Lincwelder DC 180 fires 1 crank but carb is out of wack & so is the governor Help

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So my first thread i put in "introduce yourself" by mistake Oops Sorry: But I Got The Wisconson TFD Firing just like when i got it last month 1 crank & Vroom the Wilco Magneto is a beast! but as it's cleared it's throat & ungunked itself, the idle was very high but it's creeped up Higher & it stinks like it's rich. I tried to lower the idle via idle screw but it will not sit down & fully return if i try to make it the governor says nope & revs itself high & levels off, I know now I need to adjust that governor to throttle rod but i can't tell which way longer or shorter?... the thing sits at half throttle till it starts then it rotates down on it's own immediately & I just don't understand if i pull that cotter pin and spin it, do I make it shorter or longer? It's going to destroy itself,  It welds but I don't dare to weld with it till it has a base tune (I'm just learning carbs) it does seem like it must have had starting issues & they turned the idle up & they broke the Throttle control / twist lock & the chain rusted off I bought New & fixed both....when i get it just a little below it's current idle it bogs If i leave it it runs great & i can rev it a little but there isn't much left in the throttle to go, Help wanted.Lincwelder 180AsCommunists have the highest body count in history and yet they are all over TV and politics.
Reply:Have you torn apart the carburetor and cleaned it really well? They usually have some pretty small holes that can get stuff stuck in them so make sure they have all been cleared out. Also make sure you're getting a good spark, I would replace the plugs because they are cheap and easy.  How are you setting idle speed?Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:I PMed him for his email add and I'll send him the engine manual.Ol' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugHave you torn apart the carburetor and cleaned it really well? They usually have some pretty small holes that can get stuff stuck in them so make sure they have all been cleared out. Also make sure you're getting a good spark, I would replace the plugs because they are cheap and easy.  How are you setting idle speed?
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusI PMed him for his email add and I'll send him the engine manual.
Reply:You need to get a carb kit so you have new parts, then pull the carb, disassemble it and soak it lacquer thinner or GOOD carb cleaner, use a set of torch tip cleaners or a 61-80 number drill set with a pin vise to make sure all the tiny fuel passages and air bleeds are clean and open, this must be verified with clean air and a needle set of blow gun tips if you can find them, I did the carb on a Yamaha ATV a few years ago & it too several removals, cleanigs and reinstallations before I got it clean, if you can find a new/rebuilt carb it may be worth it, the carb I did was not available. Check AMAZON for replacements.IMPEACH BIDEN!NRA LIFE MEMBERUNITWELD 175 AMP 3 IN1 DCMIDSTATES 300 AMP AC MACHINEGOD HELP AMERICA!“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream".RONALD REAGAN
Reply:Originally Posted by CAVEMANNYou need to get a carb kit so you have new parts, then pull the carb, disassemble it and soak it lacquer thinner or GOOD carb cleaner, use a set of torch tip cleaners or a 61-80 number drill set with a pin vise to make sure all the tiny fuel passages and air bleeds are clean and open, this must be verified with clean air and a needle set of blow gun tips if you can find them, I did the carb on a Yamaha ATV a few years ago & it too several removals, cleanigs and reinstallations before I got it clean, if you can find a new/rebuilt carb it may be worth it, the carb I did was not available. Check AMAZON for replacements.
Reply:That carb is pretty simple. As long as the float and needle and seat are OK it probably doesn't need a kit. Mine was varnished when I got and soaked it overnite in seafoam and it cleaned up nice and worked fine ever since.  Does the data tag on the generator/welder have the RPM stamped on it?Last edited by mla2ofus; 1 Week Ago at 09:26 PM.Ol' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:A couple of things, yes clean your carb. On that tach, you might want to go with a non contact tach. I bought one of the cheap tachs that pick up the trigger pulse from the spark plug wire and it simply will not work correctly with that magnito, it works great on lawn mowers so it is not a complete loss. As you did not show the work end of the welder I can't tell if you have a data plate there or not, but on my 1954 180 DC AS the data plate describes approximate amps settings at different speeds as the rpm's control the amps. How ever with out any tach it is always an approximate start point and adjust the throttle as needed. I am not sure which manual you have but if you need something more I do have a Wisconsin repair manual that covers the TJD, THD, TH that I could email you if you need it. Good luck with your welder and I hope you enjoy using it as much as I do mine.
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusThat carb is pretty simple. As long as the float and needle and seat are OK it probably doesn't need a kit. Mine was varnished when I got and soaked it overnite in seafoam and it cleaned up nice and worked fine ever since.  Does the data tag on the generator/welder have the RPM stamped on it?
Reply:Originally Posted by J. D.A couple of things, yes clean your carb. On that tach, you might want to go with a non contact tach. I bought one of the cheap tachs that pick up the trigger pulse from the spark plug wire and it simply will not work correctly with that magnito, it works great on lawn mowers so it is not a complete loss. As you did not show the work end of the welder I can't tell if you have a data plate there or not, but on my 1954 180 DC AS the data plate describes approximate amps settings at different speeds as the rpm's control the amps. How ever with out any tach it is always an approximate start point and adjust the throttle as needed. I am not sure which manual you have but if you need something more I do have a Wisconsin repair manual that covers the TJD, THD, TH that I could email you if you need it. Good luck with your welder and I hope you enjoy using it as much as I do mine.
Reply:I had 2 of these on my throttle one was for high idle & one was moved all the way to the end of the throttle shaft I suspect as an indicator for A/B/C ranges? I have the little indicator plate & angel bracket for mine, one the set screw was stripped I used a dremel & a cutting wheel to remove it but they are called "Shaft collars with a set screw" I had one in the garage same inner diameter i think it was 1/4in  https://www.grainger.com/product/CLI...-Collar-29NW41  Lincwelder 180AsCommunists have the highest body count in history and yet they are all over TV and politics.
Reply:Originally Posted by John BaptistI tried to use the idle screw but the rod from the throttle to the governor is set too short or too long? I don't know which way to turn it so when i back down the idle screw and it's running it fully returns to a lower idle, that 2 millimetres if i even press it to full return the governor pulls it back higher, it looks like they took it off & screwed it way in to hold a higher idle?( lots of threads used) I have not torn the carb down yet just carb sprayed it. the Wilco magneto shoots huge blue sparks off the wire ends if i pull them, I still need to pull the spark plugs & check them & check compression
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugIf the carb is dirty then adjusting the idle screw isn't going to do much. I would start with pulling it apart and soaking it. Order a rebuild kit after you get it apart if you need one
Reply:I went through about the same thing with my Onan P218 on a Miller. I tore it down and cleaned the carb several times, I was sure I got all the passages. It would run fine if the choke was cracked, but otherwise no improvement. I must have missed something. I didn't buy a rebuild kit, they are very expensive, and if its a passage I missed, I would still be in the same boat.I did a search, and there are lots of Chinese knockoffs, starting at a price that was half a rebuild kit. I bought a Kipa off of Amazon, and it runs like a new machine. It was a perfect fit, didn't have to adjust anything. You might do a search of yours.Miller Dialarc 250Hobart 140HTP 220 MTSMiller Legend AEAD 200LE  Gas drive
Reply:Originally Posted by KenOI went through about the same thing with my Onan P218 on a Miller. I tore it down and cleaned the carb several times, I was sure I got all the passages. It would run fine if the choke was cracked, but otherwise no improvement. I must have missed something. I didn't buy a rebuild kit, they are very expensive, and if its a passage I missed, I would still be in the same boat.I did a search, and there are lots of Chinese knockoffs, starting at a price that was half a rebuild kit. I bought a Kipa off of Amazon, and it runs like a new machine. It was a perfect fit, didn't have to adjust anything. You might do a search of yours.
Reply:Does that machine have a fuel pump? If it does then I would clean the gas tank and install a fuel filter. Since you think it's not sparking every time like it should then you need to figure that part out. Check any wire connections from the spark plugs back, loose connections or dirty connections could be the issue. And of course make sure battery connections are clan and tight and that it has a good charge.When you rebuild the carburetor it's a good time to replace fuel lines and clean the tank so that you know you're getting fuel like it needs.Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:Before you alter all the settings and search for gremlins completely disassemble and clean the carb thoroughly as has been suggested. I believe your problem lies within. Something has junk in it.