnap-On MM300L Lincoln SP140 Lincoln AC/DC 225g Lincoln SA200 Lincoln SA200 Miller Bobcat 225GVictor torchesH&M and Mathey beveling machinesMcElroy Plastic pipe fusion
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Zach-Lift under reach.  Installed/operated a couple of those.  Nice units.
Reply:So Irish, how did it go?
Reply:It looks like it still rolls, I'd roll that hunk of junk straight to the scrapyard.
Reply:Still working on it. Not a lot of updates welding wise yet.   We got the stiff leg cylinder rebuilt and installed. The two boom cylinders are rebuilt and out of the way. Finally got the winch apart for a full inspection.   After calling about winch and parts price then talking to the owner we're going to replace the A frame bearing on the idle end with a new one. I would braze it but there's really not enough meat to satisfy me considering the stress that's on it. A new one is about $600. The gear case which also has a leg broken on it is another story. It's $1800 for a new one. There's also enough meat for a good brazing job. Plus I can reinforce it with a plate. I'm satisfied that it'll be alright.   Everything else in the winch looks good. Not much wear on the worm wheel or damage to anything else.   I could probably braze the idle end and be alright but it just nags at me that it's not quite enough. Reinforcing options on that end are more limited. I'm still studying the problem. The parts are soaking to get them clean right now and when I get started I'll know better how well the cast takes the brazing.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Thanks for the update   I know it's "WeldingWeb", but I enjoy all phases of these kinds of jobs you do - and always learn something.  If you're willing to post up more about rebuilding the stiff leg and two boom cylinders, I think you would find a happy audience here too!  I figure at some point in the future I'll have to learn about rebuilding cylinders - even if not to do it myself, to at the bare minimum understand the process and steps involved in the job.  Kind of reminds me of the thread you did a while back on fixing a motor for an oilfield application (if I remember correctly), where you had to do a ton of machining to make a monster angle plate - maybe it was not all welding related, but it was awesome!
Reply:Thanks.   I had a LOT of interruptions last week making progress slow. What we did get done was mostly on the cleaning and taking apart stage. We're fixing to get into the more interesting stages next week so look for updates then.  It's a little late for the rebuilding of the cylinders. I do have some pics of what the seals looked like when I got them apart. I didn't have much time to do any documenting of the installing of the stiff leg cylinder. Jobs like that require full attention to what everybody is doing in order to keep it safe.   If it works out I'll try to setup the camera when we stab the boom sections back in place. That's a interesting operation for sure.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Ok here's some pics of the boom cylinders while they where apart.  As you can see the seals where pretty much gone.  This is what water in the hydraulic system does to seals. Depending on temperature. If it's hot then it doesn't take to long to do this.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Here's some A1 top notch work done by somebody in the past. It's the back of the stiff leg cylinder. I still can't figure out how they managed to tear them up since all they do is push.Millermatic 252XMT 304'sDynasty 280DXHypertherm PowerMax 1250Miller Trailblazer 302 EFIOptima PulserXR feeder and XR Edge gun and more athttp://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm
Reply:Wow, that's one of those big jobs to be proud of, if the owner doesn't try to cheap out on you. On some of the old repairs, Ive seen better work on farm equipment done with a buzzbox. That frame rail weld makes me queasy. lol.
Reply:Irish,I've seen some pretty nappy work done on hydraulic cylinders before and that's right up there with the worst of it.   Even the weld on that thread-o-let doesn't look all that good.   It would be my guess that the ID of that cylinder probably needs to be honed before it goes back together also.
Reply:Originally Posted by HT2-4956Irish,I've seen some pretty nappy work done on hydraulic cylinders before and that's right up there with the worst of it.   Even the weld on that thread-o-let doesn't look all that good.   It would be my guess that the ID of that cylinder probably needs to be honed before it goes back together also.
Reply:Originally Posted by 12V71Wow, that's one of those big jobs to be proud of, if the owner doesn't try to cheap out on you. On some of the old repairs, Ive seen better work on farm equipment done with a buzzbox. That frame rail weld makes me queasy. lol.
Reply:Seals? All I see is what the sharks didn't like.You definitely got the fun job this time! City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Looks almost like the pushers were not pulled up  tight and rattled for a long while.Miller 180SDLincoln weld pak 180Hobart 250ciMill Lathe
Reply:Originally Posted by tanglediverSeals? All I see is what the sharks didn't like.You definitely got the fun job this time!