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What I want to do is mount a 2000lb HF electric winch on my F350 pick up bed.What I'm looking for as far as advice is do you think my design will work or will I just end up bending the side rails of my bed?Only thing I plan on useing the winch for is to load my 250 Kawasaki Bayou ATV into the back of the truck...pulling it up ramps.Plan is to use 5/32 wall (or whatever the actually gauge equivelant is) steel tube.This design will mount into the stake pockets and then I'll have a foot long "brace" welded on to the verticle tube that will rest on the top rail of the box. Hoping this would be enough to spread the load and not bend the box.Not the best artist but hopefully you get the idea from the pics.Hope that makes sense. Attached Images
Reply:I would mount the winch on the ATV so you could use it in the field/trailsEd Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Would still need to have an attachment point in the bed to winch it up though...so I'd have the same questions. Trails I'm on are all state DNR, established trails. We've ridden these for years and years and no one has ever gotten stuck.
Reply:No answers but There ain't much metal in these beds or any strength in or around the stake pockets so I think you're looking at building some beefy bulkhead arrangement myself. About what you are currently talking about only not relying on the stake pockets for any real strength. Can't really say what I'd do without actually deciding to do it myself but after having bent, straightened and reinforced a few bulkheads I do know there isn't much there. A lot of skin to attach to but any strength has to be added by you and built in based on the task you want it to perform. Quads aren't light any more for sure. Building in any strength is hard to do if you want to preserve the "original cosmetics". I rarely do that. If I want to build something "hell for stout" that's what I do. If I wanted a pretty truck I'd leave it alone and forget about doing any serious duty. Pure opinion. There are trucks for work and then there are trucks for looks."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Some years ago Warn had a bedmount for utility winches called Powermate.I've built a similar thing to pull up my mig welder on ramps, the Warn unit seemed slightly overpriced to me. I use the existing stake pockets for installation, so no extra holes and easy removal. The winch is not hardwired to the vehicle, I use some sort of a jumper cable to feed the winch.Sorry for not having pics of the brackets inside the pockets, but this mount was built long before I had a digicam.The tubes are 40x40x2 mm which is roughly 1.5"x1.5"x.08". More than strong enough in this configuration. Even the stake pockets never complained. It doesn't take much pull to get an ATV or a big welder into the bed. Attached Images
Reply:Well there ya go with the connectors shown and all Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:The connectors are from used computer back-ups'. Cheep find on a fleemarket.They're for the remote control. The "jumper cable" will go to these machined SS contact points. The white isolators are machined from glass filled teflon. Attached Images
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1Well there ya go with the connectors shown and all
Reply:Wow chevyman_de, ask and ye shall receive! I think I have the idea for the stake pockets too.I'll post more once I get 'er started.Thank you!
Reply:Instead of a photo...The bracket has a welded 2nd plate underneath which fits exactly into the stake pocket. A massive clamping block goes over the complete length of the stake pocket. The nut for the bolt was machine from a long piece of SS, it almost reaches the bottom of the pocket. The head of a stainless allen head bolt was welded to its end. Now you can easily turn/hold the nut with an allen wrench through the bottom hole in the pocket. Attached Images
Reply:That's a seriously slick setup.... great design job and an even better execution of the design. You need to patent that setup or at least manufacture them for sale...
Reply:Originally Posted by mudbugoneThat's a seriously slick setup.... great design job and an even better execution of the design. You need to patent that setup or at least manufacture them for sale...
Reply:OK, I always have to ask the "dumb" question. Why can't your ATV power itself up the ramps??? Unless those are terribly steep ramps. MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:I always rode my 3-wheelers up the ramps into the truck bed. Only time they went up by other means was if they were dead and couldn't run, in which case, I got a running start and pushed them up. My gooseneck hitch under the bed floor would make for a perfect winch mount. Mount winch to thick plate, weld square tube protruding down from bottom of plate, drop tube into hitch hole, slide pin through, all done.Last edited by DesertRider33; 06-12-2010 at 08:34 PM.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by CUOFFROADx2....how much for shipping from Germany? Going to have to think more about the stake pocket mounting. I wasn't thinking anything near as fancy as what you have. I'm going to have to find some kind of "off the shelf" solution and maybe modify it. Other than the ability to cut steel and weld it I have no machinery to build custom parts. You do have me thinking though...and I do appreciate it!
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusOK, I always have to ask the "dumb" question. Why can't your ATV power itself up the ramps??? Unless those are terribly steep ramps. Mike
Reply:Originally Posted by CUOFFROADAhhh yes, I knew this question would come up....and not a dumb question at all.I've personally seen two back windows broken from riding a quad into the back of a pickup.Granted...it shouldn't happen...but the one time it does, it sucks. Trying to avoid the sucks part.I've always pushed my bikes/quads into the back of the truck and it has always worked.This project is just a "nice to have".
Reply:Just for reference, I had a '99 F350 sitting on 35" tires. My ramps were 6' long. I had to load a 250 Rekon by myself with a chain between the stake pockets and a come-a-long after a battery issue, no damage.Lincoln SA 200Esab Caddy 160Thermal Arc 201TSMiller Dialarc HFI don't like making plans for the day because then the word "premeditated" gets thrown around the courtroom....
Reply:Thanks for the compliments on the design. Whether or not a socket and an extension will work may depend on the vehicle. The Chevy has a rail inside the bed under the stake pocket to create a second layer and that rail could prohibit the use of an extension. Dont know about the current Ford beds.Basically you could drill and tap the clamping block and go without any additional nuts. But then you wouldnt be the only one who could easily remove the complete unit in two minutes.The invisible nuts in combination with thread locking compound are better since those who dont know could turn the bolt forever without success.Of course the special nut doesnt have to be machined from bar stock stainless. A long extension nut with a long bolt screwed and welded into one end would do as well. I just had the tools, time and material at hand.Same for the clamping block. You could use an angle grinder or even a file to make them. They dont have to be beauties and you dont need quantities.
Reply:Originally Posted by dubl_tI had to load a 250 Rekon by myself with a chain between the stake pockets and a come-a-long after a battery issue, no damage.
Reply:My truck has tie down mounts in the floor of the bed. IF I wanted to mount a winch, I'd use a plate and some J bolts. The good thing about the winch on the atv is that you can load it in any truck.The good thing about the winch in the truck is that you can load any atv.I always just ride mine in. Just time it right so you pull the clutch about half way up the ramp and coast into the bed. Tap the brake a little and your there.My name's not Jim....
Reply:Originally Posted by BoostinjdmMy truck has tie down mounts in the floor of the bed. IF I wanted to mount a winch, I'd use a plate and some J bolts.
Reply:Pussies- I drive my Rhino in to the back of my TruckEd Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Another thing to consider into an ATV winch mount is tire bumpers so the tires are contacting instead of the racks. On utility quads the rack/bumper is usually the part that sticks out the most and that makes it a pain to strap down. Not usually an issue on my Raptor because the tires stick out further, but with chevyman's design my bumper would hit because the tires would go under the mount.Millermatic 200Hobart Handler 120Victor O/A & Ramco BandsawLincoln 225 ACSnapOn AD HoodMiller XMT304/22AHypertherm Powermax 1650 G3Lincoln Idealarc DC600 w/Extreme 12 VSMiller Digital Elite "Joker"
Reply:chevyman, it looks like the "plate" on top of the rails is bolted on and is light gauge aluminum? Is this just to keep the weather off the winch or is there another purpose?Also, for anyone...is there any reason I can't mount the winch upside down?My thought is, to simplify my build, can't I just weld a flat plate on the bottom of the rails, drill the mounting holes, and bolt the winch upside down to that. Not planning on running a fairlead since it should be all straight pulls into the bed.Yep, it's just a cover to protect against the elements, made from .060 SS. I installed nylon washers as spacers between cover and frame to allow for ventilation between the two parts.I don't see any reason against mounting the winch upside down. Actually, I'm asking myself what has kept me from going that simple route. Maybe I just wanted to keep the fairlead, as it was included with my winch.
Reply:Originally Posted by chevyman_deYep, it's just a cover to protect against the elements, made from .060 SS. I installed nylon washers as spacers between cover and frame to allow for ventilation between the two parts.I don't see any reason against mounting the winch upside down. Actually, I'm asking myself what has kept me from going that simple route. Maybe I just wanted to keep the fairlead, as it was included with my winch.
Reply:Originally Posted by CUOFFROAD...but man are you right...they wanted something like $560.
Reply:Gettin there. Nothing fancy, pretty much going with Chevyman's design. Pics aren't the best. This thing is long and I've got limited space in the garage but you'll get the idea. Everything is tru and square with the world so so far I'm pretty happy with it.Right now I'm thinking turnbuckles between the bed tie down loops in the corners of the bed and welding a couple chain links onto the "winch mount". We'll see....still thinking about it. Nothing off the shelf is really out there for the stake pockets that I feel comfortable with.After I figure out how to tie it to the bed then it's back to the electrical. Attached Images
Reply:In the truck. Straps would be the turnbuckle idea.Even with the straps hardley sinched down me and my 225 lbs yanking on it can't get it to move at all. Attached Images
Reply:nice work did you give it a try yet with the rachet straps?
Reply:Ingenious idea, no reason it shouldn't work perfectly.It would also work well with a manual winch, and could scale up to much heavier winches.
Reply:Originally Posted by CUOFFROADGettin there. Nothing fancy, pretty much going with Chevyman's design.
Reply:Thats slicker than owl $hit!That thing will make a nice barrier between your ATV and your back glass also.
Reply:Originally Posted by chevyman_deDo you have some "plugs" on the underside of the angle iron matching the stake pockets? If not you should add them, 3/16" material is enough. They make a real difference for keeping the whole thing in place, especially when you pull at an angle.
Reply:Done. Turnbuckles on and all wired up. Decided to go with a deep cycle marine battery in the bed of the truck as opposed to the long run from the truck battery.Still have to load the quad this weekend but the winch spools in and out no problem. Attached Images
Reply:Nice clean installation... I like the concept... I'll have to remember your design if I ever need such a system.
Reply:I was thinking about a simular design to help lower my cruiser motorcycle from my Toyota tundra. Getting it into the truck isn't a proiblem, but taking it out can be quite harry. So could it work?????
Reply:Do you have a fifth wheel hole in the middle of your bed? If so, how about designing a base from that which runs up to the front of the bed (low profile using heavy channel iron). A base that you can nut down.I made a round bail spike base like that a few years ago and it worked great. Picture a "T" shaped base in the bottom of your bed. Easy to remove as well. OR...... Plug a wench base into the fifth wheel hole and pull it out once the ATV gets past the edge of the tailgate. That would be extremely portable and wouldn't be a permanent fixture taking up space in your bedhttp://www.youtube.com/user/c599209/videos
Reply:I made a metal plate that the winch slides and locks onto. I bolted the plate to my garage floor to drag in any non-running vehicles. You could make something similar and bolt it to the bed floor. Then you can take the winch off when not in use so it's not in the way and out of the weather.Sure, I can fix it... I got a welder!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by CUOFFROADDone. Turnbuckles on and all wired up. Decided to go with a deep cycle marine battery in the bed of the truck as opposed to the long run from the truck battery.Still have to load the quad this weekend but the winch spools in and out no problem.
Reply:I've been wanting to make an attachment on my bead or a head ache rack with a quick disconnect. Great post. Awesome work.We are on our way to being farmers! Our site is always under construction so check back often for updates. http://www.philosophyfarmstyle.com/
Reply:Some of the newer ATV weigh in closer to 1k.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkQualified & experienced at welding scrap metal |
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