New Eastwood TIG200 AC DC welder

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I just saw on their site a 110v / 220v welder for $900 SHIPPED! I was originally looking at the Everlast Micro 185 also $899 ($849 + $50 for foot pedal) because they originally announced it's be able to do 110v. Unfortunately they've delayed their 110v units for an undetermined length of time.  The dimensions of the TIG200 seem to be about the size of the Miller Diversion. The Dynasty would be a dream unit but at 4-5x the price and not knowing if I'll ever use those bells and whistles, I'll pass.Here's the link:http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-s-a...00-welder.htmllook under the instruction tab for their user manualQuestions for those experienced welding:How would this stack up against the Miller 180 at 2x the price?Is this unit better/worse/lacking in anyway?Does it use standard replaceable wear and tear items? It's got a 3 year warranty but how is Eastwood's customer service? Seems people are happy with the performance of their MIGs.Is there another unit 110v (120v) capable out there that is offering comparable features or price?I would be experimenting with sheet metal and aluminum and steel tubing (nothing too thick).Last edited by Cybertek; 03-06-2011 at 08:20 PM.
Reply:Hey Cybertek,You're not gonna find anyone here, unless they own one, give you any answers to your query. Your best solution is to purchase one, use it, & submit to us a thread on your findings.DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Hey Denny,I meant getting advice on specs and reputation alone. I know it would be pretty unlikely someone on here would have one already since it's only been out a week or so.If someone advised me Eastwood CS sucked or there's another comparable machine out there that I've missed. I'm a total TIG novice. Although I own a MIG purchased off eBay that never really worked right for me so I didn't play with it much (that's another issue). Welds never looked as good as the Lincoln MIG I tried in an adult autobody class I took. I don't want my TIG experience to be my MIG experience.Last edited by Cybertek; 03-06-2011 at 08:47 PM.
Reply:The specs are fine as with most of these imports.The problem arises with the frequency of the units arriving in need of work for them to function.It is on your dime to return the defective unit for repair or replacement.Eastwood seems to have one heck of a return policy though- save the box and all of the packaging."60-Day Unconditional Money-Back Guarantee - 1 Year on all Eastwood branded productsOver 25 Years of experience in serving the hobbyKnowledgable, courteous customer service staffOrder anytime on our secure websiteNeed it fast? Orders placed by 12 Noon ship the same day from our on-site warehouse!Technical Support via phone, email, our ShopTalk forum, and our extensive Tech Library"Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:I was looking at getting the Everlast 185 also. It would have replaced my Hobart tig. Instead, I started hunting craigslist like a mad man. I ended up getting a lincoln precision tig 185 for $1150. I was happy to have a name brand machine, but then got on here (welding web) and started seeing posts about how the PT185 has problems with PC boards or something and they are on Lincolns *do not repair* list... Sigh...Maybe I should sell the damn thing and get the Everlast I was going to get anyways.
Reply:849.00 is list for the 185.  WW members get special consideration.  But I don't remember anything about promising it would work on 110V in the first inception. Later on yes...Brocc,They are offering only a 30 day return on the welders...Last edited by lugweld; 03-06-2011 at 10:36 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Sorry I was referring to another website (Pirate4x4) where I saw your product announcement stating 110v compatibility. I was hoping to weld by this spring not next winter. I'm not knocking your product. You have a better warranty (5yr vs. 3yr) and product selection. I just wish it would work with my current electrical service (and anyone else's that I may bring it to). I would also consider the higher end models if they had 110v option as well. Bring the 110v options out and I think Miller and Lincoln will take notice and maybe even rethink pricing (doubt it).At that very least, maybe this little bit of competition from Eastwood will light the fire under the butt of your developers and engineers to get that 110v unit out quicker
Reply:Note that any 110v tig will be very limited, especially if you want to run AC for alum. The "manual" for that machine is a POS. It tells you absolutely NOTHING.From Millers manual for the Diversion 180...http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o246522d_mil.pdfThey rate the machine at 100% duty cycle, 60 amps @ 11.3 amps on 115v Ac or 35% duty cycle at 125amps @ 26.5 amps on 115v Ac. You'll have a tough time finding a dedicated 20 amp outlet in most homes, let alone a 30 amp 115v outlet. That means if you want to do more than thin sheet metal, you will want 230v power. If you have to run a line anyways, it might as well get you full output... 125amps AC tig will get you 3/32" alum at best, pushing it to the max.Oh and the Dynasty... 100% duty cycle, 100 amps @ 20.7 amps on 115v Ac or 40% duty cycle at 140amps @ 31 amps on 115v Ac. And that for whats probably the best 115v AC/DC tig currently being manufactured. You won't find any import that will probably even come close to those numbers in real life. It's more than just bells and whistles for that $4K.I'd say you would be lucky if the imports stack up to the numbers for the Diversion 180. I'd guess they will draw more amps not less, to get the same output. Of course they don't actually tell you what the ratings are in the manual so you can compare...As far as parts and repairs... Eastwoods is a distributor like so many other imports. I doubt they stock part one for that machine. All "waranty service" is a replacement. In theory they will send you a new machine. Who knows if they will have those in say 2 years. It wouldn't surprise me if they were selling a completely different model then made by some other factory. QC on all the imports have been spotty at best. Treat this as a disposable machine, when it breaks, expect to throw it away and buy a new one. You won't find many repair centers that will touch it. You'll end up like many here trying to cobble together a fix with no electronic data to go by and no easily available replacement parts..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWAs far as parts and repairs... Eastwoods is a distributor like so many other imports. I doubt they stock part one for that machine. All "waranty service" is a replacement. In theory they will send you a new machine. Who knows if they will have those in say 2 years. It wouldn't surprise me if they were selling a completely different model then made by some other factory. QC on all the imports have been spotty at best. Treat this as a disposable machine, when it breaks, expect to throw it away and buy a new one. You won't find many repair centers that will touch it. You'll end up like many here trying to cobble together a fix with no electronic data to go by and no easily available replacement parts.
Reply:No photo of the machine?  OK...I see the link now.Here it is.Last edited by Donald Branscom; 03-13-2011 at 06:34 PM.Reason: add photoAWS certified welding inspectorAWS certified welder
Reply:$50.00 for a foot pedal that should raise a flagyou by junk you get junk
Reply:I just bought one of these welders.  I can't speak for its longevity, but I can say that so far it has performed as advertised.  It doesn't have a lot of the features most inverters have...it basically welds like a transformer machine on a 30A breaker and weighs about 40lbs.  I should say that I have only welded aluminum with it, but once I got the settings dialed in it has worked flawlessly.  The WP17 torch gets hot really quickly (expected with aluminum), and the pedal leaves much to be desired, but overall I am satisfied.  I am a hobby welder, and I needed something that required less input.  My last tig welder was an old Linde...it was supposed to be on a 125A circuit.  I had it on 70A and would trip the breaker trying to weld 1/8 material (aluminum).  I couldn't justify spending the money on a Dynasty, and I was terrified of the Chinese welders.  I finally decided I would give this one a shot...I know it is Chinese, but Eastwood has been around a lot longer than any of the other importers so I figured I would give it a try.  Anyway, I just thought I would share my limited experience with this welder.
Reply:Be careful what u buy .know the product u are buying.when its seems to b to good to b true.it probley is.buy the real deal
Reply:Originally Posted by tim7091Be careful what u buy .know the product u are buying.when its seems to b to good to b true.it probley is.buy the real deal
Reply:worth a try @ 1/2 the price of a diversion 180.
Reply:In the original post on this thread you said,"Unfortunately they've delayed their 110v units for an undetermined length of time. "Does that raise any red flags?AWS certified welding inspectorAWS certified welder
Reply:Here on this website they maintain their stance on it being ready by the end of the year.Quoted from another site:"JefWe actually getting 110v/220v in few month if testing on 110v is solid !__________________Oleg Gladshteyn"So.. I interpret that as "when we get it, we get it"But this is soley for the EVERLAST 185 (220v only) unit that I'm comparing the Eastwood TIG200 (110v/220v) unit to as a nearest low priced AC capable inverter competitor  (both $900). If Everlast actually DID have the 110v unit I would buy it over the Eastwood probably.. smaller and lighter for portability. OR if they came out with 110v for their other feature packed PowerTIG welders 200/225/250 etc I'd be okay with a larger size.Kudos to Eastwood for being the first sub $1000 110v/220v AC/DC inverter TIG to market.I'm sure sales of this will be good this spring since people were stuck inside all winter long.I'm buying a home so I'll have to wait a little longer to buy :/
Reply:Originally Posted by CybertekHere on this website they maintain their stance on it being ready by the end of the year.Quoted from another site:"JefWe actually getting 110v/220v in few month if testing on 110v is solid !__________________Oleg Gladshteyn"So.. I interpret that as "when we get it, we get it"But this is soley for the EVERLAST 185 (220v only) unit that I'm comparing the Eastwood TIG200 (110v/220v) unit to as a nearest low priced AC capable inverter competitor  (both $900). If Everlast actually DID have the 110v unit I would buy it over the Eastwood probably.. smaller and lighter for portability. OR if they came out with 110v for their other feature packed PowerTIG welders 200/225/250 etc I'd be okay with a larger size.Kudos to Eastwood for being the first sub $1000 110v/220v AC/DC inverter TIG to market.I'm sure sales of this will be good this spring since people were stuck inside all winter long.I'm buying a home so I'll have to wait a little longer to buy :/
Reply:Originally Posted by DiabolicZYeah, but as was mentioned you are pretty much only going to be able to weld thin sheet metal from a 110v outlet. So having a 110 tig welder is pretty pointless unless all you are doing is exhaust.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1may wanna contact Miller and tell them to stop making their Dual Voltage machines.
Reply:I too have been eyeballing this thing since it was first released a month or so ago. I actually sent Matt (at Eastwood) an email today asking for a better video. When I was first looking at purchasing this machine I forwarded the video to a few of my friends who know how to use a TIG Welder and know what to look for.One question that was raised, is on the video you never hear the machine actually run. You only hear the guy talking or background music playing. I honestly never thought about this until it was pointed out to me.The next thing was that it never really shows any of the finished welds on aluminum. Especially when they were welding the bracket onto the radiator. It only shows one guy holding it in place while someone else tacks it on.Also, I would like to know the limits of this machine. I mean if I can't tig anything on 110v then why put that feature up there? I asked to see some pics of some materials being welded on 110.I expressed my concerns to Matt today and he was very helpful. He said that he would pass this along and try to get a new video up. He was not offended by any of my questions which was nice. He also cleared something else up that I'm not sure that most know. He said if I purchased it and was not satisfied, they actually send a call tag and pay the return shipping as well. This really grabbed my attention and made me realize that its got to be a nice unit. I mean who is going to ship you an item for free and then pay the return shipping if you're not satisfied? Nobody that I know of unless they sell a quality product and don't plan on getting them back.For now I will still let the $900 keep burning a hole in my pocket. But once I see another video with some of my other concerns being addressed and I am satisfied with what I see I will be placing my order ASAP. I encourage you guys to send him an email with your concerns as well. I mean if they don't know whats on our minds they can't deliver an answer. Sorry for the small novel here.
Reply:We have our own dedicated factory that we work closely with to design, test, and perfect to our specifications. This is in addition to our in-house R&D here in Pottstown, PA. where we design and test the products.
Reply:The factory is in China.  I asked Eastwood a couple weeks ago before I bought my Miller.   I disagree that "Designed in the USA" means nothing, though... maybe because I'm an American engineer?  Designed AND built here is what I'd prefer, and what I bought, but "a few engineering jobs" is better than nothing.
Reply:Originally Posted by DiabolicZWell, how thick of material can a miller tig welder weld on 110v and at what duty cycle. My point was not that it doesn't make the machine versatile. Obviously it does. My point was that you can only do so much on 110v.  Here is the Miller Diversion 180.125 Amps at 12.4 VDC, 35% duty cycle (115V input), You can BARELY weld 1/8 aluminum with that.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1I can weld 1/8" Aloominum just fine with my Passport on 120v 120v is limiting but if you go somewhere for a repair that only requires the power of 120v it sure as heck makes it nice to plug in to just about any receptacle.Power from the Rv's on board 120v gensetOriginally Posted by DSWMig and tig ain't quite the same animal there Ed... And comparing you Passport to most other 110v migs is like comparing the Dynasty to the cheap imports as well. Theres a good reason they want the kind of money they do for both the Passport and the Dynasty.
Reply:After getting a number of emails and requests, we quick threw together 2 videos without "fancy editing" or music during the demonstration. In the video Evan is just showing the basics about the machine, he is self taught and not a NASA-certified TIG welder, so go easy on him!  Hopefully this gives a little more insight on the TIG200.-Matt/EW220V Input:120V Input:
Reply:While I do appreciate you guys taking the time to make a few more videos for us I was kinda hoping to see what it would do in the hands of a pro. I mean, not to be rude but I can lay down better looking beads with my Miller 135 Mig and I wouuldn't even call myself a welder. My #1 reason for wanting a Tig setup is to lay down nicer looking beads.Again I passed these videos along to a few buddies that are experienced Tig welders and they were wondering why he was welding so slow. Also it would have been nice to know the aperage he was using on the different thicknesses. Again, I know its hard to cover everything on a 4 minute video but I don't think you guys did this welder anymore justice.
Reply:Eastwood, any ideal when the shipment is arriving, I'm ready to drop the coin and get this tig, tigging.
Reply:Harsh but I'd have to agree and I'm total newbie. I've only TIG welded once for 10 minutes on a training trailer with Lincoln TIGs at a machinist convention. I'm pretty sure mine came out better IIRC. I don't think the welds came out bad because of the machine so much as the weird technique he has.. Originally Posted by 89MiragemanWhile I do appreciate you guys taking the time to make a few more videos for us I was kinda hoping to see what it would do in the hands of a pro. I mean, not to be rude but I can lay down better looking beads with my Miller 135 Mig and I wouuldn't even call myself a welder. My #1 reason for wanting a Tig setup is to lay down nicer looking beads.Again I passed these videos along to a few buddies that are experienced Tig welders and they were wondering why he was welding so slow. Also it would have been nice to know the aperage he was using on the different thicknesses. Again, I know its hard to cover everything on a 4 minute video but I don't think you guys did this welder anymore justice.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1I know but 120v option comes in handy Tig or MigI can't comment on the Eastwood but I have used a Dynasty on 120v
Reply:Next shipments will be in late this month to early May, and again in July.
Reply:Originally Posted by Eastwood CompanyAfter getting a number of emails and requests, we quick threw together 2 videos without "fancy editing" or music during the demonstration. In the video Evan is just showing the basics about the machine, he is self taught and not a NASA-certified TIG welder, so go easy on him!  Hopefully this gives a little more insight on the TIG200.-Matt/EW220V Input:120V Input:
Reply:Originally Posted by down19992000I recommend you have Evan buy a copy of one of millers tig handbooks they are only $25. He keeps pulling the filler rod out of the shielding gas and thereby contaminating it. Also how about welding two pieces of material together instead of just laying a flat bead.
Reply:Originally Posted by Eastwood CompanyAgain, we threw this together quickly. I will see what we can do having one of the more experienced guys take a portion of their day to shoot a video for everyone. I can assure that the machine performs exceptionally well. We still have our "satisfaction guarantee offer available to anyone that wants to try it out. You guys will be the first ones to know when I can sanction off a day to shoot another video.-Matt/EW
Reply:Originally Posted by Eastwood CompanyAgain, we threw this together quickly. I will see what we can do having one of the more experienced guys take a portion of their day to shoot a video for everyone. I can assure that the machine performs exceptionally well. We still have our "satisfaction guarantee offer available to anyone that wants to try it out. You guys will be the first ones to know when I can sanction off a day to shoot another video.-Matt/EW
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonThanks for your input Matt.The description says "Professional Tig Welder".  Says also "No Hassle 3 year Warranty".Now you say satisfaction guarantee offer. How long does that apply? 3 years?
Reply:As with ordering online. I placed an order  4 weeks dropping $3000 to eastwood got everything minus the tig welder, back ordered till 4-29.  Called in this morning to check status. Low n behold new eta is  5-13  and that date can change to even further.  That was the response I got from eastwood.   Judging from others member it will keep getting pushed back by 2 weeks.  I love you eastwood but time is money and I can't afford another 2 weeks or more. Going back to my guns with Lincoln
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1"Backed by Eastwood’s no-hassle 3-year warranty. Try it for 30 days, and if you’re not satisfied, simply return it."From their website.
Reply:Originally Posted by LMironworksAs with ordering online. I placed an order  4 weeks dropping $3000 to eastwood got everything minus the tig welder, back ordered till 4-29.  Called in this morning to check status. Low n behold new eta is  5-13  and that date can change to even further.  That was the response I got from eastwood.   Judging from others member it will keep getting pushed back by 2 weeks.  I love you eastwood but time is money and I can't afford another 2 weeks or more. Going back to my guns with Lincoln
Reply:A little off topic but I also noticed that Matt from Eastwood hasn't logged on here since the end of April. I had sent him a pm a while back and noticed that he never replied.
Reply:^^I'm sure they have better things to do than to be posting on a forum on a day to day basis. Has anyone bought this yet? I'm seriously considering it.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by CybertekI just saw on their site a 110v / 220v welder for $900 SHIPPED! I was originally looking at the Everlast Micro 185 also $899 ($849 + $50 for foot pedal) because they originally announced it's be able to do 110v. Unfortunately they've delayed their 110v units for an undetermined length of time.  The dimensions of the TIG200 seem to be about the size of the Miller Diversion. The Dynasty would be a dream unit but at 4-5x the price and not knowing if I'll ever use those bells and whistles, I'll pass.Here's the link:http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-s-a...00-welder.htmllook under the instruction tab for their user manualQuestions for those experienced welding:How would this stack up against the Miller 180 at 2x the price?Is this unit better/worse/lacking in anyway?Does it use standard replaceable wear and tear items? It's got a 3 year warranty but how is Eastwood's customer service? Seems people are happy with the performance of their MIGs.Is there another unit 110v (120v) capable out there that is offering comparable features or price?I would be experimenting with sheet metal and aluminum and steel tubing (nothing too thick).
Reply:Originally Posted by CybertekSo the 13th has come and gone. Have they shipped the TIG welder out? Any idea what the issue is/was?
Reply:Originally Posted by ed machere we go again this is a add
Reply:Originally Posted by LMironworksI sent ahead and cancelled the order and went with the my true red machine. Picked up a lincoln 185 and have been using it since. I went head and payed more, it did hurt me for awhile but I'm back up, The machine is paying for itself now.
Reply:Originally Posted by CybertekWonder if the 220v dryer connection in my condo would work for a TIG welder?
Reply:What QC issues was eastwood having? I'm on the fence about buying one this week!Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by 89MiragemanA little off topic but I also noticed that Matt from Eastwood hasn't logged on here since the end of April. I had sent him a pm a while back and noticed that he never replied.
Reply:As soon as it goes on sale I'm buying one. I can't freaking wait.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer