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Which is the best brand for carbon steel and stainless steel electrodes. When I go to Amazon, Forney comes ahead. I cannot see Lincoln, Hobart, Esab reviews.
Reply:Best welding properties? Value?
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Reply:I use a lot of ESAB Atom Arc, and Lincoln Excalibur. Hobart is good, McKay was my favorite. I do not weld with Blue Demon."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!
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Reply:There’s a lot of personal opinion and perception involved.I see Lincoln Excalibur and 5p+ as “running better” thanany other 7018 or 6010 I’ve used.I like Hobart 6011 and 6013 for value.Others will have a very different take on this.I don’t think I would pay much attention tostick electrode reviews.Miller a/c-d/c Thunderbolt XLMillermatic 180 Purox O/ASmith Littletorch O/AHobart Champion Elite
Reply:If buy rod and wire like did, It had to meet AWS SPEC and best price. If you buying 10 pounds at time you could find a rod you happy. But you try them and find one you like.Dave
Originally Posted by saf
Which is the best brand for carbon steel and stainless steel electrodes. When I go to Amazon, Forney comes ahead. I cannot see Lincoln, Hobart, Esab reviews.
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Originally Posted by jpump5
There’s a lot of personal opinion and perception involved.I see Lincoln Excalibur and 5p+ as “running better” thanany other 7018 or 6010 I’ve used.I like Hobart 6011 and 6013 for value.Others will have a very different take on this.I don’t think I would pay much attention tostick electrode reviews.
Reply:Oscar,Great idea! Please include a box of Home Depot 7018 and add it to the test mix - just for comparison.Could you try to compare fresh opened from a sealed container to an old, opened container? (for hobby use, that is not code/inspected)3/32 inch and 1/8 inch rods - I would guess these are the most commonly used for general work.Because we are talking low hydrogen, would it make sense to try a few tests on high carbon steel? 1040 or 1045? just to see from a hobby perspective what low hydrogen really means to us.Yes, I really like this idea. How can I help?Geoff
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Originally Posted by saf
Which is the best brand for carbon steel and stainless steel electrodes. When I go to Amazon, Forney comes ahead. I cannot see Lincoln, Hobart, Esab reviews.
Reply:I like the idea of the rod shoot out, but how many different welders are you going to try them on, how many different metals, how many different heat ranges? I'm still in favor, but I think you'll find most rods have a sweet spot that will work well for a particular application, that some people may not have a need for...The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by ToolFanGeoff
Oscar,Great idea! Please include a box of Home Depot 7018 and add it to the test mix - just for comparison.Could you try to compare fresh opened from a sealed container to an old, opened container? (for hobby use, that is not code/inspected)3/32 inch and 1/8 inch rods - I would guess these are the most commonly used for general work.Because we are talking low hydrogen, would it make sense to try a few tests on high carbon steel? 1040 or 1045? just to see from a hobby perspective what low hydrogen really means to us.Yes, I really like this idea. How can I help?Geoff
Reply:I was just thinking about those Chinese 7018 AC's I had... I was ready to throw them out with the AC machines, but when I went DC they weren't that bad. Might even pick up some more of them for non-critical welding if they are on sale cheap.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:HAve the answer to this one, the absolute best, I mean hands down none better, and I don’t think we’ll hardly anyone here will argue. But the the best ones are the best money can buy that you don’t have have to order, go look for, or have to pay for. Do realize sometimes free ain’t cheap, but if your boss buys them, pays a helper to load them on your truck, pays you to burn em those are the best.Retired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Evolution 14 Saw
Reply:Mostly what is accessible. I can make some adjustment if a rod doesnt run as well as another. However, I would like to be able to acquire the rod readily and locally. I dont stock pile common steel welding rod. I do collect more expensive rod when I find a deal. Nickel and stainless even aluminum rods. If you are learning, you can go through 10 lbs in a day or 2.
Reply:Ive welded with Lincoln, ESAB, Hobart, Boholer (spelled wrong) basically what ever my LWS has and if there in good condition I can tell the difference.We've done so much, for so long, with so little. Were now qualified to do anything with nothing !
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Originally Posted by saf
Which is the best brand for carbon steel and stainless steel electrodes. When I go to Amazon, Forney comes ahead. I cannot see Lincoln, Hobart, Esab reviews.
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Originally Posted by saf
Which is the best brand for carbon steel and stainless steel electrodes. When I go to Amazon, Forney comes ahead. I cannot see Lincoln, Hobart, Esab reviews.
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Originally Posted by Oscar
What if I did the ultimate E7018 showdown with more than 6 brands and documented it here?
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Originally Posted by old miner called Pop
Thats like the argument what truck is the best..Ford? Chevy? Dodge? They are all good when they work and they all suck canal water when they dont.As far as the best weld rod or weld wire...just like the argument about the best truck its a matter of personal opinion. To me a rod is a rod and they all work well, some you have to run your weld machine a little hotter or colder, but I can always make them work to do what I need to do. I dont worry about the brand and I dont do any code work anymore and noone is xraying my welds on these buckets so it really aint a problem.Find a rod what works for you and keep getting them or do like I do use what you can get and deal with it
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Originally Posted by jpump5
I’d be more inclined to trust the results of your showdown thanmost of the “reviews “ I see, but there’s still a lot of variables.
Reply:Definitely Harbor Freight
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Reply:The problem with testing the rebranded boxes is that I don't believe they are consistent. I don't know for sure, but I think they will contract a company in China to do a run for x number of weeks, and they or may not be the low bid for the next run. I know up here with Princess Auto the brand name seems to change quite frequently for the cheap Chinese rods, and I suspect the suppliers change as well.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
The problem with testing the rebranded boxes is that I don't believe they are consistent. I don't know for sure, but I think they will contract a company in China to do a run for x number of weeks, and they or may not be the low bid for the next run. I know up here with Princess Auto the brand name seems to change quite frequently for the cheap Chinese rods, and I suspect the suppliers change as well.
Reply:Can you buy 50 pound [22.7 kg] boxes from Princess Auto. I think biggest tube from Harbor Freight is 2 pounds. About $3.50 a pound.Dave
Originally Posted by whtbaron
The problem with testing the rebranded boxes is that I don't believe they are consistent. I don't know for sure, but I think they will contract a company in China to do a run for x number of weeks, and they or may not be the low bid for the next run. I know up here with Princess Auto the brand name seems to change quite frequently for the cheap Chinese rods, and I suspect the suppliers change as well.
Reply:I haven't noticed anything over 10 lbs.... usually it's 5 or 10lb packages with some of the specialty rods down around 2 lbs. I see the last catalog didn't even list them , probably because Covid pricing was making them too unpredictable. They usually have a good selection of Hobarts as well as the Chinese brands...The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by smithdoor
Can you buy 50 pound [22.7 kg] boxes from Princess Auto. I think biggest tube from Harbor Freight is 2 pounds. About $3.50 a pound.Davehttps://www.harborfreight.com/weldin...ding-rods.htmlLooks like they're carrying 2lb tubes of Vulcan rods now. I've shared this coupon a times on here. No expiration date. 20% off all "accessories" including consumables, torches, foot pedals, cabinets, and helmets. https://www.hfqpdb.com/view_coupon/11176
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Reply:Harbor Freight for 50 pounds cost $200.00 Walmart sells 50 pound can for $156.00. Dave
Originally Posted by 52 Ford
https://www.harborfreight.com/weldin...ding-rods.htmlLooks like they're carrying 2lb tubes of Vulcan rods now. I've shared this coupon a times on here. No expiration date. 20% off all "accessories" including consumables, torches, foot pedals, cabinets, and helmets. https://www.hfqpdb.com/view_coupon/11176
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Originally Posted by smithdoor
Harbor Freight for 50 pounds cost $200.00 Walmart sells 50 pound can for $156.00. Dave
Reply:Ok it is $145.00 for 60 pounds.https://www.bing.com/aclick?ld=e861n...2f00ecf3356433Dave
Originally Posted by whtbaron
What brand can you get at Walmart? All I can find under Walmart Canada is carbon rods for gouging, but the descriptions are so bad I'm not really sure what they are....https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Electro...RD2F7A3ZR3U114
Reply:And that;s 60 lbs...Dug out my 2021 Princess Auto catalog and they did list 25 lbs. of Hobart 7018;s for $129.99 Cdn.Powerweld (Chinesium) 7018's were 15.99 for 4.6 lbs. (2 kg) or $3.48/lb. 60 lbs would cost $208.80 Cdn.Not sure what the new prices are.Last edited by whtbaron; 1 Week Ago at 11:49 PM.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
And that;s 60 lbs...
Reply:Best I could find at Walmart.Ca. was 10 lbs if 1/8" Forney 7018 for $51.19 Cdn... not much of a deal.https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/1-8-10l...s/10TCLC505F2WThe harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:I agreeI can you buy from America Walmart or just Canada Walmart. Dave
Originally Posted by whtbaron
Best I could find at Walmart.Ca. was 10 lbs if 1/8" Forney 7018 for $51.19 Cdn... not much of a deal.https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/1-8-10l...s/10TCLC505F2W
Reply:I might be able to do it if I had them shipped to an American PO and brought them across myself, but there's still exchange, duty, and the annoying jerks at the border.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
I might be able to do it if I had them shipped to an American PO and brought them across myself, but there's still exchange, duty, and the annoying jerks at the border.
Reply:Sounds like pain.Dave
Originally Posted by whtbaron
I might be able to do it if I had them shipped to an American PO and brought them across myself, but there's still exchange, duty, and the annoying jerks at the border.
Reply:That all sounds like too much trouble confusion drama and bull**** for a box of weld rods, then figure in the added cost with imported stuff transportation and whatnot. No thanks, I'll just get what I need where I can find it. Joe supplies all that stuff anyway and if I pick up a side job on my own I just pay him for what I need
Reply:It is a hassle... and if they only have 6013 I really don't use enough of it to keep 60 lbs around. 10 lbs will last well over a year usually. No covid testing now, but you still need to fill out the Arrive-Can forms before departure... just another pain. Cost wise it wouldn't be bad... I can play the farmer card to avoid most of the taxes (more forms to fill out) and make the round trip in less than 2 hrs, but if anything messes up, forget returns. Like Pop, I would just as soon support a local supplier as Walmart and you're still buying with a .76 cent dollar.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
It is a hassle... and if they only have 6013 I really don't use enough of it to keep 60 lbs around. 10 lbs will last well over a year usually. No covid testing now, but you still need to fill out the Arrive-Can forms before departure... just another pain. Cost wise it wouldn't be bad... I can play the farmer card to avoid most of the taxes (more forms to fill out) and make the round trip in less than 2 hrs, but if anything messes up, forget returns. Like Pop, I would just as soon support a local supplier as Walmart and you're still buying with a .76 cent dollar.
Reply:I agree. Mostly what use stick after 1980 was field work or hard facing. I do like E6013 for filling holes other welders holes in gauge metal made when I using stick before 1980.Dave
Originally Posted by old miner called Pop
I dont use 6013 anyway, and as far as that goes I dont do a whole lot of stick welding, its mostly self shielded flux core. The only stick welding I do is on the booms or on real dirty or thin stuff where the wire wont work too good, even then once I get a root in it I usually hook up the wire feeder and go to town with it.I like the idea of giving the local guy the busness as well, and I avoid Wal-Mart if at all possible, I dont like the way they operate and treat the people they have workin for them or the way they treat the customer. But thats just me bein a cranky old as&*^le
Reply:I usually buy electrodes from my local steel supplier because they are 2 miles from my house and it saves me driving 15 miles to my LWS and they never seem to stock the same brand twice. I have used Fourney, US Forge, Washington Alloy, Hobart and Hyundai 7018. In my limited experience, they all seemed to weld fine. The only electrodes I have had problems with are Lincoln 7018 AC. I bought 5 sealed boxes that were on the bargain table at the big box store for $2 each along with 2 boxes of 6011. They have problems with porosity and I have trouble seeing the puddle under the slag when welding flat. I thought that maybe it was just one bad lot, but other people have had the same problems. I just use them for practicing vertical up.
Reply:When doing a lot weld I would buy over 250 pounds of fluxcore for a good price the next jump was 2,000 and not mush different on price. I did want over a 30 day supply because of paper work rod. Most here do not even know paper trail need for some types of work. I would keep over 500 pounds of rod just case of shortages. The only down side was most welders was not train in using stick. Today you will find most trade schools are not training is stick welding. Some trade schools only train in mig and tig not even fluxcore. Most construction uses gas less fluxcore today.Dave
Originally Posted by Bradley256
I usually buy electrodes from my local steel supplier because they are 2 miles from my house and it saves me driving 15 miles to my LWS and they never seem to stock the same brand twice. I have used Fourney, US Forge, Washington Alloy, Hobart and Hyundai 7018. In my limited experience, they all seemed to weld fine. The only electrodes I have had problems with are Lincoln 7018 AC. I bought 5 sealed boxes that were on the bargain table at the big box store for $2 each along with 2 boxes of 6011. They have problems with porosity and I have trouble seeing the puddle under the slag when welding flat. I thought that maybe it was just one bad lot, but other people have had the same problems. I just use them for practicing vertical up.
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Originally Posted by 52 Ford
https://www.harborfreight.com/weldin...ding-rods.htmlLooks like they're carrying 2lb tubes of Vulcan rods now. I've shared this coupon a times on here. No expiration date. 20% off all "accessories" including consumables, torches, foot pedals, cabinets, and helmets. https://www.hfqpdb.com/view_coupon/11176
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Reply:I like the 3/32 Vulcan 6011 I got. It seems to have a pretty thick flux coating on it so it doesn't flop around. The stuff I got at the Linde had a real thin coating and would wiggle around a lot like 1/16 rod. To the point I thought I had accidently bought 1/16 rod. Can't remember the brand, green box with white label.Airco Auto-Pak 130Forney 235AC/DC
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Originally Posted by Roert42
I like the 3/32 Vulcan 6011 I got. It seems to have a pretty thick flux coating on it so it doesn't flop around. The stuff I got at the Linde had a real thin coating and would wiggle around a lot like 1/16 rod. To the point I thought I had accidently bought 1/16 rod. Can't remember the brand, green box with white label.
Reply:harbor freight 6013 I got once can pull a longer arc length than other brands, probably made to run better on low ocv welding machines.it can be annoying to be able to pull a 3/4"or longer arc, that is harder get the arc to go out and leaves more arc marks and pin hole porosityfrom longer duration long arc (not enough shielding for hot metal). my machine is not a low ocv machine..in my experience I got sucked into the welding rod cheaper by the 50lb can thing even buying plastic 10lb dry rod containers to hold the rod.then want different sizes and type of welding rod, before you know it got easily over 1000 lbs of welding rod. after 30 years a lot got thrown out.my experience better to buy rod 5 or 10 lbs at a time and when get low then buy 5 lbs more. at home be lucky to use 10lbs of welding rod a yearwelding maybe 100 or 200 lbs of stuff. unless your a professional welding over a ton per week and thus using maybe 30 to 50 lbs of rod per weekI would stick to buying less rod thats not old..literally welding rod thats 20 to 40 years old usually doesn't matter what brand of welding rod, very old welding rod goes bad like most things.bad enough buying 10 lbs of welding rod and it taking a whole year to use it at end of year its getting old
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
It is a hassle... and if they only have 6013 I really don't use enough of it to keep 60 lbs around. 10 lbs will last well over a year usually. No covid testing now, but you still need to fill out the Arrive-Can forms before departure... just another pain. Cost wise it wouldn't be bad... I can play the farmer card to avoid most of the taxes (more forms to fill out) and make the round trip in less than 2 hrs, but if anything messes up, forget returns. Like Pop, I would just as soon support a local supplier as Walmart and you're still buying with a .76 cent dollar.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
i agree with everything you said. in BC we can't pull the "farmer card" to avoid PST. If it's NOT ON THE LIST of exempt items, you pay the tax. end of story.
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
Yea, that only worked at the border, and lately, not so much...
Reply:This is my list as of right now...Blue DemonLincoln 'bigbox' 7018ACMesser 7018Lincoln ExcaliburMundaka TechnologiesKiswelHarbor FreightBöhlerEsab Atom Arc everything is "in stock", except the Messer rods. I should have those early next week.
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