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Okay, one more time for the slow learners. I have a Amico ARC-160 Stick Welder (IGBT Inverter 120/230v. duty cycle is 80% @ 160A). I want to wire a receptacle to my outdoor garage panel. Ive read all kinds of confusing information out on the web. I do not wish to use it as a 120v machine. Here is my Home Depot shopping list:Surface mount receptacle will be mounted directly under panel and be enclosed in a cavity wall, covered with paneling.50amp double pole single outlet surface mount receptacle#6/2 Romex to run from receptacle to panelUse brown and black wire for hotUse white wire as ground with marker tapeInstall Homeline 50amp 2-pole breaker in box (Hom250cp)Is this a safe install?
Reply:Sounds good to me."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:The "surface mount" and "enclosed in a wall cavity" part is confusing.Century buzzbox that I learned on 40+ years ago (was Dad's)Crappy Century 110volt mig 70 amp pigeon pooper.Lincoln Idealarc TIG-300
Reply:If you are using #6-2 romex the colors will be black and white for hot and bare copper for ground!
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Originally Posted by rexcormack
If you are using #6-2 romex the colors will be black and white for hot and bare copper for ground!
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Originally Posted by blocks5757
Okay, one more time for the slow learners. I have a Amico ARC-160 Stick Welder (IGBT Inverter 120/230v. duty cycle is 80% @ 160A). I want to wire a receptacle to my outdoor garage panel. I’ve read all kinds of confusing information out on the web. I do not wish to use it as a 120v machine. Here is my Home Depot shopping list:Surface mount receptacle will be mounted directly under panel and be enclosed in a cavity wall, covered with paneling. A surface mount is one that sits on top of the wall surface, a flush mount goes into the wall50amp double pole single outlet surface mount receptacle#6/2 Romex to run from receptacle to panelUse brown and black wire for hot As mentioned, Romex colors will be black and white with bare copper ground, use the insulated wires for the power and the bare copper for the ground.Use white wire as ground with marker tapeInstall Homeline 50amp 2-pole breaker in box (Hom250cp)Is this a safe install?
Reply:Wiring for a stick welder is pretty straight foward. I like to attach the work lead to the work, the put the electrode in the stingy bit.
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Originally Posted by blocks5757
Okay, one more time for the slow learners. I have a Amico ARC-160 Stick Welder (IGBT Inverter 120/230v. duty cycle is 80% @ 160A). I want to wire a receptacle to my outdoor garage panel. Ive read all kinds of confusing information out on the web. I do not wish to use it as a 120v machine. Here is my Home Depot shopping list:Surface mount receptacle will be mounted directly under panel and be enclosed in a cavity wall, covered with paneling.50amp double pole single outlet surface mount receptacle#6/2 Romex to run from receptacle to panelUse brown and black wire for hotUse white wire as ground with marker tapeInstall Homeline 50amp 2-pole breaker in box (Hom250cp)Is this a safe install?
Reply:I like 50 amp range plug found at most hardware stores and use on most stoves. Low cost and easy to find.Dave
Originally Posted by blocks5757
Okay, one more time for the slow learners. I have a Amico ARC-160 Stick Welder (IGBT Inverter 120/230v. duty cycle is 80% @ 160A). I want to wire a receptacle to my outdoor garage panel. Ive read all kinds of confusing information out on the web. I do not wish to use it as a 120v machine. Here is my Home Depot shopping list:Surface mount receptacle will be mounted directly under panel and be enclosed in a cavity wall, covered with paneling.50amp double pole single outlet surface mount receptacle#6/2 Romex to run from receptacle to panelUse brown and black wire for hotUse white wire as ground with marker tapeInstall Homeline 50amp 2-pole breaker in box (Hom250cp)Is this a safe install?
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Originally Posted by blocks5757
Okay, one more time for the slow learners. I have a Amico ARC-160 Stick Welder (IGBT Inverter 120/230v. duty cycle is 80% @ 160A). I want to wire a receptacle to my outdoor garage panel. Ive read all kinds of confusing information out on the web. I do not wish to use it as a 120v machine. Here is my Home Depot shopping list:Surface mount receptacle will be mounted directly under panel and be enclosed in a cavity wall, covered with paneling.50amp double pole single outlet surface mount receptacle#6/2 Romex to run from receptacle to panelUse brown and black wire for hotUse white wire as ground with marker tapeInstall Homeline 50amp 2-pole breaker in box (Hom250cp)Is this a safe install?
Reply:When have put in plugs for welders I used 50 amp plug then it easy to upgrade later.Dave
Originally Posted by Jack Ryan
If I have the correct machine, its rated input at 230V is 23A so you have plenty of head room.Also, the duty cycle is 40% @ 160A.Jack
Reply:https://www.amicoelectric.com/produc...014-e7018-etc/80% duty cycle230V/6.7KVA/29.3ASpecifications:Model: ARC-160Rated Input Voltage: AC 100~250VFrequency: 50Hz & 60HzRated Input Power: 230V/6.7KVA/29.3A & 115V/4.7KVA/41ACurrent Range: 230V/ 5-160A & 115V/ 5-130AForce Current: 0-50 Amp & 0-10 AmpRated Duty Cycle: 230V/ 80%@160A & 115V/ 80%@130ANominal DC Open Circuit Voltage: 85-VoltUsable Electrode: 230V/ 1/16~ 5/32 in. & 115V/ 1/16~ 1/8 in.Power Factor: 0.93Dimension: 14.1 x 6.2 x 11.3 in.Net Weight: 13.0 lbs.Packaging Size: 17.9 x 9.5 x 12.4 in.Packaging Weight: 18.5 lbs.
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Originally Posted by danielplace
https://www.amicoelectric.com/produc...014-e7018-etc/80% duty cycle230V/6.7KVA/29.3ASpecifications:Model: ARC-160Rated Input Voltage: AC 100~250VFrequency: 50Hz & 60HzRated Input Power: 230V/6.7KVA/29.3A & 115V/4.7KVA/41ACurrent Range: 230V/ 5-160A & 115V/ 5-130AForce Current: 0-50 Amp & 0-10 AmpRated Duty Cycle: 230V/ 80%@160A & 115V/ 80%@130ANominal DC Open Circuit Voltage: 85-VoltUsable Electrode: 230V/ 1/16~ 5/32 in. & 115V/ 1/16~ 1/8 in.Power Factor: 0.93Dimension: 14.1 x 6.2 x 11.3 in.Net Weight: 13.0 lbs.Packaging Size: 17.9 x 9.5 x 12.4 in.Packaging Weight: 18.5 lbs.
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Originally Posted by Jack Ryan
OK, sorry. It is a different model ARC 160 and I wasn't able to locate a manual for yours.Jack
Reply:Cause its made mostly with toaster parts and cost 200 while a Dynasty cost several thousand. Look at the "115" rating, 130 out at 80. Take a Maxstar, the very best, about 105 or so before it trips up a 20, rated 30% I would almost bet that wouldnt burn a 1/8 lohy without tripping up.Last edited by Sberry; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:08 AM.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Sounds great on paper 📄. But problem most over look is starting stick weld needs high amperage like motor needs. This why you a higher amp breaker for stick welders. Some try using a dryer plug at 30 amps but either you have cold weld or the breaker flips.Dave
Originally Posted by danielplace
https://www.amicoelectric.com/produc...014-e7018-etc/80% duty cycle230V/6.7KVA/29.3ASpecifications:Model: ARC-160Rated Input Voltage: AC 100~250VFrequency: 50Hz & 60HzRated Input Power: 230V/6.7KVA/29.3A & 115V/4.7KVA/41ACurrent Range: 230V/ 5-160A & 115V/ 5-130AForce Current: 0-50 Amp & 0-10 AmpRated Duty Cycle: 230V/ 80%@160A & 115V/ 80%@130ANominal DC Open Circuit Voltage: 85-VoltUsable Electrode: 230V/ 1/16~ 5/32 in. & 115V/ 1/16~ 1/8 in.Power Factor: 0.93Dimension: 14.1 x 6.2 x 11.3 in.Net Weight: 13.0 lbs.Packaging Size: 17.9 x 9.5 x 12.4 in.Packaging Weight: 18.5 lbs.
Reply:That guy in the vid will find out how well that 30 works if he tries to do real work with that buzzer, wait till he put a 7018 on it.www.urkafarms.com
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Originally Posted by danielplace
Jack,That is a lot of input on 240. It is within a few amps of what my Dynasty 280 uses. Not sure why it is pulling almost 30 amps at only 160 amp of output power.
Reply:That would glow at 80%. But Dave, a range plug isnt really a welder plug. It could be wired right but they are different, range does not have a yoke ground. I still have a couple I did when I was a kid I need to change back. Installed in metal boxes so its all grounded, jumper or wire back to panel but not really a listed app. The code is trying to phase them out. Even in places they are allowed if we are working on remod it gets a new wire and even new cord if we got to change it. Did 2 fairly recent, 1 on a house I own. I look at the dryer, had been installed from some appliance place. Thy didnt bother with a cable clamp, pulled it thru sheet metal hole and didnt install bond as I recall, went yikes. This is so common we wont even plug them in without looking at the connection in the machine.Last edited by Sberry; 2 Weeks Ago at 12:41 PM.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Regardless of all this we got Scott, one of the top testers around as best I can recall said he bought a couple and they run 95 on low and 120 on hi. I believe this was the model. Said, super cheap and you were plug and play welding.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:On the Southwire's website, #6/2 Romex looks like black,white and a insulated brown wire for ground. #6/2 Romex from home depot is white, black and bare ground.
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Originally Posted by blocks5757
On the Southwire's website, #6/2 Romex looks like black,white and a insulated brown wire for ground. #6/2 Romex from home depot is white, black and bare ground.
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Originally Posted by blocks5757
On the Southwire's website, #6/2 Romex looks like black,white and a insulated brown wire for ground. #6/2 Romex from home depot is white, black and bare ground.
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Originally Posted by danielplace
Jack,That is a lot of input on 240. It is within a few amps of what my Dynasty 280 uses. Not sure why it is pulling almost 30 amps at only 160 amp of output power.
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Originally Posted by Oscar
Stick welding needs higher voltage for a given welding amperage compared to TIG, so it needs more power from the wall as a result. That and it just won't be as efficient as a top of the line inverter welder that costs an order of magnitude greater.
Originally Posted by Jack Ryan
I had assumed we were comparing MMA on different welding machines. It is a bit more than mine draw and significantly more than anything that is power factor corrected.I just checked a Dynasty 280 manual and the mains current draw is about the same (single phase, 230 volts, 160A). The power factor doesn't seem to be listed.Jack
Reply:Its looks like its quite a bit more thrifty than the Hobart CI, seems that was 43A maybe for 200.www.urkafarms.com
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Originally Posted by danielplace
Here is specs on the new 300 which is about the same and 32 amps of input gives you 200 amps of stick welding power. So 2 more amps gives you 25% more power.Not even sure of the accuracy of the specs on that 160. 80% duty cycle seems a bit far fetched when $10,000 machine may not be or barely be that high at 160 amps anyhow. |
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