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welders Supply has the Hypertherms priced close enough to the millers and the cutmasters that Hypertherm is affordable. my local dealers are several hundred higher. My question is the vast majority of the cutting I do will be less than 3/8 and this will be in a hobby/small farmshop setting. Maybe a couple of projects a year and typical equipment repairs. Once in a while I may have to tackle 1/2 inch, but mostly pipe and smaller plate. I understand that the 45 will rip through 1/2 but will the 30 do it, just slower? I have always used a torch, but bought an Eastwood 220 unit (I fell for the warranty) and it worked for 20 minutes and died. I'm now at a week since they received the unit and still no refund. The spray rig I needed to have built by now has 20 minutes of cutting on it....lesson learned, but fell in love with the plasma cutter over torch cutting.anyway, will occasional cutting of thicker material harm the 30, or is it just a matter of speed? The $600 difference will go along way on the miller 211, but I don't want to by less of a tool than I may need and shorten its life.Thanks in advance for your response. Your comments, and availability, on this site, and the price online, are the only reason I'm buying Hypertherm.Jay
Reply:The 30 isn't rated for 1/2"Compare the specs and make your decision. http://www.hypertherm.com/en/Product...tting/Systems/Leo
Reply:You really should go big the first time. Look on YouTube for ChuckE2009's review of his PM45. I've cut 1' with mine, no problem. The 30 will cut 1/2", it's just slower and you'll be pushing the machine. HT underrated their machines as opposed to their competitors. Another option for you would be to buy he PM30 and setup a oxypropane rig for yourself. Use the plasma for the fine cuts and the OP for heating and cutting the big stuff or out in the field where's there's no electric.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
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Reply:I had a similar decision a year ago and went with the PM45. No regrets. HT is conservative in their ratings. As you push the limits and a bit beyond, yes, it gets slower and the cut is not as smooth, but it will cut more than it's rated for.
Reply:The 30 is rated for severance cutting on 1/2", that means we consider the cut speed far too slow for any type of productive use....but is great for zipping off a 1/2" (or thicker) bolt or for a short length cut. Cutting thik material will not hurt the 30...or any Hypertherm plasma for that matter.I have both a 30 and a 45 that I currently use for hand cutting. The 30 is used for under 1/4" or whenever I need to field cut where there is no 240 volt power. The 45 has a totally different feel, kind of like getting out of a 4 cylinder pickup truck and into a 3/4 ton diesel. Both will get you where you want to go....but if you have more work to do productively, the 3/4 ton will get you there .Jim Colt Originally Posted by Jayfarmlawwelders Supply has the Hypertherms priced close enough to the millers and the cutmasters that Hypertherm is affordable. my local dealers are several hundred higher. My question is the vast majority of the cutting I do will be less than 3/8 and this will be in a hobby/small farmshop setting. Maybe a couple of projects a year and typical equipment repairs. Once in a while I may have to tackle 1/2 inch, but mostly pipe and smaller plate. I understand that the 45 will rip through 1/2 but will the 30 do it, just slower? I have always used a torch, but bought an Eastwood 220 unit (I fell for the warranty) and it worked for 20 minutes and died. I'm now at a week since they received the unit and still no refund. The spray rig I needed to have built by now has 20 minutes of cutting on it....lesson learned, but fell in love with the plasma cutter over torch cutting.anyway, will occasional cutting of thicker material harm the 30, or is it just a matter of speed? The $600 difference will go along way on the miller 211, but I don't want to by less of a tool than I may need and shorten its life.Thanks in advance for your response. Your comments, and availability, on this site, and the price online, are the only reason I'm buying Hypertherm.Jay
Reply:Hypertherm Pm30 on the way. After 2 weeks of comparing, welder supply has the best prices. Cyber weld was not far off. Thermal dynamics are cheaper, but the 1/4 inch unit apparently is imported. After my Eastwood experience, I'll pass on imported $1000 tools. Thanks for the responses.Jay
Reply:Originally Posted by JayfarmlawHypertherm Pm30 on the way. After 2 weeks of comparing, welder supply has the best prices. Cyber weld was not far off. Thermal dynamics are cheaper, but the 1/4 inch unit apparently is imported. After my Eastwood experience, I'll pass on imported $1000 tools. Thanks for the responses.Jay
Reply:I have a 30 you will love it, best thing ever invented, but I use my torch for anything over 1/4". If I would have had this before my Band saw I am not sure I would have bought a band saw just grab the plas and a square and make all of your cuts on sq tube angle and flat plate in seconds
Reply:I have the 30 as well. It's a beast of a little machine! You will be happy with it!
Reply:Originally Posted by roadkillbobbdid you price them up at harris welding supply?
Reply:I found the 45 for around the same price as the Miller 625 the only huge problem for me is theres no 110v compatibility. Most users won't care but I move my stuff around to my friends places too much that I need the diversity of 110/220Jim, if I had one suggestion it'd be to integrate some sort of 110/220 ability into the HT product lines at the 45+ level.Miller Diversion 180Hobart Handler 140 (Soon to be replaced with Miller 211?)Miller Spectrum 625 Extreme
Reply:Thanks Jon,Our team is aware of that desire! While I am not at liberty to talk about what is being developed in the Hypertherm engineering labs.....rest assured that the next products will address this as well as other needs. Other than the 120 volt capability comparison (which reduces output cut capability as compared to 240 operation), the Powermax45 compares very favorably against the 625. Higher load voltage /kW output (thicker /faster), a more reliable torch (and it is made in USA), machine torch and full machine torch cutting specs, cnc machine interface is standard, etc......are all advantages of the 45. The 45 is by far the largest seller in the 40 amp air plasma system market.Best regards, Jim Colt Originally Posted by Jon KI found the 45 for around the same price as the Miller 625 the only huge problem for me is theres no 110v compatibility. Most users won't care but I move my stuff around to my friends places too much that I need the diversity of 110/220Jim, if I had one suggestion it'd be to integrate some sort of 110/220 ability into the HT product lines at the 45+ level.
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255I've cut 1' with mine, no problem. The 30 will cut 1/2", it's just slower and you'll be pushing the machine. HT underrated their machines as opposed to their competitors.
Reply:BrandX,The Cutmaster 42 is a 40 amp unit at 240 volt....not necessarily a fair comparison with the Powermax30, which is 30 amps. You must compare apples to apples.....which admitedly is hard to do in the welding/cutting business! It would be best if all plasma cutters were rated by killowatt output at their rated duty cycle....that is where you would see the creme rise to the top, and the manufacturers that play games with numbers would sink...If you do compare the 42 vs the 30 at the 120 volt input....the 30 produces more power out with less power in.....that shows the efficiency of a good power supply design. Oh....did I mention it is built in the USA? (Had to add that!)The 42 (imported) fits in between the Hypertherm Powermax30 and the Powermax45 from a killowatt output compaison......now, lets run the 42 side by side with the 45!Best regards, Jim Originally Posted by Brand XHave info to support that? Not what I have found comparing units.. I will say the new Powermax line of cutters are excellent in consumable life, but cut ratings are generally pretty good on Thermal/Esab/Hypertherm machines. I was using a Cutmaster 42 and a Hypertherm 30 yesterday, the Cutmaster sucked on consumable life, but it it kicked the Hypertherm's *** on 3/4 inch steel. (240 volt input) Way faster/ cleaner cut. too. 120 volt favored the hypertherm about as much as the 240 volt operation favored the Cutmaster 42. The 20 amp consumables in the cutmaster worked very well for thin stainless. Very clean cut..(for what it was.) You need to try machines side by side, (for yourself) and forget the internet hype..I generally liked the Thermal machine better, but the torch/etc.. on the the Hypertherm, makes it a better overall unit. (IMO) Probably go Hypertherm because of how they work together.
Reply:We had a 30 at a structural company I worked for, it would cut stainless roof decking all day on 110 off an extension cord, and when you ran it on 220 it was just a beast. I would buy a 30 in a second if I ever feel the need to buy a plasma cutter.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcoltBrandX,The Cutmaster 42 is a 40 amp unit at 240 volt....not necessarily a fair comparison with the Powermax30, which is 30 amps. You must compare apples to apples.....which admitedly is hard to do in the welding/cutting business! It would be best if all plasma cutters were rated by killowatt output at their rated duty cycle....that is where you would see the creme rise to the top, and the manufacturers that play games with numbers would sink...If you do compare the 42 vs the 30 at the 120 volt input....the 30 produces more power out with less power in.....that shows the efficiency of a good power supply design. Oh....did I mention it is built in the USA? (Had to add that!)The 42 (imported) fits in between the Hypertherm Powermax30 and the Powermax45 from a killowatt output compaison......now, lets run the 42 side by side with the 45! We both know a cutmaster 52 is a better comparison between the 240 volt input only machines.. Best regards, Jim
Reply:I compare based on rated cut capacity, in other words...if the manufacturer says it is designed to production cut 1/2", then I compare with others that say that. If you need a dual voltage machine...then that's what you need, Miller has a nice one, the low cost imports run on dual voltage, and the Powermax30 does as well. Miller will win that battle if you are looking at the thickest cut on a dual voltage machine!In reality....you would compare everything and come up with some type of a rating system for each capability. Severance thickness, Production thickness at a minimum speed, consumable life, reliability, price, weight, duty cycle (at a given ambient temperature) and material thickness, features such as dual input voltage, expanded metal cutting, maybe even color! Problem is....every user has different criteria when buying. Each manufacturer tries to build one that fits the model that they want to fit. Price. Performance.Reliability. Weight. Operating cost (consumable life.). No one will ever get it 100% perfect. The company that sells the most wins. I know who that is currently!Jim Originally Posted by Brand XWeight/ size/cost, and input power is where I like to compare competing machines. Does the 45 cut on 120 volt power? Should we compare the 45 to a Esab 700? Seems like a closer match up. You have compared the 30 and cutmaster 42 many times, and said the cutmaster is only a little bit better on 240 volt power. I found out there is quite a difference between the two when cutting on the thicker material. Somebody looking for a 120/240 volt machine in your lineup or Thermal's. Which machines compare to each other the closest?
Reply:I'm not sure T-D has a machine in the 27 to 30 amp range anymore to compete with the Powermax 30. They used to be built at their plant in West lebanon, NH.....they laid off most of their employees there and started farming work to Mexico and Japan. There is some manufacturing in Texas, but I honestly have not kept up on the product line. That is why I compare the Powermax30 to the Cutmaster42. We rarely are up against Esab plasma's in competitive situations." You have compared the 30 and cutmaster 42 many times, and said the cutmaster is only a little bit better on 240 volt power. I found out there is quite a difference between the two when cutting on the thicker material. "
Reply:Not sure how that one slipped under the radar. Looked at the 375 model. (Cut with the older Hypertherm torch model, but not the new one..) Deal with a rebate..http://store.cyberweld.com/misp625xplcu.htmlEsab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:I think the torch is made by Thermacut, probably imported like their consumables..Jim
Reply:Originally Posted by jimcoltI think the torch is made by Thermacut, probably imported like their consumables..Jim
Reply:I wouldn't necessarily buy a unit based on the max severance thickness....but it does trell something about the machines voltage/amperage characteristics..Jim Originally Posted by Brand XReally Max thickness is not all that important to me on any of these machine..That is why I think the PM-30 is probably the best overall unit. After using the new Esab I have on my table. I sure would not be real scared of the 400 model either.Although more money on-line then a PM-30 (Still unknown unit to me)
Reply:If I would not not sold/traded off my 38XL with a upgraded SL-60 one torch, i would not be bringing any of this up. Had zero issues cutting at 29 amps output on a 120 volt-20 amp line. Put the quick disconnect setup on it, and also came with a torch wrap..Pretty good older USA made machine. I am not new to some of this stuff.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Pm 30 arrived today...tomorrow we cut and I will try not to make light saber sounds. Rigging up filter and dryer to hook to the unit after 50 foot of hose. Thanks Mr. Colt and all the rest for the replys. Pretty good day, picked up a 13 hp honda power washer for $300 too, ( mine was stolen at thanksgiving) passed on a power mig 255... For a bit. Good craigslist day.I'm all for giving credit where it is due, the girls at welders supply are great. Ordered late Tuesday, here on Friday at lunch, and they laugh at my stupid jokes.Jay |
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