Evolution Rage 2 carbide blade sharpened by WD Quinn Saw Co.

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So I had this blade and finally got around to sending it to WD Quinn for sharpening.  I wish I had take a "before" shot, but none the less...It is a 14" Rage 2 36-tooth multi-purpose blade.Nicely laser-engraved with the customer name, with freshly "ground" surfaces on both soundsOnly one damaged tooth, which was repaired with a new tooth, the one that has extra brazing around itYou can see the grinding marks on the follower-tooth that they ground for proper clearanceOnly complaint?  They use UPS for shipping, and the shipping cost more than the sharpening+tooth repair!  I shipped via USPS so it only cost me ~$10 to ship to them, so overall ~$46 vs buying a new blade for $72+tax on Amazon, yea I'll keep sending it to them.  I just have to convince them to send it back with my own pre-paid USPS shipping label!Last edited by Oscar; 06-08-2020 at 11:28 PM. 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:That's not bad for a blade like that.IMPEACH BIDEN!NRA LIFE MEMBERUNITWELD 175 AMP 3 IN1 DCMIDSTATES 300 AMP AC MACHINEGOD HELP AMERICA!“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream".RONALD REAGAN
Reply:Very reasonable prices. Have you tried the blade since they sharpened it?I have about 8 dull 10" X 52T steel blades and some non ferrous triple chip blades that need to be fixed and sharpened.I have wanted to send them someplace.Ernie F.
Reply:Originally Posted by metalman21Very reasonable prices. Have you tried the blade since they sharpened it?I have about 8 dull 10" X 52T steel blades and some non ferrous triple chip blades that need to be fixed and sharpened.I have wanted to send them someplace.
Reply:Oscar, thanks for posting the info on Quinn.  One of the main reasons I have held back on buying an Evolution saw is the high price of replacement blades.  The relatively low price for the work Quinn does has me now looking toward getting a saw.
Reply:Yea, they do have different "tiers" that is mainly based on the tooth-count, but for most blades that are not torn to shreds, the cost of repair should be worth it.W.D. Quinn Price Sheet 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:I have a HF blade sharpener that sharpens very well. Used it at least a dozen times. Beats buying new blades or sending them out to be sharpened.ChrisAuction Addict
Reply:Originally Posted by milomiloI have a HF blade sharpener that sharpens very well. Used it at least a dozen times. Beats buying new blades or sending them out to be sharpened.
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfuseOscar, thanks for posting the info on Quinn.  One of the main reasons I have held back on buying an Evolution saw is the high price of replacement blades.  The relatively low price for the work Quinn does has me now looking toward getting a saw.
Reply:Originally Posted by metalman21I understand your reservations. I spent over 3 times what the POS saw cost for blades. The Oshlun blades were OK I guess, IIR cost less than the Evolution blades. I have Diablo that I use for aluminum on another miter saw (Bosch).If I can get them all sharpened/fixed for about 20-25% of new its a winner.
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksI've been looking at the EVO and Fein saws. The CT blades are problematic for most people to sharpen and most just don't have carbide sharpening capabilities. I don't think the aluminum blades have carbide teeth on them, you certainly don't need them for it. They do have different blades for steel and stainless, but you can probably use the same mild steel blade for all that material.The guy over at Jimbo's Garage has a Fein Slugger and used 1 blade (the original) for about a year, it had chipped teeth on it and worn but it was still cutting steel fine.If I end up getting one of these saws I'm just gonna keep cutting until the blade is all beat up like that guy's at Jimbo's Garage.
Reply:Blade works just like newI noticed that they do a procedure to the cutting teeth themselves, or rather to the geometry on the back of the tooth.  I'm sure it's better than how the blade came brand new as it didn't have it before.  I won't pretend to know about blade sharpening, but I know I can't do that on my harbor freight blade sharpener, and I'm sure WD Quinn have their procedures figured out after so many years of doing this.Overall, money well spent. 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:Oscar,I have a couple questions. In looking on Amazon I see that this 36 tooth blade does say it cuts through steel, aluminum, wood and plastic, but the blade that ships on the EVO S355CP and S355CPS is a 14" 66 tooth carbide tipped blade, made in Japan.Is this 36 tooth blade a carbide tipped blade?Here's the 66 tooth blade, with carbide teeth.https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Pow...VRG/ref=sr_1_1Here's the 36 tooth blade, no mention of carbide, but made in Japan.https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Pow...3E/ref=sr_1_11Also, out of curiosity, what speed is the saw your using this blade on?
Reply:Well, it has "tips" on it, that don't file, so if they're not carbide I don't know what they are.  I think the Rage 2 saw runs about 1300 RPMs.Apparently, there's two styles for this blade.  Why, I have no idea.https://www.amazon.com/HTC-Evolution...22&s=hi&sr=1-1 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarBlade works just like new
Reply:Originally Posted by Oscarhttps://www.amazon.com/HTC-Evolution...22&s=hi&sr=1-1
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfuseThat's 'cause they engraved your name on it, LOL!
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarYea, with this blade I take it very very easy so as to not chip teeth.  If I do buy another blade, I want to try the Diablo Cermet blade with 90 teeth; it's rated for both mild and stainless steel, and should cut very smoothly with that many teeth.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartNot being a wise guy, but they list that blade as being for stuff thinner than 3/32" which seems pretty limiting.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartI've got the Evolution S380CPS and have been really impressed, but I'd like to get a second blade so when I send one out for sharpening I'm not stuck with just the bandsaw.  I think the 15" Evo blade is what I'm going to get, but still researching options.
Reply:Originally Posted by milomiloI have a HF blade sharpener that sharpens very well. Used it at least a dozen times. Beats buying new blades or sending them out to be sharpened.
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarWell, it has "tips" on it, that don't file, so if they're not carbide I don't know what they are.  I think the Rage 2 saw runs about 1300 RPMs.Apparently, there's two styles for this blade.  Why, I have no idea.https://www.amazon.com/HTC-Evolution...22&s=hi&sr=1-1
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarI thought so too.....*Pst*Hint: take a look at the actual blade*
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksThe one thing good about those EVO blades is they are made in Japan. I wasn't clear where the Fein Slugger blade was made.The other thing is the 14" blade is quite a bit cheaper than the 15" blade, which is most likely why they supply the 14" with the saw to begin with.You have the saw with the cast base on it, right? Seems those are out of stock now and the S380CPSL (presumably the light version) which has the stamped base in in stock.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBart Regardless, it's saved me a lot of time compared with the bandsaw.Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksThe whole reason I've been considering getting one of these saws is to have reliable miters that come off the saw that I can take to the welding table.Do you get repeatable, clean miters like that?I was looking at the S380CPS, but Evolution has it marked out of stock with no projected ETA, and I sent them a question from their site on Amazon and haven't got a reply back from them in close to 2 weeks now. The Fein Slugger is also a cast base, albeit only a 14" saw. About the same price as the S380CPS, made in Taiwan rather than China.
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksThe whole reason I've been considering getting one of these saws is to have reliable miters that come off the saw that I can take to the welding table.Do you get repeatable, clean miters like that?I was looking at the S380CPS, but Evolution has it marked out of stock with no projected ETA, and I sent them a question from their site on Amazon and haven't got a reply back from them in close to 2 weeks now. The Fein Slugger is also a cast base, albeit only a 14" saw. About the same price as the S380CPS, made in Taiwan rather than China.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartI haven't done any miter cuts with mine yet.  My buddy at work bought a S380CPS a week before I did (we have been talking about this style saw for a year).  His first project was making a rolling cart for holding metal stock and after one day he was raving about how perfect the cuts were...he's super meticulous and swears that he was getting dead on 45* cut after 45* cut and they lined up perfectly when he went to weld them.  I'm probably going to start on small table soon and have been looking forward to trying the miter cuts to see if they wind up as good as his did.  I'll report back when I do.
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksI'll be interested to hear your experience, if I don't buy one before... The one area I'm interested in is when going between 90 degree and 45 degree, those are the 2 most common angles I cut. On my band saw I typically have to make a test cut to get as close as I can to 45 degrees. I was hoping that these cold saws could cut reliably between the 2 and produce weldable joints right off the saw. I don't miter everything, hence the desire to get between 90 and 45 degrees reliably. It's hard to tell how accurate the degree settings are for the miter and/or if they're reliable since there are no indents that I can tell.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartI'm not sure how well the pictures or website info covers it, but the table has preset holes for different angles.  You loosen the locking bolts, pull up on the spring-loaded pin, rotate the fence to the right spot, let the pin down into the correct hole and then tighten the bolts.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartNow I want to make some miter cuts to test it!
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksI have more info, mostly in favor of the EVO. I sent an email to Jim Wright (Jimbo's Garage) asking about the Fein in regard to the pin settings for the miter on the EVO.He said it was funny I asked, that those pin settings were one of the things he was really enjoying on the EVO. The Fein doesn't have those type of settings for the miter. He also said the extra 1" doesn't sound like a lot but it seems HUGE, even though they ship it with a 14" blade.The one downside to the EVO is he mentioned it's a lot noisier than the Fein.I'm not sure he helped me as I was hoping the Fein has some type of pin settings for the miter, although he said both saws are nice and most people would be happy with either of them. He agreed, being able to go between 90 and 45 degrees quickly is a really useful feature. Now I'm stuck, the EVO S380CPS seems like the saw to buy, but there aren't any in stock and no projected ETA or even if they will be available again. Must be due to the Wuhan plague and/or Trade war we seem to be headed into with China. In that regard it seems nice that the EVO blades are made in Japan.
Reply:Here's a shot of the pin setup for the fence....before I broke it.  I have a set of rollers next to the saw that are the correct height...I'm going to clean them up and mount the saw and rollers on a table soon.Check out my bench vise website:  http://mivise.comMiller Syncrowave 250DXMillermatic 350P with XR AlumaProMiller Regency 200 with 22A feeder and Spoolmatic 3Hobart Champion EliteEverlast PowerTig 210EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartMinor update....I'm an idiot.
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksI like that setup, that is the piece I wasn't able to understand in the past...thanks for posting the pic. I like the idea of the rollers at the saw. Do you have them on each side so you can move long stock around? I've been thinking I could adapt some mounts to a saw like this to use my DeWalt portable chop saw stand. Would be nice to just toss the saw on the stand and be good to go in a few minutes, setting up anywhere. I can get an extra set of mounts for about $50 that will attach to the stand.
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartI'm surprised they're out of stock, but it could be fallout from the COVID-19 situation.  I know there was no sign of a shortage a few weeks ago when I ordered mine, so something must have caused the shortage.
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksI think they've been out of stock for at least a month. On the Amazon page it says:"Currently unavailable.We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."I've sent questions asking for an ETA, they seem to delete them and not answer. That part doesn't say much for their business practice, certainly no similarity in you being able to get replacement parts in 4 days. Makes me somewhat skeptical about buying product from them.Could be worse, could be a hack saw...
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartThey shipped the part the day after I ordered it, and I got it in 4 days, so they pulled through.  I looked around at other websites and some showed they would be back in stock in late June.
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworksWhat is an Evolution problem is that I sent 2 questions that were posted on the Amazon site but the next day they were removed, 2 different questions posted about a week apart, neither are there anymore. Also, they didn't respond to me at all in an email. That makes a statement for the type of company they may be. Call me a skeptic, but I'm gun shy to pull the trigger with a company that has that type of business practice. I'll keep my eyes open, been checking on Amazon...but so far nothing...and as I mentioned, a bit of a bad taste in my mouth over them removing my questions I've posted and not gotten back to me...
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartThe e-mail I can't speak to, but asking questions about product availability in the questions section on Amazon is almost certainly going to be removed.  That's not a product detail question and I doubt many companies would be willing to post a date for a number of reasons.
Reply:I also have the Evolution S380CPS.  It has the steel blade on it.   I was wondering if you've ever tried cutting aluminum with the steel blade.  Or do you think I should by the aluminum blade?  Do you aluminum could damage the steel blade?
Reply:Originally Posted by G-ManBartThe e-mail I can't speak to, but asking questions about product availability in the questions section on Amazon is almost certainly going to be removed.  That's not a product detail question and I doubt many companies would be willing to post a date for a number of reasons.
Reply:Originally Posted by ktechI also have the Evolution S380CPS.  It has the steel blade on it.   I was wondering if you've ever tried cutting aluminum with the steel blade.  Or do you think I should by the aluminum blade?  Do you aluminum could damage the steel blade?
Reply:Originally Posted by TraditionalToolworks...You can cut aluminum on a high speed saw, even a high speed wood chop saw will cut aluminum with ease, or a table saw, it cuts very easy.
Reply:Just came from W.D. Quinn shop. Very professional!!!  Dropped off my evolution ferrous blade for a tune up. Thanks for the tip OscarGeezerPower Mig 255C185 TIGBlue 175 MIGRanger 8 Kohler 20HP1974 5K Lincoln/Wisconsin Powered (Cherry)Victor/Harris O/AK 487 Spool Gun
Reply:I've found that any shop that can sharpen carbide blades for wood does just fine on my evolution blades.MillerMatic 252, HTP 221 w/cooler, Hypertherm PM45, Lincoln IdealArc 250 AC/DC"I'd like to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible"
Reply:Originally Posted by geezerJust came from W.D. Quinn shop. Very professional!!!  Dropped off my evolution ferrous blade for a tune up. Thanks for the tip Oscar
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarYup, I'll be sending my blades there from now on.  I just have to make sure I send more than 1 at a time to save on shipping.
Reply:Got my blade back. Replaced a couple of tips and sharpened. Lady I talked to married in to 5th generation. Cut .125 material like butter. Heavier stuff tomorrow. Good job W.D. Quinn.GeezerPower Mig 255C185 TIGBlue 175 MIGRanger 8 Kohler 20HP1974 5K Lincoln/Wisconsin Powered (Cherry)Victor/Harris O/AK 487 Spool Gun
Reply:Originally Posted by geezerGot my blade back. Replaced a couple of tips and sharpened. Lady I talked to married in to 5th generation. Cut .125 material like butter. Heavier stuff tomorrow. Good job W.D. Quinn.