Chop saw. U.S.A. made?

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I would like to know if there is any chop saws made in the states. Wont buy chinese. Thanks Harold
Reply:It's such a shame that there's no reply to this but there's probably not one made here. Too bad. That's also the reason there's very few jobs here. People just don't get it. or just don't care which is worse.
Reply:Originally Posted by emanIt's such a shame that there's no reply to this but there's probably not one made here. Too bad. That's also the reason there's very few jobs here. People just don't get it. or just don't care which is worse.
Reply:I seriously doubt that gov't taxes and regulations are to blame for the minimal offering of U.S. manufactured abrasive chop saws. More likely would be the average Joe wanting to pay no more than $100-$150 for an abrasive chop saw.Going up a level in both cost and design, Kalamazoo still makes a fine American made, last I knew, abrasive chop saw. I have the Do-All version in a 10" and it is a beast.http://bandsawblade.com/kalamazoo.ht...FUhjTAod7SS3_gLincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by CharleyhorseThe reason we don't make things here is because gov't taxes and regulations have made itunprofitable to do so.  It simply costs too much to make things in America.  We will start making things here again only when the business climate improves. That may not happen until we experience a few decades, or maybe even a century of grinding poverty and misery.  It took Russia 75 years of severe pain before they could get rid of their centrally managed gov't.  The same thing may happen here.
Reply:the problem is, you want dirt cheap disposable crap, and then you want it made in a country with actual living wages.there are "chop saws" by which I assume you mean abrasive disc cut off saws, made in the USA.they just cost more than the throw away units at Harbor Freight.Everett, for example, has been making em here for years-http://www.everett-ind.com/everett/index.htmthere are a couple of other companies that make similar saws in the USA, too. They are made of metal, not plastic, use real motors, and last a lifetime.but they cost more than most people want to pay.http://www.kalamazooind.com/Makita still has a factory in Buford Georgia, but I am not sure what tools they make there.I am pretty sure they make miter saws for wood there, but I dont know if they make their metal cutting chop saws there too.If you really want american, buy an ellis bandsaw...
Reply:Originally Posted by dstevensAnd as shareholders of public companies demand more and more return, something has to give.
Reply:Thanks guys. Didnt realize there were so many of these still made here. I will have to get on the horn tomorrow and check them out. Harold
Reply:Government regulation and taxation are not the only factor, but they are high on the list of the many reasons jobs are fleeing the USA. Do not dismiss so fast the impact that regulation and law impact business in the USA. Tort reform, EPA reform, IRS reform, are all things that need to happen along with you the consumer DECIDING that buying from your neighbor is better for you than buying from CHINA. Until you the consumer wakes up government will not reform.
Reply:I believe regulation needs to shift from the producer to the product, that would help level the playing field. In other words: everything sold in USA should have to comply with the equivalent EPA, OSHA, etc. standards, regardless of origin. Also, using the name of a place in USA for products made elsewhere should be outlawed. If the damn thing says "Minneapolis" it ought to have been made in Minneapolis, or at least near by.It's a shame that the Japanese company is the only one left making tools in USA.Rant over.My makita grinder was made in USA, and I'm happy to report it's the best grinder I've ever had.Ian TannerKawasaki KX450 and many other fine tools
Reply:I think it would be easier to fix our problems at the ballot box than at the Big Box store. The laws of economics are called laws for a reason. And I think congress should be a volunteer job. Anybody that wouldn't do the job gratis doesn't have the right attitude.
Reply:Originally Posted by dstevensThe reason most tools aren't made here has nothing to do with taxes regs.  We have some of the lowest tax rates and regs in the developed world, Particularly compared to western Europe.
Reply:Originally Posted by Jake98I think it would be easier to fix our problems at the ballot box than at the Big Box store. The laws of economics are called laws for a reason. And I think congress should be a volunteer job. Anybody that wouldn't do the job gratis doesn't have the right attitude.
Reply:Originally Posted by David HillmanEven if you managed to find an honest candidate to vote for, how would you keep them from being corrupted by Washington?  Did you know that insider trading is legal when done by Congressmen?  They've actually exempted themselves from that law ( along with millions of others ).
Reply:Well, dont think one of them should be that hard to build. Two bearings and a motor made in U.S.A. and I am in business. Checked on the Kalazamoo saw and they wanted 2065 bucks. Thanks for all your help. Harold
Reply:Originally Posted by bassboy1If shareholders want more, there are two options - lower costs of production, or raise prices.  Seeing as raising prices would cause folks to quit buying, which would counteract the shareholder's desire for more, the most economically viable option would be lowering costs, often with the use of more efficient machinery, or a new method of creating the same widget,
Reply:Originally Posted by bassboy1Unfortunately, you are right, and as such, the only way to get out of this mess is to pretty well crash completely, clear the slate, and start over.
Reply:Originally Posted by Jake98We need to crash the runaway train that is federal spending. State spending too, in lots of places.
Reply:I don't know why people are so hung up on where things are made. There's no way I would buy an inferior product just so I could say 'I bought locally made product'.__________________________________________________  _I could not care less where anything is made. I don't fall for the myth that locally made is 'better'. If I think something is good value for ME, I'll buy it. That said, I do like European quality
Reply:Originally Posted by LlundbergI don't know why people are so hung up on where things are made. There's no way I would buy an inferior product just so I could say 'I bought locally made product'.
Reply:Originally Posted by Jake98I think it would be easier to fix our problems at the ballot box than at the Big Box store. The laws of economics are called laws for a reason. And I think congress should be a volunteer job. Anybody that wouldn't do the job gratis doesn't have the right attitude.
Reply:We already have 10X as many laws as we need. We should mothball the capitol, they could take care of business over the internet like everyone else. After one term they get benefits for life, gimme a break.LibertarianLincoln AC/DC 225Everlast PowerPlasma 70 Hobart IronmanEverlast PowerTig 200DX
Reply:Originally Posted by dstevensThe reason most tools aren't made here has nothing to do with taxes regs.  We have some of the lowest tax rates and regs in the developed world, Particularly compared to western Europe.   Our government subsidizes more large business and industries than most other develop markets.  Craftsman and Snap On still manage to make tools here.  The reason for the offshoring is that the market, we, in the US are demanding lower and lower prices.  And as shareholders of public companies demand more and more return, something has to give.  In a business labor is typically the largest operating expense.  Middle class workers in China that have good jobs make a grand or less a month.  A month.  Normal over there are 6 days of 10-14 hours a day.  Would you work for $12k/ year (and thats a good, high paying job over there) under those conditions?
Reply:I am not opposed to international products, I have some very well made stuff thats imported. None of it says China though. German, Swiss, Japanese, British, Swedish and Chech are all countries where I own a product from and got a good product.When I originally got into metal/tools/steel/knives/guns I had a list of where the best made steel in the world came from. Short list: ( in no particular order)1. Sheffield England2. Sweden3. Soligen Germany4. USAThere was a almost as good tier with some names like Japan and Czechoslovakia and a couple others.Now go look at the #1 tier list and who even still makes steel on that list...England doesn't manufacturer anything but thugs nowdays, Sweden still does some but hard to buy in the US do to cost, Soligen ( and Krupp ) are specialty markets small production, and the US steel market is a fraction of what it was post WWII. All of the above seemed to suffer from the same problem competion from inferior product at cheaper prices. Sheffield in particular suffered from the general shutting down of British industry and had nobody to sell to. A interesting observation on quality steel, I am ex Army and a places that make good quality cannon barrels make good steel, has to do with three rounds through the barrel and the barrel drooping with crummy steel. That above first tier list all made good cannon barrels some still do.I will close with a couple of quotes:“Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives.”“Quality is not act.  It is a habit.” ~Aristotle"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey."
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweld  If we lowered the minimum wage back to 5.25, it'd hurt for about a year or so for some folk but in the end prices would drop and people would go back to work.Originally Posted by Drf255Yes, but this is our own fault.  What "Normal" person hasn't made a few mistakes in their lifetime?   What normal person doesn't need to make a living?  We seem to not be able to elect someone who's ever made a mistake.  Does anyone here really think that Herman Cain pinching his secretaries A$$ makes him a terrible candidate for president?  Cast the first stone.  We also expect these guys to do the job for relatively little pay.   Pay them a boatload as a salary and stop the corruption necessary for these guys to make a decent living.
Reply:Originally Posted by WeldingMachineBecause the USA used to build everything for everyone, & things used to last.  Now we do not, & Nothing lasts...There are 15 Million people in the USA that used to have good manufacturing jobs and are now out on the street, we SHOULD worry about where stuff is made.The Kalamazoo chopsaw is a bear & will last forever, but isn't very portable.
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoyI seriously doubt that gov't taxes and regulations are to blame for the minimal offering of U.S. manufactured abrasive chop saws. More likely would be the average Joe wanting to pay no more than $100-$150 for an abrasive chop saw.Going up a level in both cost and design, Kalamazoo still makes a fine American made, last I knew, abrasive chop saw. I have the Do-All version in a 10" and it is a beast.http://bandsawblade.com/kalamazoo.ht...FUhjTAod7SS3_g
Reply:Originally Posted by Jake98Crash the whole country?? I hope that's not what you're saying, half of us will starve and it'll get very ugly. We need to crash the runaway train that is federal spending. State spending too, in lots of places.
Reply:Hey guys,The OP's initial query was to obtain information regarding US made chop saws........NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!  Here we go again......more useless political diatribe that has to be interjected into another F'n simple thread. POST YOUR MINDLESS POLITICAL BANTERING ON THE OFF TOPIC SECTION...............  TIC...TIC....TIC....DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Originally Posted by fredschromI am not opposed to international products, I have some very well made stuff thats imported. None of it says China though. German, Swiss, Japanese, British, Swedish and Chech are all countries where I own a product from and got a good product.When I originally got into metal/tools/steel/knives/guns I had a list of where the best made steel in the world came from. Short list: ( in no particular order)1. Sheffield England2. Sweden3. Soligen Germany4. USAThere was a almost as good tier with some names like Japan and Czechoslovakia and a couple others.Now go look at the #1 tier list and who even still makes steel on that list...England doesn't manufacturer anything but thugs nowdays, Sweden still does some but hard to buy in the US do to cost, Soligen ( and Krupp ) are specialty markets small production, and the US steel market is a fraction of what it was post WWII. All of the above seemed to suffer from the same problem competion from inferior product at cheaper prices. Sheffield in particular suffered from the general shutting down of British industry and had nobody to sell to. A interesting observation on quality steel, I am ex Army and a places that make good quality cannon barrels make good steel, has to do with three rounds through the barrel and the barrel drooping with crummy steel. That above first tier list all made good cannon barrels some still do.I will close with a couple of quotes:“Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives.”“Quality is not act.  It is a habit.” ~Aristotle"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey."
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey guys,The OP's initial query was to obtain information regarding US made chop saws........NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!  Here we go again......more useless political diatribe that has to be interjected into another F'n simple thread. POST YOUR MINDLESS POLITICAL BANTERING ON THE OFF TOPIC SECTION...............  TIC...TIC....TIC....Denny
Reply:" Tell that to a company that once existed here , " Bethlehem Steel" "look in off topic
Reply:Don't blame the government, blame the unions who lobbied the idiot government. But what kind of cuts are you looking to make?  Band saws are real nice and you threw the 10g number out there.  You can buy a seriously nice band saw for a lot less than that... $1500 will have you cutting straighter and faster than any abrasive saw could.  You know... as long as you're not cutting a lot of super hard or work hardening alloys.
Reply:Originally Posted by David HillmanWe might be demanding it, but we're not getting it.  Dividends yields are historically low during the 'offshoring decades'.
Reply:Originally Posted by papaharley03Sorry to disagree, but the first thing management typically does to cut costs, is to lay off workers. It produces a brief feeling of euphoria for management, until they see the drop in productivity because they have demoralized all of their workforce. Watched it happen time and time again in my profession over a quarter century and in many other businesses.But just like American Airlines, the workers get boned, while management continues to draw big salaries and bonuses.
Reply:Bassboy have you ever lived or even traveled outside of the US?  Just curious.LOL @ Luggy, equating the crash with the rise in minimum wage.  I seem to remember this little thing called the mortgage crisis.....
Reply:Hey guys,Since there is nothing valuable to add to this thread.....Bye....bye....DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."