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Well I had been holding out for about a month to buy a new Miller 211 or possibly the Lincoln 210 due to the fact the Local Matheson was having an open house (ONE DAY ONLY PRICING) and lincoln plus miller were going to have demo's. I showed up, started working my way through the vendors and hit up Lincoln first. I have done a ton of reading on the 210 MP and one thing that has concerned me from day one is the roller drive feed issue with excessive movement. Right off the bat I started talking to the rep and much to my dismay he was fully aware of it, actually finished my sentence for me. He has had to deal with machines coming back for that issue but according to him it is a very small portion. One of the reasons that I came was to see the machines in action and run through setup operation etc...but was soon disappointed that they had changed their mind and were not going to allow welding demo's:roll eyes:. I did insist after the rep told me that he felt very confident that the quality control on the roller feed issue has been worked out that he plug in the brand new in the box machine to the wall plug behind me and trigger the roller. His face turned pretty red and he was in the process of taking a video of just how much the drive mechanism oscillated up and down, about a full 1/4 of an inch. I am sure there are many machines out there where this issue is not currently causing wire feed issues and maybe never will; however there are those who have had issues right out of the gate and others who have had issues later on down the road. Thing is for me that I think it is an unacceptable level of play, and quality control on Lincolns part...period. That thing should be far more concentric then that. I was also not really that turned on by the push select dial as both he and I often moved the selection while pushing and could only assume with gloves etc it would not be much better. I did like the fact it had inductance control, the setup was easy to follow onscreen and the case build quality seemed above that of the millers but none of this would overcome the roller feed issue for me, sorry. I moved on to go check out the miller 211 and probably get one only to find out the Miller rep decided not to come and did not announce it till the morning of. Crap happens but I really wanted to run the machine and ask a lot of questions and was slightly hot that big blue was not represented there. I did drive over 45 minutes one way just to meet the fellar. Matheson kept insisting that I go talk to red and get the 210 MP instead and then when I brought up the roller issue, I was told it was a non issue and had been taken care of. I chuckled and told them to go look at the one running in their store and to get back to me on that one. Overall pretty disappointing but it was nice to see the various jigs, metal cutting equipment etc. Just thought I would give you all my input and feelings about the 210 MP, I know it is a really popular machine and I am probably in the minority on my feelings about it.
Reply:Well, stinks the Miller guy was a no show, but who knows why. You've been patient this long, be patient a bit longer and go find one to actually demo before you throw down your dollars.
Reply:My brother and I both have MP210 Lincoln machines and have had no issues. I was aware of that issue with the early machines but according to my source Lincoln handled it with no issues. 3 year warranty with the machine so I'm not worried at allSteveLincoln SA200 (1966 Redface)Lincoln IdealArc 250Steve1990 Miller Dialarc 2501993 Miller Maxstar 140 STR2015 Lincoln MP2101966 Lincoln SA200 Redface
Reply:So I also have the MP210 and it was purchased in the past month and it DOES have the drive roller wobble. I have yet to call Lincoln. But It has not affected anything yetSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:I know you've been waiting for the demo for a while and its about the only place close to you. sucks you were disappointed.
Reply:Sucks you were disappointed, but good for you to actually see first hand the problems the Lincoln.
Reply:Originally Posted by SparkieMy brother and I both have MP210 Lincoln machines and have had no issues. I was aware of that issue with the early machines but according to my source Lincoln handled it with no issues. 3 year warranty with the machine so I'm not worried at allSteveLincoln SA200 (1966 Redface)Lincoln IdealArc 250
Reply:A quarter inch! Wow, that is sorry. It has got to look like those clown bicycles with the oblong wheels.
Reply:Originally Posted by mikecwikA quarter inch! Wow, that is sorry. It has got to look like those clown bicycles with the oblong wheels.
Reply:There you goSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Just the one I was going to post, THE ONE I SAW WAS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE...and it was one the rep had brought with him new out of the box.
Reply:I can take a video of mine later tonight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:I understand your concern, but if it was mine I would have taken it apart to see what the actual prob was. Not saying by any means that you should accept it as good.
Reply:Originally Posted by SmartdaveI can take a video of mine later tonight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Ok here is mine at 475 ipm. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:What ya cry in' about?Ya got a good ol fashioned Hit and Miss motor drive Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Thanks for taking the time to post that...I feel the one I saw yesterday was for sure worse but that is a decent hop Smart Dave. Good to know it is still feeding ok for you. I really wish I would have taken the time to shoot a video on my phone but I was too busy trying to get around. Just does not sit right with me, maybe it is my OCD.
Reply:Everybody is falling to no QAQC. It is the new generation and a product of the cnc machines. If you are not required to why would anyone check their work? It is better to stare off into space during cycles.
Reply:That is just bad QC. Not what I would expect from Lincoln. The fact that is still not fixed and the machine had been out like a year is sad.Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:I took off the roller and ran the motor. Looks like the roller holder is not was is true. I will take off the whole assembly just down to the shaft and see if it also isn't true HTP Invertig 221Lincoln MP210Hypertherm Powermax 45Lincoln Weldpak100
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawThat is just bad QC. Not what I would expect from Lincoln. The fact that is still not fixed and the machine had been out like a year is sad.
Reply:Originally Posted by mikecwikI bet if you call them and complain you will get the "we never had that problem before." I can't tell you how many times I heard this over the years. I don't know if people are told to be stupid or that is just the way they are. I know which one it really is I was just giving my last sigh for humanity in saying I did not know.
Reply:The school where I used to teach had Syncrowaves for tig/stick and a bunch of Lincoln 250? and 180? wire machines. The quality of the small Lincoln machine wire drives right from the factory was some of the worst I have ever seen. I'm sure they make nice machines at some point in their line but their small 180? machines had horrible drive problems. The drive rolls were held on by socket head cap screws and they would unscrew themselves as you welded. Eventually the drive roll would work it's way off the shaft and stop feeding and burn back to the tip. Not a huge issue but a pain to take care of all the time. On a side note I purchased a new Chevy truck earlier this year. After filling up, the fuel sloshes around in the tank and sounds like you are getting rear ended down to about 3/4's of a tank. I can't imagine how it would make it through all of the testing and the test drivers didn't hear this noise. While it's currently just annoying the fuel sloshes around bad enough that I can see it breaking fuel pump/pickup parts in the future.
Reply:I still don't see the big hype with these machines unless everyone out there is doing all 3 processes with the machine. If it was me I would buy the Hobart 210mvpTorchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1What ya cry in' about?Ya got a good ol fashioned Hit and Miss motor driveThat is pretty sad they can't get a couple rollers to run true. Hell HF can get their $100 bead roller to run true even!These machines are tested, who looks at the rollers and watches them cam and says "yeah good nuff, send it on its way".Although the caming effect will keep the area more free of debris build up. If the wire is feed strait all the time debris can build up on the sides right up to the wire and eventually jam it. If you wiggle the wire around all the time no debris can build up on the sides. 12v battery, jumper cables, and a 6013.I only have a facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumGives you the "MIG like TIG" look.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTAlthough the caming effect will keep the area more free of debris build up. If the wire is feed strait all the time debris can build up on the sides right up to the wire and eventually jam it. If you wiggle the wire around all the time no debris can build up on the sides.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumGives you the "MIG like TIG" look.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTThat is pretty sad they can't get a couple rollers to run true. Hell HF can get their $100 bead roller to run true even!These machines are tested, who looks at the rollers and watches them cam and says "yeah good nuff, send it on its way".Although the caming effect will keep the area more free of debris build up. If the wire is feed strait all the time debris can build up on the sides right up to the wire and eventually jam it. If you wiggle the wire around all the time no debris can build up on the sides.
Reply:Originally Posted by burnsThe school where I used to teach had Syncrowaves for tig/stick and a bunch of Lincoln 250? and 180? wire machines. The quality of the small Lincoln machine wire drives right from the factory was some of the worst I have ever seen. I'm sure they make nice machines at some point in their line but their small 180? machines had horrible drive problems. The drive rolls were held on by socket head cap screws and they would unscrew themselves as you welded. Eventually the drive roll would work it's way off the shaft and stop feeding and burn back to the tip. Not a huge issue but a pain to take care of all the time. On a side note I purchased a new Chevy truck earlier this year. After filling up, the fuel sloshes around in the tank and sounds like you are getting rear ended down to about 3/4's of a tank. I can't imagine how it would make it through all of the testing and the test drivers didn't hear this noise. While it's currently just annoying the fuel sloshes around bad enough that I can see it breaking fuel pump/pickup parts in the future.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55There ya go. Patented "self-cleaning" wire feed feature. You may have just bailed Lincoln out on this one.Looks like something I machined.
Reply:Originally Posted by SmartdaveOk here is mine at 475 ipm. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:The grooves are fine. It wobbles with no wire.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawMaybe it's the hidden pulsed MIG feature.
Reply:Too bad. Matheson seems to have lost focus lately. High prices, late deliveries, and lack of stock has made me switch to another LWS. Sims was great until Matheson bought them out.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonToo bad. Matheson seems to have lost focus lately. High prices, late deliveries, and lack of stock has made me switch to another LWS. Sims was great until Matheson bought them out.
Reply:Originally Posted by SmartdaveThe grooves are fine. It wobbles with no wire.
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawThe only welding shop that wouldn't sell me helium or even give me gas pricing for all my tanks because I was an individual. That's with 7 LWS within a 2 mile radius. They will never see my business and I will be sure to tell everyone how much their customer service sucks. Airgas here is expensive but the sales guy there is super helpful
Reply:The neighbor shop just got one of those to replace a real old handler for small inside jobs. When he was setting it up I was thinking the feed rollers wheels themselves were cheezy... I'll have to go over and see if that one does this too.This is just not a serious attempt at a wire feeder, If I were peddling these I'd be embarrassed. Matt
Reply:My Swing-A-Way can opener has less wobble than that wire feeder."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonI guess Matheson is the new Airgas in light of Air Liquide buying out Airgas. I miss Sims.
Reply:It would be interesting to know what caused this apparent eccentricity in the drive mechanism. Did they have a CNC lathe with two chucks and a transfer for different ops? Was there some swarf stuck in the chuck jaws on a run of parts or something similar? Looks like they got a crank shaft instead of a straight shaft. If they had used a Swiss screw machine, it would have been straight and tight. "USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumIt would be interesting to know what caused this apparent eccentricity in the drive mechanism. Did they have a CNC lathe with two chucks and a transfer for different ops? Was there some swarf stuck in the chuck jaws on a run of parts or something similar? Looks like they got a crank shaft instead of a straight shaft. If they had used a Swiss screw machine, it would have been straight and tight.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1The Airgas over on my side of the hill is actually decent.
Reply:I know the guys at my local airgas are good tooSent from my SM-T715Y using Tapatalk
Reply:It was nice that someone representing Lincoln saw this thread, explained the issue and offered a solution.
Reply:Originally Posted by vwguy3It was nice that someone representing Lincoln saw this thread, explained the issue and offered a solution.
Reply:Originally Posted by SmartdaveSo I also have the MP210 and it was purchased in the past month and it DOES have the drive roller wobble. I have yet to call Lincoln. But It has not affected anything yetSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:For the fix are they changing the entire feed assembly? Or is there a different fix?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer |
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发表于 2021-8-31 22:22:25