"New" Contractor Welder Looking for Advice on Quoting Services

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As the title states, I am soon to be venturing into the world of self-employment (part-time, anyways, won't be quitting my day job anytime soon). I've posted an ad on craigslist listing my qualifications (3 yrs certified stick/MiG/FCAW, welding mostly in pressure vessel fab shops), offering to perform odd jobs for those interested and have been surprised at how quickly requests have been coming in. While I feel fully confident in my ability to perform the tasks, and have the necessary equipment to do so, I have never been in the business of...being in business for myself and as such am clueless in regards to how I ought to go about quoting prices for the jobs to be performed in such a way as to be fair to the customer and still make a profit. As an example, one of my jobs coming up will be to build a farmer two 4'x10'x2' ramps to sheds, along with other miscellaneous projects. I'm going to be building these out of 1/4" 2x2 steel angle and a 1/4" piece of sheet metal (I recommended expanded metal to significantly reduce pricing but the customer is more concerned about aesthetics). I will be tack-welding with 6011 and welding up with 7018 (as I'm currently limited to a TiG/Stick welder currently and figure the 6011 is a cheaper option than running Argon for simple tacks/stringer beads). Some limited dirt/masonry work will need to be done by myself as well, prior to installment.My plan, thus far, was to build the design in solidworks, create a list of materials necessary (metals, filler material, grinding discs, etc.) for construction, and deliver an invoice to the customer, as he has agreed to pay for the building materials up front, and labor costs upon completion (I believe this to be a good business model, but please inform me if I'm wrong). My difficulty comes in deciding just how to go about quoting for labor/incurred expenses: Are there different rates for residential/industrial customers? Would $30/hr be a reasonable rate for basic stick welding fabrication? Should I be charging a separate rate for performing dirt/construction work? What is a good percentage surcharge to apply to building materials for the cost of acquisition/transportation, if any?All in all, I honestly enjoy welding sufficiently that I'm not overly concerned with making too great a profit at this time, but would like to begin to learn the answers to these basic questions now, so that in the future, should opportunity present itself, I might be at least somewhat more prepared to transition into working for myself full time as a fabricator.Any advice, be it specific answers, or general wisdom is much appreciated, and I thank you beforehand for taking the time to view and respond to my posting.
Reply:Originally Posted by michahsimmonsAs the title states, I am soon to be venturing into the world of self-employment (part-time, anyways, won't be quitting my day job anytime soon). I've posted an ad on craigslist listing my qualifications (3 yrs certified stick/MiG/FCAW, welding mostly in pressure vessel fab shops), offering to perform odd jobs for those interested and have been surprised at how quickly requests have been coming in. While I feel fully confident in my ability to perform the tasks, and have the necessary equipment to do so, I have never been in the business of...being in business for myself and as such am clueless in regards to how I ought to go about quoting prices for the jobs to be performed in such a way as to be fair to the customer and still make a profit. As an example, one of my jobs coming up will be to build a farmer two 4'x10'x2' ramps to sheds, along with other miscellaneous projects. I'm going to be building these out of 1/4" 2x2 steel angle and a 1/4" piece of sheet metal (I recommended expanded metal to significantly reduce pricing but the customer is more concerned about aesthetics). I will be tack-welding with 6011 and welding up with 7018 (as I'm currently limited to a TiG/Stick welder currently and figure the 6011 is a cheaper option than running Argon for simple tacks/stringer beads). Some limited dirt/masonry work will need to be done by myself as well, prior to installment.My plan, thus far, was to build the design in solidworks, create a list of materials necessary (metals, filler material, grinding discs, etc.) for construction, and deliver an invoice to the customer, as he has agreed to pay for the building materials up front, and labor costs upon completion (I believe this to be a good business model, but please inform me if I'm wrong). My difficulty comes in deciding just how to go about quoting for labor/incurred expenses: Are there different rates for residential/industrial customers? Would $30/hr be a reasonable rate for basic stick welding fabrication? Should I be charging a separate rate for performing dirt/construction work? What is a good percentage surcharge to apply to building materials for the cost of acquisition/transportation, if any?All in all, I honestly enjoy welding sufficiently that I'm not overly concerned with making too great a profit at this time, but would like to begin to learn the answers to these basic questions now, so that in the future, should opportunity present itself, I might be at least somewhat more prepared to transition into working for myself full time as a fabricator.Any advice, be it specific answers, or general wisdom is much appreciated, and I thank you beforehand for taking the time to view and respond to my posting.
Reply:Thanks for that tip. I should have stated I've already contacted the county clerk where I live and have been assured there are not business permits or licenses required for private contract workers, so long as I am not employing any individuals besides myself. One of the few areas where Texas laws seem to actually be preferable...
Reply:Craigslist customers are annoying. Ive tryed it and it pretty much isnt worth my time.Dynasty 200DX   (2014)Millermatic 211 (2015)Optrel 864   (2014)Smith Medium duty MBA 30510 (Xmas 2014)Tennsmith 16ga 4ft finger brake (2015)Trailblazer 325 EFI and excel Thermal dynamics Cutmaster 82Miller maxtron 450
Reply:Originally Posted by outdoortCraigslist customers are annoying. Ive tryed it and it pretty much isnt worth my time.
Reply:Originally Posted by michahsimmonsA I have never been in the business of...being in business for myself and as such am clueless in regards to how I ought to go about quoting prices for the jobs to be performed in such a way as to be fair to the customer and still make a profit.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWMany businesses fail not because the people can't do the work, it's because they can't run a business. Biggest thing is to track costs, ALL your costs. I see plenty of guys do side work and think they are making money because someone hands them cash, and it covers the main materials and some left over. In reality they missed a lot of consumables, fuel, and other costs and actually lost money.Big items are easy to track. few ever forget to bill for steel or rods. It's grinding disks, fasteners, mig tips, welding gas, fuel for the truck, insurance, permits and licenses and so on that get forgotten. Also if you use "left over" materials, don't forget to bill for them, even if you may have been paid for them before. If you don't, eventually you'll screw yourself if you use the old job to help set the price for the new one. I'd suggest you get a program like Quickbooks etc to help track costs and help keep records of what you did and what it cost to do it. ANYTHING business related gets inputted into the program. It doesn't matter if it's $1.50 worth of bolts or a can of spray paint, or it's a new tip for the OA torch, steel, rods, an insurance payment or your phone... The more you track, the better an idea you will have of what everything is actually costing you.Also do yourself a favor and find a good accountant. A wise person once told me a good accountant is one who finds enough savings at tax time to cover their bill and then some. He can tell you what you can or can not, claim as a write off and so on. Don't be at all surprised if in the beginning and maybe for a few years, you run in the red. Many costs such as insurance cost the same whether you are doing this full time or part time. The big difference is FT, you get to spread those costs out over more jobs than you do part time. $2000 or $3000 a year in insurance is a big nut to chew on if you only do a few dozen side jobs. Up side is you may be able to use that loss to offset taxes from your other job, so you still may come out ahead in the long run.
Reply:I'm in the beginning stages of doing the same thing you are. Currently fielding quotes for a surety bond and liability insurance, and procuring equipment. I'll be following this thread as I'm in search of the same information. I have a decent grasp on the business aspect, but the actual quoting of jobs is the piece I'm still trying to nail down.Jody, from Welding Tips & Tricks, has the most succinct advice I've heard so far regarding quoting jobs. I don't know how well it works in the real world, but it's the best I have to go on right now.He says to figure $1.00 per inch of weld deposited, plus $1.00 per tack weld, and then add 10%. You would probably be safe by applying this method to a job or two, and making adjustments as necessary.Speaking from experience, I wouldn't charge by the hour if you can avoid it, and the reason is simple. You're potentially leaving money on the table, and also risking frustrating your client. If it's your first time doing a particular project, it might take you longer to figure it out and get in to a rhythm. If the job takes you 10 hours to complete, then maybe you made $350 if you are charging $35 an hour. Now, the client may feel that's a fair price for the work he got done, or maybe he feels that you were milking it and it took way too long. Now, suppose he's a repeat customer with periodic work that's basically the same. After you've done it for him five times, it no longer takes 10 hours to complete. Now, you can do it in 6. If you charge him the same $35 an hour, you've effectively reduced your hourly wage because you're doing the same work, but in 4 hours less time. Now you only made $210 on that job instead of $350. But you can't really up your prices on your client either to compensate, because he'll probably be upset that you're suddenly raising your rates on something that you've done for him multiple times. By setting a flat rate, it keeps your customers at bay and it also allows you to dictate your hourly wage. You have MUCH more control over how much money you make. If you charge $1000 for a given job and you knock it out in one long day, then you made $100 an hour and the customer is happy for the work they got done for $1000. On the other hand, if you stand around hemming and hawing at the job all morning, it might take you two days to finish it. In this scenario, you will have reduced your hourly rate to only $50. The problem with an hourly wage is that you are placing a cap on your earning potential. No matter what you do, there are only a certain number of hours in the day during which you can be productive and effective in your work. So you're always going to make the same amount no matter what you do.By charging a set rate per job, you're in control. The more experience you get under your belt, the faster you get at everything you're doing. As you start finishing jobs in less time, you can pack more work in to the same number of working hours, thus effectively increasing your pay rate.Essentially, an hourly wage means you're being paid for your time, while a custom quote per job means your client is paying for the work that's actually getting done. Both tend to end up happier when they bill for, and pay for, the work they want done.Last edited by Hillbilly Welder; 06-12-2016 at 08:20 PM.
Reply:You are in an excellent position. You are showing that you are smart enough to know you don't know and are willing to ask. It will be impossible for you to stick to one method when quoting. Some jobs need to be bid hourly and some need to be bid by the job. Keep in mind that there is lots you don't know and when bidding by the job you can get stuck with normal and reasonable expenses you should have known about. Cost of materials might change, we write into the contract that variances larger than 5% "may" be charged to the customer. Then we tell the customer when it costs more and don't charge him. Customer Service. Bidding by the hour means travel time, prep time (we call it mobilization) and don't forget the costs not directly associated with doing the work. This is where your accountant is invaluable, start with the list of deductions he or she wants you to claim, that's stuff like a cell phone, business cards, charges to open a bank account etc. You have to pay for all of it so you need to pass it on to your customer. Another wise word you need to heed, get insurance based on what you do. Like others have said, shop it around, some insurance sales people will sell you the world if they see a chance and neglect to sell you what you really need. You're in a great spot because you can take your time and say no whenever you want, jumping in full time often leaves you doing things you really don't want to do. Your idea of overflow welding at anothers shop can work and you can extend it to rig welders around you. They often get jobs that are too big for them alone and if you can work out a deal, a fair deal, you'll find it very worthwhile. I have a very good friend who is "in" with two small excavators and he stays busy resurfacing buckets and repairing in addition to his regular job. He has a deal worked out with another welder who is full time and if they need something right away the other guy goes and takes care of it. My buddy bills them and as far as they are concerned my buddy did the work. Take your time and ask questions. See if there are some classes at the local colleges about business. Find a LWS who is willing to work with you and form a relationship with them. They might be willing to let others people know about you. Work hard, be fair, treat others well, turn the other cheek when they aren't nice, keep asking questions and you'll have them knocking down the door.Trailblazer 302G12VS Extreme Miller SD180Coolmate 4Miller 251Miller 175Victor OAHypertherm 380Milling MachineLatheBandsaw
Reply:Originally Posted by Hillbilly WelderI'm in the beginning stages of doing the same thing you are. Currently fielding quotes for a surety bond and liability insurance, and procuring equipment. I'll be following this thread as I'm in search of the same information. I have a decent grasp on the business aspect, but the actual quoting of jobs is the piece I'm still trying to nail down.Jody, from Welding Tips & Tricks, has the most succinct advice I've heard so far regarding quoting jobs. I don't know how well it works in the real world, but it's the best I have to go on right now.He says to figure $1.00 per inch of weld deposited, plus $1.00 per tack weld, and then add 10%. You would probably be safe by applying this method to a job or two, and making adjustments as necessary.Speaking from experience, I wouldn't charge by the hour if you can avoid it, and the reason is simple. You're potentially leaving money on the table, and also risking frustrating your client. If it's your first time doing a particular project, it might take you longer to figure it out and get in to a rhythm. If the job takes you 10 hours to complete, then maybe you made $350 if you are charging $35 an hour. Now, the client may feel that's a fair price for the work he got done, or maybe he feels that you were milking it and it took way too long. Now, suppose he's a repeat customer with periodic work that's basically the same. After you've done it for him five times, it no longer takes 10 hours to complete. Now, you can do it in 6. If you charge him the same $35 an hour, you've effectively reduced your hourly wage because you're doing the same work, but in 4 hours less time. Now you only made $210 on that job instead of $350. But you can't really up your prices on your client either to compensate, because he'll probably be upset that you're suddenly raising your rates on something that you've done for him multiple times. By setting a flat rate, it keeps your customers at bay and it also allows you to dictate your hourly wage. You have MUCH more control over how much money you make. If you charge $1000 for a given job and you knock it out in one long day, then you made $100 an hour and the customer is happy for the work they got done for $1000. On the other hand, if you stand around hemming and hawing at the job all morning, it might take you two days to finish it. In this scenario, you will have reduced your hourly rate to only $50. The problem with an hourly wage is that you are placing a cap on your earning potential. No matter what you do, there are only a certain number of hours in the day during which you can be productive and effective in your work. So you're always going to make the same amount no matter what you do.By charging a set rate per job, you're in control. The more experience you get under your belt, the faster you get at everything you're doing. As you start finishing jobs in less time, you can pack more work in to the same number of working hours, thus effectively increasing your pay rate.Essentially, an hourly wage means you're being paid for your time, while a custom quote per job means your client is paying for the work that's actually getting done. Both tend to end up happier when they bill for, and pay for, the work they want done.
Reply:Originally Posted by acx780You are in an excellent position. You are showing that you are smart enough to know you don't know and are willing to ask. It will be impossible for you to stick to one method when quoting. Some jobs need to be bid hourly and some need to be bid by the job. Keep in mind that there is lots you don't know and when bidding by the job you can get stuck with normal and reasonable expenses you should have known about. Cost of materials might change, we write into the contract that variances larger than 5% "may" be charged to the customer. Then we tell the customer when it costs more and don't charge him. Customer Service. Bidding by the hour means travel time, prep time (we call it mobilization) and don't forget the costs not directly associated with doing the work. This is where your accountant is invaluable, start with the list of deductions he or she wants you to claim, that's stuff like a cell phone, business cards, charges to open a bank account etc. You have to pay for all of it so you need to pass it on to your customer. Another wise word you need to heed, get insurance based on what you do. Like others have said, shop it around, some insurance sales people will sell you the world if they see a chance and neglect to sell you what you really need. You're in a great spot because you can take your time and say no whenever you want, jumping in full time often leaves you doing things you really don't want to do. Your idea of overflow welding at anothers shop can work and you can extend it to rig welders around you. They often get jobs that are too big for them alone and if you can work out a deal, a fair deal, you'll find it very worthwhile. I have a very good friend who is "in" with two small excavators and he stays busy resurfacing buckets and repairing in addition to his regular job. He has a deal worked out with another welder who is full time and if they need something right away the other guy goes and takes care of it. My buddy bills them and as far as they are concerned my buddy did the work. Take your time and ask questions. See if there are some classes at the local colleges about business. Find a LWS who is willing to work with you and form a relationship with them. They might be willing to let others people know about you. Work hard, be fair, treat others well, turn the other cheek when they aren't nice, keep asking questions and you'll have them knocking down the door.
Reply:Charge more per hourAccount for the overhead time, ordering materials, drawing the design, driving, and so on.My plan, thus far, was to build the design in solidworks, create a list of materials necessary (metals, filler material, grinding discs, etc.) for construction, and deliver an invoice to the customer, as he has agreed to pay for the building materials up front, and labor costs upon completion
Reply:Never give out drawings, material take offs etc without money changing hands. I've seen it way too many times where people want a drawing to see what something looks like, then you never see them again. Later you find out they took your work and either did it themselves, or used your work to find a lower bidder. You either want to be paid for your time to do the drawings, or you want a deposit to do the job.I had a friend who used to do architectural drawings on the side. He got burned a couple of times submitting drawings to the customer for "review" only to never hear from them again and never get paid. He found out  that a contractor he knew ended up doing one of the jobs he'd done drawings for. The "client" submitted his working drawings to the township to get the permits needed, but he got zero for his work. He later learned to turn off all the dimension layers and to print out the drawings on a "distorted" scale for review ( who uses a 1/13th scale) . That way you really couldn't pull useful data off the drawings submitted..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:I am in a similar situation so will follow this thread with interest.One thing I have found is that many of my customers like the "detailed billing" that I submit with each invoice. It details every little item I used on the job and the time spent on each part of the project. I also don't have any "markup" on my consumables, I simply charge what it would cost them to buy locally.I began this since I was tracking everything I purchased to get an idea of what my costs were anyways. It's been rather educational, one expense that surprised me is my vehicle fuel and maintenance costs.It also gives me a record to check when it comes to giving an estimate, rarely are any two jobs the same but if I can reference a past job that is in any way similar it helps to get me in the ball park.So far what has worked for me has been to charge a rate of $35 per hour (if they have several days worth of work and I can use their shop), or $50 per hour for short term or portable work. When the going rate locally for a welding truck is $85-100 I have been very busy, so much so that I expect to raise my rates in the next month, just so I can get a day off to work on my truck or mow the lawn.One thing to consider is that you need to realize the the tax collector will want his pound of flesh at the end of the year. I have heard many horror stories of fellas who have gone on their own and thought they were doing well until the year end, then realize that the government wants a check for $20k. Keep good records, as much of what you buy is going to be tax deductible, your welding gloves, coveralls, helmet cover lens, boots, safety glasses, etc; these are all expenses that add up. Find an accountant who specializes in small business and set up a good bookkeeping system.
Reply:Originally Posted by SaskWelderSo far what has worked for me has been to charge a rate of $35 per hour (if they have several days worth of work and I can use their shop), or $50 per hour for short term or portable work. When the going rate locally for a welding truck is $85-100 I have been very busy, so much so that I expect to raise my rates in the next month, just so I can get a day off to work on my truck or mow the lawn.
Reply:Do not to figure your shop cost too electric, water and heating or cooling. It might be in the household budget but it  still cost you. Since most new owners of a business is at home in their home shop they forget about the cost added there. Equipment cost are not always figured in to a job either for newbies in quotes. Yes have bought and paid for the equipment and at some point you will need to replace it too.   Like other have said it's the small things that will make you successful or not. Basically  do not forget the pennies looking at the dollars.  Here is something that sticks in my head. The owner of a company was walking out on the floor of his shop one day. He was watching his employees cleaning up. Has he walked by one of the guys working he noticed that they sweep up some washers on the floor into a dust pan and was head to the trash with it. He stopped the guy before he made it and asked are you going to throw a way your next raise? The guy looked at him funny and answer no. He then asked him to look in the dust pan and said then think about what you are throwing a way. He looked and he saw nothing but thrash. Then the owner took the pan and went through it picked out all the good parts that was dropped that day on the floor to show the guy and said here is your raise going into the trash.  This was only a few washers that had fell onto the floor.Klutch 220si mig , stick, and dc tigHobart 140 AHP ALPHA 200X 2016Lotos LTP5000DSmith O/P
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWIf your rates are $35-50 and standard going rate in your area is $85-100, then you are selling yourself way short or you are missing something big time. Leaving that kind of cash on the table simply doesn't make sense. I don't like to mark up materials either as many times it's too easy for clients to compare what I charge to what they can pay themselves and discrepancies can cause issues. However I've found it very hard to account for every nail, screw, piece of sand paper etc used on a job. To cover that I have to have some "fudge" in the billing to account for those expenses. That's part of what many use that mark up for. I usually itemize it as misc if I'm doing a detailed break down, but usually I just list "materials" and wrap that cost in with the rest and round up to the nearest round number. The other thing that often gets missed is time and fuel going to get materials, do estimates etc. That's another reason guys often do a mark up. That allows them to cover all that hard to recover time each job takes.It's also very hard to raise your rates later on.  Often current customers think you are now trying to rip them off. That can often lead to bitter feelings and can hurt your reputation. Your reputation is often THE most important thing in your business.
Reply:Originally Posted by SaskWelderOne thing to consider is that you need to realize the the tax collector will want his pound of flesh at the end of the year. I have heard many horror stories of fellas who have gone on their own and thought they were doing well until the year end, then realize that the government wants a check for $20k. Keep good records, as much of what you buy is going to be tax deductible, your welding gloves, coveralls, helmet cover lens, boots, safety glasses, etc; these are all expenses that add up. Find an accountant who specializes in small business and set up a good bookkeeping system.
Reply:Buy undercutting the going rate what happens is the companies that are doing the work legitly iirc licenced and bonded and what not is drive down what customers expect as a fair rate what you might think is fair with with no overhead will have u kicking yourself later when u have overheadMiller Xmt 350Lincoln Ln-25Ahp 200xSmith Gas Mixer AR/HTig is my Kung FuThrowing down dimes and weaving aboutInstagram http://instagram.com/[email protected]
Reply:Companies increase cost all the time. Clients should be expecting it. If he's smart, he'll implement small increases every year, overhead or not, while still keeping him competitive in the market. Not to mention, having overhead implies that the company is growing, which by extension means that he is building a larger client list and has more work. A 10% increase on one client will have the same effect on mitigating his overhead as a 1% increase on ten clients. There are ways to stay competitive.
Reply:My undercutting the going rate is temporary and all my clients know it, this encourages them to "get work done before my rates go up".  In the beginning I would be using half of the farmers tools to do a job so I certainly didn't feel like I could charge the same as what a fully equipped truck would. But that is changing as I slowly get better set up, another week and I expect to have my Ranger 305G going again (run for 9 hrs then realized the motor needed a rebuild). Just got my arc air gouging equipment in the mail and other items are on order.The rates in this area had been at a ridiculous level when the price of oil was high and the local potash mine was in the middle of a $1.7 Billion expansion project. "I don't get out of bed for less than $150 and hour"  was the brag made by one fella, well those days are over and that Hot Shot getting plenty of sleep now. The mine expansion is winding down and the oil patch is just idling along. Its back to normal now (whatever "normal" means) so the guys that banked on those high rates are upon some hard times. The rest of us will adjust our rates to keep busy and keep an eye out for used equipment that the hot shots will be selling off for cheap when their alimony and child support is due
Reply:Originally Posted by SaskWelderMy undercutting the going rate is temporary and all my clients know it, this encourages them to "get work done before my rates go up".  In the beginning I would be using half of the farmers tools to do a job so I certainly didn't feel like I could charge the same as what a fully equipped truck would. But that is changing as I slowly get better set up, another week and I expect to have my Ranger 305G going again (run for 9 hrs then realized the motor needed a rebuild). Just got my arc air gouging equipment in the mail and other items are on order.The rates in this area had been at a ridiculous level when the price of oil was high and the local potash mine was in the middle of a $1.7 Billion expansion project. "I don't get out of bed for less than $150 and hour"  was the brag made by one fella, well those days are over and that Hot Shot getting plenty of sleep now. The mine expansion is winding down and the oil patch is just idling along. Its back to normal now (whatever "normal" means) so the guys that banked on those high rates are upon some hard times. The rest of us will adjust our rates to keep busy and keep an eye out for used equipment that the hot shots will be selling off for cheap when their alimony and child support is due
Reply:$30/hr or even 40 is way to cheap if you're running a portable and supplying all the consumables and grinding discs etc. I would bet you make more at your regular job and everything is supplied. You cut rates too much and you pizz off the guys that do it full time. You'll run into cheap people that want a ton of stuff done and then figure they can haggle on the final price no matter what it is. That's another reason for a rate close to what the going rate is. It helps to weed out the dreamers that want their work done for next to nothing. Also don't be afraid to say no to jobs that could be a headache. Getting bonded might not be a bad idea either because then you can take a deposit up front before starting a bigger job.Last edited by Welder Dave; 06-14-2016 at 01:47 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by SaskWelderMy undercutting the going rate is temporary and all my clients know it, this encourages them to "get work done before my rates go up".  In the beginning I would be using half of the farmers tools to do a job so I certainly didn't feel like I could charge the same as what a fully equipped truck would. But that is changing as I slowly get better set up, another week and I expect to have my Ranger 305G going again (run for 9 hrs then realized the motor needed a rebuild). Just got my arc air gouging equipment in the mail and other items are on order.The rates in this area had been at a ridiculous level when the price of oil was high and the local potash mine was in the middle of a $1.7 Billion expansion project. "I don't get out of bed for less than $150 and hour"  was the brag made by one fella, well those days are over and that Hot Shot getting plenty of sleep now. The mine expansion is winding down and the oil patch is just idling along. Its back to normal now (whatever "normal" means) so the guys that banked on those high rates are upon some hard times. The rest of us will adjust our rates to keep busy and keep an eye out for used equipment that the hot shots will be selling off for cheap when their alimony and child support is due
Reply:Originally Posted by WeldorWesYour going to want to get a business license and insurance. I carry 10 million in liability for the work i do Police actually set up stings to catch unlicensed contractors on craigslistLet's keep in mind that an intro rate is just that. Your customer will use you till the next guy comes out with an intro rate. I say pick your rate, discount it and tell the customer what the normal rate is. You can beat the other guy with your competence and professionalism. The trick in business is to sell it numerous times. Get your customer to jump right to you when they needs welding. Selling yourself cheap tells your customer you're not really worth more. That's the issue with CL customers, they just need it done the cheaper the better. Wanna get schooled on what I'm talking about? Seek out a guy who owns two or three tow trucks, they always need something welded, trade him an hour of work for an honest hour of talk. He'll tell you it's a cutthroat business, just like any business. He'llstab the next guy as soon as look at him. Now go find a guy with ten or more trucks. He's a completely different animal, he wins by being smart and up front. He also charges top dollar. The other guy? Not so much, but he charges top dollar. There's plenty of guys with welding rigs, you have to distinguish yourself above them, do some really good work, talk and listen to the customer, ask them to give you a try. Simply asking, not implied asking, really saying the words for someone to allow you to show them why your better than the other guy will go alot further than just dropping off a card.Trailblazer 302G12VS Extreme Miller SD180Coolmate 4Miller 251Miller 175Victor OAHypertherm 380Milling MachineLatheBandsaw
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveDid  your 305G get overfilled with gas and flood the carb causing the cylinders to get washed down? It is not uncommon on the new machines.