TLC on a Lincoln Weld-an-power

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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to my thread.  Here I will be documenting the restoration of a Lincoln Weld-an-power I have.  I will also take pics.  If anybody here wants to see a picture of anything specific, feel free to ask.I purchased this machine from a buddy of mine for $125.  He thought he was going to start a hot-shot welding business with it, which did not come to fruit, obviously.  It's a weldanpower AC/DC with the CV tap, and a 16 HP Briggs and Stratton Engine.Code: 9113Serial #: A1089464The machine does work... somewhat.  The engine needs some TLC... it only wants to run for about a minute at a time before it cuts out.  In that minute of time however, I can strike an arc, and run a bead of 7018 like nobody's business.  Really clean strong arc, just as good as 3 phase power.Even tho I'm positive a carburettor cleaning and adjustment will fix the engine issue, I will probably be taking the engine apart cuz I like taking engines apart to replace gaskets, oil seals, lap the valves, etc.  When it comes to new machines (new to me) I tend to be anal-retentive.While I have a good amount of engine expereince, I do not, however, have any expereince working on the welding/generator portion of a machine.  I'm quite familiar with how electricity and electronics work, just never worked on a generator.So my questions are this:1. Besides replacing the brushes and cleaning the armature contacts, what should I look out for/inspect/service on the welding side of the machine?2. How hard is it to find parts for outdated Lincoln Equipment?  Will Lincoln carry the basic stuff like brushes and what not?I'm currently in the research phase of the project.  It won't progress too fast, as I'm also in the middle of restoring a 1945 South Bend lathe.  However, I would like to get this welder up and running before spring time.(The stuff sitting on top of the machine, if you are curious, are parts to a lathe chuck.  The machine was just a convenient spot. )Last edited by moya034; 02-07-2010 at 09:50 PM.Lincoln Idealarc 250Lincoln Weldanpower CC/CV engine driveLincoln LN-25 wire feederMiller Syncrowave 180 SDVarious oxy-fuel setups featuring Victor, Harris, and Prest-o-lite products
Reply:Currently have 3 of these, 2 Briggs, and 1 onan, nice little machines 1 I have owned since new in 1982. Keep us posted with pictures. ."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
Reply:I have an old Weldanpower 220 with a Wisconsin 2 cylinder engine.  From what I can tell it is a mid 50's unit.  I have not had ANY problems getting parts for it OR the engine.If you don't use your head you may as well have been born with two backends.That ain't exactly how Papa used to say it.*Linc'n WeldanPower 200 with a Wis. 2 cyl. w/handcrank*Linc'n AC225 *Linc'n ProMig 180*tiny porta torch...
Reply:moya034 said"I purchased this machine from a buddy of mine for $125"Dont you feel bad stealing from your friends?Keep us postedFelonCaution lurker lives here" hmmm That is serious,pass the ganja and pick up a  24 of MGD"
Reply:How much do these machines typically go for, if $125 was theft?Lincoln Idealarc 250Lincoln Weldanpower CC/CV engine driveLincoln LN-25 wire feederMiller Syncrowave 180 SDVarious oxy-fuel setups featuring Victor, Harris, and Prest-o-lite products
Reply:I paid $400 for mine but was told by a welding instructor at the local jr. college that it was worth 700-850 if it was in decent condition.  Other than a little painting, mine is in excellent condition.  I'm going to have the cover sandblasted and painted and get new faceplates for the welder AND the engine.  Should be worth  a lot more than what I paid for it that is for sure.If you don't use your head you may as well have been born with two backends.That ain't exactly how Papa used to say it.*Linc'n WeldanPower 200 with a Wis. 2 cyl. w/handcrank*Linc'n AC225 *Linc'n ProMig 180*tiny porta torch...
Reply:I just got my WeldanPower 225 AC/DC+/Dc-  and cv  February 2010 for less than $600 and a bit of a drive. Got it from the original owner and except for a dent or two it works fine so far.  I'm mounting it on a little welding trailer I got earlier.  See... I got the trailer and then needed sumthin' to go on it, hmmm. these things have a way of  jumping out at you.I would take some advice on improving the trailer set up. Cable storage etc... Reels are spendy aren't they? I started a little thread recently for advice. I'm going to probably just build some kind of wind up rack for the leads.  It will be stored away in the barn mostly and have a small pair of oxy/acy bottles at the rear. pic enclosed, Attached Images
Reply:What would be a good wire feeder (blue or red) to go with this machine?Lincoln Idealarc 250Lincoln Weldanpower CC/CV engine driveLincoln LN-25 wire feederMiller Syncrowave 180 SDVarious oxy-fuel setups featuring Victor, Harris, and Prest-o-lite products
Reply:Wire feed capabilities with these are very limited,  >068 /flux cored  211MP is Lincoln reccomendation. I also have had luck with NS 3M  for flat fill work. Haven't tried it but I was told they will do solid wire with gas pretty well though."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
Reply:Keep us posted, love reading about the restoring of old welders. GOOD LUCK!BSSServices1997 F250 4X4 Powerstroke w/ Bobcat 225NT & tools1992 F450 SuperDuty 7.3IDI w/ Bobcat 225NT & more tools!
Reply:I got the machine to run continuously for 15 minutes. (It then ran out of gas.)  Previously, it was only able to run for about 30-60 seconds at a time, at which point it cut out, and was difficult (but possible) to start again.The list of problems:Crap in the fuel tank (more about this later)Crap in the fuel line fitting on the tankPCV hose disconnectedInsides of the carb smelled horribleMain jet was half cloggedJet needle was caked with white stuff (but cleaned up great)The float and needle were installed incorrectlyNow you are probably asking yourself a question right now.  That would be "How for all that is good, could this engine have even started in the first place?"I will tell you the answer to that question.Because it is a 16hp BRIGGS & STRATTON engine.  That's why.On to the pics:Innards:Old industrial circuit board, one IC, some diodes, and a few passives.Here is the gas tank.  The contents of the gas tank are in the red circle.  Yes, there were actually some 10/32 nuts inside of the tank.  There was also some loose rust and corrosion inside that didn't shake out, which the vacuum took care of.Good thing it has a fuel filter!I did not take any pics of the innards of the carburettor. What is not entirely obvious from looking on the outside, is that it is such a simplistic design, it's a dream to work on.In the blue circle you can see the governor mechanism.  It is controlled by a solenoid, which in turn is operated by the electronics of the welder/generator circuits.That other control cable hanging under the governor is for the choke.It has an electric start, but if that don't work you can use a pull cord.  Screw them fancy rewind starters that are a pain to maintain.I also peaked under the cylinder head and was quite surprised to find that the valves and seats don't have any carbon on them! I can actually see bare metal on both the valve and the seat, and that includes the exhaust.  It still needs a new battery, air cleaner, an oil change, carb fine tuning, new fuel filter, muffler, and a few other attention to details.  Also, cleaning all the dirt out of the electricity side, and doing some inspection there.But I'm happy with the results a cursory fuel system cleaning provided.  I did run some beads on a piece of scrap, and also plugged a 7 amp angle grinder into the AC outlet.Last edited by moya034; 04-13-2010 at 07:48 AM.Lincoln Idealarc 250Lincoln Weldanpower CC/CV engine driveLincoln LN-25 wire feederMiller Syncrowave 180 SDVarious oxy-fuel setups featuring Victor, Harris, and Prest-o-lite products
Reply:Nice project, keep it up with the pics. BretLincoln Power MIG 215Lincoln WeldPak 3200HDLincon ProCut 25Lincoln WeldanPower 225 AC/DCIf all else fails... buy more tools
Reply:Some questions:What is the proper procedure for adjusting these carburetors and idle/top speeds?  I'm pretty sure both my governor and carb jet need to be adjusted, but this is the first time I work on a gas engine attached to a welder/generator.Lincoln Idealarc 250Lincoln Weldanpower CC/CV engine driveLincoln LN-25 wire feederMiller Syncrowave 180 SDVarious oxy-fuel setups featuring Victor, Harris, and Prest-o-lite products
Reply:Look here: http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=40500.  Posts #8 & 9.Plus the unit manual http://www.mylincolnelectric.com/Cat...t.aspx?p=32082 covers carb/speed adjustment procedures as well.Last edited by duaneb55; 04-14-2010 at 08:39 AM.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55;383851Plus the unit manual [urlhttp://www.mylincolnelectric.com/Catalog/operatorsmanualdatasheet.aspx?p=32082[/url] covers carb/speed adjustment procedures as well.
Reply:I'm sorry.  To be more specific the manual covers the engine/idler speed adjustment not the carb jet adjustments as Mike covered in the thread I posted the link to.  Didn't mean to steer you wrong.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55 Didn't mean to steer you wrong.
Reply:I adjusted the carburetor on the welding machine, and got some fresh gasoline.  It's running sweet now.I whipped out the Arcair K2000 and gave it a whirl with the machine.  I'm pleased to report that she works GREAT with 1/8" DC carbons.  This, of course, means I can now do air-carbon arc cutting and gouging in my shop, because single phase power won't normally handle it.  The machine does not have enough juice for a 1/4" carbon.  A 3/16" might work, but I don't have any to test out.  For most of the work I do here, 1/8" is the perfect size anyway.  3/16" would be useful on occasion, if the machine can muster it.I got the torches, and the welding machine, now I just need an engine driven air-compressor, and a trailer to put it all on.Lincoln Idealarc 250Lincoln Weldanpower CC/CV engine driveLincoln LN-25 wire feederMiller Syncrowave 180 SDVarious oxy-fuel setups featuring Victor, Harris, and Prest-o-lite products
Reply:That's great news moya034.  Gotta love it when things come together the way you want/need them to.Thanks for the update.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Thanks for posting the info and especially the pics, which can be useful to others who may score a similar welder.
Reply:Can you post a picture of you CV connection?  I am looking into getting a welder/generator and found a 9113 B&S with propane for $600 and would like to find an LN-7.Does any one now if ANY CV can be wired into the 9113 or just LN-7
Reply:Any engine driven welder that the weld terminals can be turned on with a switch on the panel. With a CV tap.  Can use any voltage sensing wire feeder, LN 25 and ect.To use an LN7 or any other bench wire feeder. The welder must produce the correct power supply voltage at weld engine speed. The LN 7 uses 115 volts. Some other feeders use 24 volts and some use 42 volts All of these need 60hz power.When using a bench style feeder, you will need to lock the idle in high speed. Some times the current draw of the feeder will do it for you. A voltage sensing feeder will operate on 15 to 100 vdc, so they will let the engine idle down. Just tap the wire and cause the engine to speed up, wait for it to stabilize then start welding.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmallThanks for posting the info and especially the pics, which can be useful to others who may score a similar welder.
Reply:Originally Posted by kolotCurrently have 3 of these, 2 Briggs, and 1 onan, nice little machines 1 I have owned since new in 1982. Keep us posted with pictures. .
Reply:Originally Posted by moya034I got the machine to run continuously for 15 minutes. (It then ran out of gas.)  Previously, it was only able to run for about 30-60 seconds at a time, at which point it cut out, and was difficult (but possible) to start again.The list of problems:Crap in the fuel tank (more about this later)Crap in the fuel line fitting on the tankPCV hose disconnectedInsides of the carb smelled horribleMain jet was half cloggedJet needle was caked with white stuff (but cleaned up great)The float and needle were installed incorrectlyNow you are probably asking yourself a question right now.  That would be "How for all that is good, could this engine have even started in the first place?"I will tell you the answer to that question.Because it is a 16hp BRIGGS & STRATTON engine.  That's why.On to the pics:Innards:Old industrial circuit board, one IC, some diodes, and a few passives.Here is the gas tank.  The contents of the gas tank are in the red circle.  Yes, there were actually some 10/32 nuts inside of the tank.  There was also some loose rust and corrosion inside that didn't shake out, which the vacuum took care of.Good thing it has a fuel filter!I did not take any pics of the innards of the carburettor. What is not entirely obvious from looking on the outside, is that it is such a simplistic design, it's a dream to work on.In the blue circle you can see the governor mechanism.  It is controlled by a solenoid, which in turn is operated by the electronics of the welder/generator circuits.That other control cable hanging under the governor is for the choke.It has an electric start, but if that don't work you can use a pull cord.  Screw them fancy rewind starters that are a pain to maintain.I also peaked under the cylinder head and was quite surprised to find that the valves and seats don't have any carbon on them! I can actually see bare metal on both the valve and the seat, and that includes the exhaust.  It still needs a new battery, air cleaner, an oil change, carb fine tuning, new fuel filter, muffler, and a few other attention to details.  Also, cleaning all the dirt out of the electricity side, and doing some inspection there.But I'm happy with the results a cursory fuel system cleaning provided.  I did run some beads on a piece of scrap, and also plugged a 7 amp angle grinder into the AC outlet.Originally Posted by kubotakidI gotta tell ya about an experince I had cleaning out the gas tank on an old farmall , .. I looked in the tank and it had some real nasty stuf in it and I decided the vacume cleaner was the answer,..  SOOO,  I stuck the hose in and started suckin it out,..  A few seconds later There was a  , HELL  OF A  BOOM !!!   and parts were flying in the air,..  Well i thought about it a minite,  and decided my craftsman vac, wasnt, and industerial explosin proof model,..and cas fumes and open motors dont mix,.. ::blush2  :