Can I Epoxy This?

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About time for the yearly tie rod fix.  Did this day before yesterday.  Heavy rain, lottsa mud, lottsa deep cow crap and hay, AND SOME BODACIOUS RUTS.  Wheel gets caught in rut while tractor trying to go straight, cocks sideways in the mud, and another bent tie rod which fails within a few minutes from fatigue as it keeps bending.  Run it till the hay is out (if you're lucky), and abandon in 1 foot of soupy manure till you get around to needing the tractor again.Gotta get to it "Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Suggestion, How about after you get it straight and welded together, grind 2 pieces  1 1/2"x 3/16" flat to fit snug to small and large diameters and weld them to each side in the plane it wants to bend. Might just make it want to bend the other way, I don't know.                                      MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Yep, epoxy it, and then a few layers of duct tape for added reinforcement so it don't happen again. Should be better than new.
Reply:you're wasting your time with Epoxy and duct tape. Just straighten 'er out and slip a section of rubber hose over it at attach snug with bailing wire. that way it can bend when it wants to and won't break.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Really?
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammAbout time for the yearly tie rod fix.
Reply:Halfazz straightening, then clamp in my round stock vise thingyBurn in one side on surface, enough to hold it together while grinding a vDo other side sameNow go put out a few bales.Fast, dirty, and fast.You can see other fatigue cracks, but it'll get me thru the day.  Got to get after it."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:consider replacing the entire center section next time.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerconsider replacing the entire center section next time.
Reply:Coat it with some bed liner, it'll never break after that!12v battery, jumper cables, and a 6013.I only have a facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply:Well it looks like you got it. I could of sent you some of that 5 tube epoxy mix I got.Oh that poor rusty vise.........................
Reply:If you reinforce it...what's the next thing in line to break?
Reply:Jb weld with metal shavings
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Reply:Samm, Nice fix as always. Shouldn't any red blooded farm repair have some random chunk of angle, rebar, or fence post cobbled on to truly make it stronger than original. I don't even know why you wasted time straightening, grinding and gouging when your not even going to paint it. If you ever plan to make money farming you need to stop fooling around with that fancy grinding and weld it up. Grease, paint, or dirt, no problem... the rod will burn through it.  Last edited by forhire; 04-02-2015 at 11:20 PM.
Reply:Yeah totally should have splinted that with some rebar. Ranger 250 GXTSmith Gas Axe
Reply:The joy of farm repairs.  Had a buddy who asked me to come out and fix something on his farm. Was going to take me an hour to get there so he made it work with duct tape and bailing wire and told me to come out after planting season to fix it. Ran it cobbled together for the season while he couldn't afford the downtime for a real fix.  I should hopefully head out in Oct to fix it for real.  Good job Sam .  Needs to get done is needs to get done and you got it done.--Wintermute"No man's knowledge here can go beyond his experience." - John Lockewww.improvised-engineering.comManufacturer Agnostic:Blood----------Sweat---------Tears----|------------------|----------------|----Lincoln Red, Miller Blue, Esab Yellow
Reply:So, I slap it back on the tractor.  With an audience  Critters were curious and came and stood in a semi circle to watch the proceedings.Fire it up, turn the wheel to get the rod end to line up, and in she goes.  WE'RE IN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Make the first trip up to where the hay is (about 1/3 mile), and bring back two bales.  (my road to the field is bad, and I can't run up there with a trailer).  All's well in the world.  So I turn around to get another two bales, get to the field, about half way across it, AND WHAMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE OTHER TIE ROD FALLS OUTThe nut had stripped, and fallen off.  It's been pretty loose for a while I guess.  (Actually I've know it's loose for quite a while)So I try to back the tractor back to the house.  Sometimes you can go backwards when one wheel is flopping.  But no!!!!!!!!!!!!  Stupid thing won't steer (ground is still a bit soft, and the flopping tire digs in while the good tire can't get a good grip), it goes where it wants.So now I'm desperate.  I have to at least get it under cover where it's hidden from people going down the highway.  If some people see broken down stuff in the field, they vandalize it.I turn around, go about 20 feet, and the wheel that's loose does a 180.  Flops around sideways, causes the drag link to wedge itself on top of the axle, and permanently faces at a 90 degree angle to travel direction.  I'm pushing the wheel sideways trying to get it off the field.At this point, I'm beyond pissed off.........I'm getting sorta philosophical..........AT LEAST I GOT TWO BALES UP TO THE COWS  They won't starve.  Still feeding hay because the grass hasn't really fired up yet.  And if the dog hasn't been adopted out, we're going to see a pup on Saturday.  Got my health.  Things could be worse.So, there it sits.  About 1/4 mile from the house.  On a crap road that I can't get the pickup down, which makes it highly likely I'll be doing a lot of walking, or have to use the other tractor to get tools and crap down there.The fix will be a hoot.  These tie rods run about $250 complete.  NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I remember anticipating this problem about 2 years ago (  so why didn't he fix it 2yrs ago), and I have a couple of tie rod ends somewhere in the shop that I bought at the time.  The plan was/is to cut off the bad end, and weld on a new aftermarket truck/car tie rod end that matches the taper in the bellcrank.  Probably some sorta Morse taper I'd imagine.  One of the two tie rod ends ought to fit, or will fit with some buildup, or grind down.This will wait till sometime this weekend.  Winds howling, my wimpy butt is cold out there in the wind, and I'm gonna eat waffles and sausage while contemplating the road my life has taken"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Re-bar and hose clamps and Prozac.
Reply:lol....feel your pain. I have a blade on a 4020 and broke a spindle once. Limped back to the yard by dragging the blade down backwards in reverse. Lighter tractor, but we actually fixed  an old 720 with a broken tie rod back in the 70's by welding it back together and (no, we didn't use rebar!) welding a piece of heavy angle iron over it. It's still working. Snapping off the ball joints is a different story though. Last fall we broke the casting on a 4440 that holds the wheels on and serves as the outer casting for the steering motor. That one was a $6k fix before I was done, and new parts were no longer available from Deere.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:samm...Methinks this one is a bit much for epoxy....
Reply:At least your weld held. Do you have any logs large enough diameter the you can put under the axle and skid it home?
Reply:Samm ... fab you up something similar and mount it to the center of the hay spike right where it fastens to the FEL ... then you limp  it home anytime!Located In SE OklahomaLincoln Mig 135Hobart Ironman 230 Mig5x10 CNC Table with DTHC & FTHypertherm PM65 on the tableMiller Bobcatwww.caneyagequipment.com
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XSam,Sniffing too much hair dye lately?
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammeryou're wasting your time with Epoxy and duct tape. Just straighten 'er out and slip a section of rubber hose over it at attach snug with bailing wire. that way it can bend when it wants to and won't break.Kinda reminds me of the old nursery rhyme song "There's a hole in my bucket dear Liza". Last edited by duaneb55; 04-03-2015 at 12:53 PM.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by blueriverBest fix so far ... Flexrod!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by whtbaronNo, no no.... when a farmer splints something with wood we use baling wire. When you slip the rubber hose over it we secure both ends with a hose clamp. Must have cut a couple hundred of those things off the steel penning when I shut down the hog barn...
Reply:Crowbar it back into place. Beat the tie rod back into the taper and snap a good vice grip onto it and drive it home???---Meltedmetal
Reply:Epoxy or JB Weld mixed with Viagra. That ought to keep it from bending again!GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelEpoxy or JB Weld mixed with Viagra. That ought to keep it from bending again!
Reply:Your salvage tie rods tapers should work.  Standard tie rod taper for American stuff is 1 1/2" per foot.  Its just a question of the diameter and length.
Reply:Originally Posted by wintermuteActually, that should only keep it from bending for less than 4 hours... more than that and it'll need to go to the doctor :P
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfusesamm...Methinks this one is a bit much for epoxy....
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverlol or you could buy a new one and not have it be a yearly occurrence
Reply:Rebar splint. I see a lot of rebar splints in the ag world .."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:You thought I'd gone away, never to bother you againThe tie rod on the other side from the one I cobbled together the other day also failed.  Didn't bend, just fell outThe threads were worn, the nut loose, and the cotter pin finally decided to leave for a warmer climate  Cut it off (it's pressed into the end of the tubing).  Measure for the new one, and weld it on  It's not an exact fit, and sorta sloppy.  Just fill in the gaps with..........................filler metalGood to go in about half an hour.Let's go visit the patient"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Here she is.  The old girl looks a bit under the weather.The wheel lodged sideways when going forward (after the tie rod said goodbye), and I had to run it off the field pushing dirt the whole wayAnyways.......the spindle had revolved so violently that it over rode the stop, and the drag link wedged itself on the other side, or I guess you could say the stop wedged it.Luckily, it was a beat job.  No heating.  Just a matter of beating it back across the top of the stop.  I forgot to bring lubricant, so I had to dip oil out of the crankcase A DIPSTICK BLOB AT A TIMEFacing forward again, and ready for the wheelNow it decides to rain"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Not a big rain YET, just enough to let you know that you're about to get very wet.So on goes the wheel, AFTER ABOUT 15 MINUTES  Stupid ag wheels have lug bolts, not studs with lug nuts.  Lining up the wheel is a positive absolute PITA.  Never been good at it, and I'm too old to get any better.So I got her back up on all foursHeaded back up to the yard with a coupla bales just as the clouds let loose.All in all, not too bad of a day, all things considered.The tie rod taper is still bad, or actually THE BELLCRANK TAPER is worn.  Got her up in the "shop" now to pad the tapered end of the tie rod, and grind it to fit the worn bellcrank."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Is that an Allis?Located In SE OklahomaLincoln Mig 135Hobart Ironman 230 Mig5x10 CNC Table with DTHC & FTHypertherm PM65 on the tableMiller Bobcatwww.caneyagequipment.com
Reply:1968 (if I remember, according to the serial number) Allis 190XT.  Been good to me over the years."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I like the picture of the welding table with your eye glasses next to the peice your welding. It reminded me of my Dad. He never could figure out why he couldn't see out of them. I sure enjoy your post and great fix.
Reply:It looks like it had a sleeve welded over it in the past. IMO the sleeve needs to go over the whole tie rod. The problem will then be the next weekest link.